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 Zarroc1733 wrote:
Couple more terrible rumors. God I hope these are fake.

GMDK up 20 points and purifiers up 2.

Good rumor. Paladins down to 50

Dreadknight Masters needed the price hike, but Purifiers need to go down AND need the extra attack back.

Paladins definitely look more attractive at least

I’m hopeful they’re fake.

There’s also a couple general rumors.

1-3 limit of any non troop unit. Doesn’t affect us as much but it does hurt a couple lists I came up with. Also no souping in matched play. But that sounds wrong so I’m hoping all the rumors are fake.

How will my assassins play a game then if no souping in matched play? They will be unplayable. period.

 Smotejob wrote:
How will my assassins play a game then if no souping in matched play? They will be unplayable. period.

You do pure Auxiliary detachments. Be a man and use like 20 of each Assassin, and bring glory to the Emperor.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Smotejob wrote:
How will my assassins play a game then if no souping in matched play? They will be unplayable. period.

You do pure Auxiliary detachments. Be a man and use like 20 of each Assassin, and bring glory to the Emperor.

And then you hit 3 detachment limit everyone enforces based on the recommendation for Matched Play :(

There's a lot of rumors going around. Many of the contradict each other.

I would not put too much stock into any of them before the FAQ arrives. Who knows when that will be.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Zarroc1733 wrote:
Couple more terrible rumors. God I hope these are fake.

GMDK up 20 points and purifiers up 2.

Good rumor. Paladins down to 50

Dreadknight Masters needed the price hike, but Purifiers need to go down AND need the extra attack back.

Paladins definitely look more attractive at least

Dreadknight masters do not need a price hike. The only reason they outshine the rest of the codex is they are actually comparably priced with units from other armies, unlike the rest of the codex which is overpriced.

They are 4chan rumours so pretty sure they are fake

 GuardStrider wrote:
They are 4chan rumours so pretty sure they are fake

This is the hope

I don't know... I think purifiers should see a price hike. They are far too op. Couple their 1 attack with a worse smite, no teleport strike, and the same equipment as their gkss and you have an amazing unit. Please increase their price.


Honestly, the issue for me is the fact that tac Marines and terminators are to expensive.. and we are loosely based on them.

If you consider points from the SM Codex
Spacemarine + power sword + storm bolter + 1 more point for deep strike = strike squad.

But tac Marines are already considered medicore. In my opinion tac Marines should be 2-3 points cheaper. Then have that reflect with strikes.

IMHO Purifiers needed a points reduction OR a buff to their smite and an additional attack.
If the rumours are true, even with the "buff" to smite range while nerfing damage output, I guess we will never see them again.

If their smite was 6" and stayed the same I'd be good.

Nah I still want the extra attack back. Literally one of the worst decisions by the rules team.

That would be nice. But making their smite 6" and same price warrants a brother captain being taken. And multiple d6 smites jumping out a storm raven can be scary. Would love a reason to take a brother captain.

Basing this only on the livestream info but god, they new deep strike rule will murder GK if they are not exempt.

Edit: Not exempt, rip GK plus no point reductions. The faq itself doesn't hurt GKs much, but the beta rule utterly cripple us beyond belief.

If that isn't enough proof the devs are insane I don't know what is. They literally forgot about an army. Literally.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
If that isn't enough proof the devs are insane I don't know what is. They literally forgot about an army. Literally.

We got to see devs in the live preview, including the person in charge.

Each of them reminded me of someone. I don't want to get banned for sharing my thoughts on this topic. Can you guess who it was?

Man this really sucks for me because my meta always plays with Beta rules

I think what I'll be doing is switching over to a Outrider of GKI. The loss of CP (moving from a Battalion to an Outrider) isn't as bad as it could be since my other Battalion gets a CP bump.

I'll have to lose some upgrades on things in order to make room for the +20pts to each unit, but I'll still be able to "Deep Strike" on T1.

Except for Draigo, he doesn't seem to have a place in my list now which is sad. Anything he wants to buff will be dead by the time he could get to the field.

Wow...

With the DS changes I'm switching full Custodes. I can't even really make an effective GK allied detachment to give me some Deny the Witch anymore.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I think what I'll be doing is switching over to a Outrider of GKI. The loss of CP (moving from a Battalion to an Outrider) isn't as bad as it could be since my other Battalion gets a CP bump.

I'll have to lose some upgrades on things in order to make room for the +20pts to each unit, but I'll still be able to "Deep Strike" on T1.

Except for Draigo, he doesn't seem to have a place in my list now which is sad. Anything he wants to buff will be dead by the time he could get to the field.

I might try to use Draigo in a landraider with a 8 man strike squad which I will gate where needed.

 GuardStrider wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I think what I'll be doing is switching over to a Outrider of GKI. The loss of CP (moving from a Battalion to an Outrider) isn't as bad as it could be since my other Battalion gets a CP bump.

I'll have to lose some upgrades on things in order to make room for the +20pts to each unit, but I'll still be able to "Deep Strike" on T1.

Except for Draigo, he doesn't seem to have a place in my list now which is sad. Anything he wants to buff will be dead by the time he could get to the field.

I might try to use Draigo in a landraider with a 8 man strike squad which I will gate where needed.

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On T2.

With the wording as it is, Gate of Infinity and the Interceptor Shunt both seem to keep you stuck in your deployment zone T1.

@GuardStrider- what makes you think that land raiders are any better now then they were before the FAQ? Also why not consider a bigger raider so that you can take a full strike squad with Draigo?

Audustum wrote:

 GuardStrider wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I think what I'll be doing is switching over to a Outrider of GKI. The loss of CP (moving from a Battalion to an Outrider) isn't as bad as it could be since my other Battalion gets a CP bump.

I'll have to lose some upgrades on things in order to make room for the +20pts to each unit, but I'll still be able to "Deep Strike" on T1.

Except for Draigo, he doesn't seem to have a place in my list now which is sad. Anything he wants to buff will be dead by the time he could get to the field.

I might try to use Draigo in a landraider with a 8 man strike squad which I will gate where needed.

\

On T2.

With the wording as it is, Gate of Infinity and the Interceptor Shunt both seem to keep you stuck in your deployment zone T1.

Well the rule says "any unit that arrives on the battlefield on the players first turn", as I interpreted it it, they are already deployed on the battlefield so they can use those abilities as normal.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
@GuardStrider- what makes you think that land raiders are any better now then they were before the FAQ? Also why not consider a bigger raider so that you can take a full strike squad with Draigo?

They aren't better but it's the only get around I can think of to have a viable Draigo and make use his innate threat and aura on the 1st turn. So I might give this a chance,since Draigo always been fantastic for me this edition and it's not like LR is completely useless itself. Also forgive my ignorance but I thought all Raiders had the same transport size? Edit: Oh I didn't realize that the other LR variants had more space, sadly the only one I own was bought 2nd hand only with the vanilla loadout.

 GuardStrider wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 GuardStrider wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I think what I'll be doing is switching over to a Outrider of GKI. The loss of CP (moving from a Battalion to an Outrider) isn't as bad as it could be since my other Battalion gets a CP bump.

I'll have to lose some upgrades on things in order to make room for the +20pts to each unit, but I'll still be able to "Deep Strike" on T1.

Except for Draigo, he doesn't seem to have a place in my list now which is sad. Anything he wants to buff will be dead by the time he could get to the field.

I might try to use Draigo in a landraider with a 8 man strike squad which I will gate where needed.

\

On T2.

With the wording as it is, Gate of Infinity and the Interceptor Shunt both seem to keep you stuck in your deployment zone T1.

Well the rule says "any unit that arrives on the battlefield on the players first turn", as I interpreted it it, they are already deployed on the battlefield so they can use those abilities as normal.

Right, but then read the text for GoI and Shunt. You take the unit off the battlefield and then it arrives. Thus, it is arriving on the battlefield on the first turn.

If that affected GoI and shunt then it would be obvious GW has no clue what they are doing. That being said GoI without having the rest of your entire army there in support won't be useful. So you'd have to run interceptors which means once again we dont have many command points.

I actually don't hate it as much as many as I would often wait until T2 to to deepstrike, when my opponents have moved and ruined their deployment to prevent placing DS where I want. That being said... It still sucks.

Audustum wrote:

 GuardStrider wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 GuardStrider wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I think what I'll be doing is switching over to a Outrider of GKI. The loss of CP (moving from a Battalion to an Outrider) isn't as bad as it could be since my other Battalion gets a CP bump.

I'll have to lose some upgrades on things in order to make room for the +20pts to each unit, but I'll still be able to "Deep Strike" on T1.

Except for Draigo, he doesn't seem to have a place in my list now which is sad. Anything he wants to buff will be dead by the time he could get to the field.

I might try to use Draigo in a landraider with a 8 man strike squad which I will gate where needed.

\

On T2.

With the wording as it is, Gate of Infinity and the Interceptor Shunt both seem to keep you stuck in your deployment zone T1.

Well the rule says "any unit that arrives on the battlefield on the players first turn", as I interpreted it it, they are already deployed on the battlefield so they can use those abilities as normal.

Right, but then read the text for GoI and Shunt. You take the unit off the battlefield and then it arrives. Thus, it is arriving on the battlefield on the first turn.

Well fu- you are right, I hate this faq even more, I don't know how to play this army anymore

 TheMostWize wrote:
If that affected GoI and shunt then it would be obvious GW has no clue what they are doing. That being said GoI without having the rest of your entire army there in support won't be useful. So you'd have to run interceptors which means once again we dont have many command points.

Strategies that effect units coming on to the board from off board work vs GoI and shunt is just a minor variation of GoI. So, GW counts GoI the same as Deep Striking.


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@GuardStrider - even if you have Draigo in your Land Raider he still can't effect anything until turn 2 since he would be embarked and therefore his aura doesn't come into play. You'd have to wait till the start of turn 2 to get him out of the raider and onto the board.