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Yeah, and according to the guy in top 18 who used Magnus, guess what happened turn 1 every game?

He died.

He said he isn't using him again.

Boy, it's shocking how that's exactly what we've been saying this whole time.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yeah, and according to the guy in top 18 who used Magnus, guess what happened turn 1 every game?

He died.

He said he isn't using him again.

Boy, it's shocking how that's exactly what we've been saying this whole time.

Guess we'll see on the next major tournament. Which is gonna be LVO or what?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yeah, and according to the guy in top 18 who used Magnus, guess what happened turn 1 every game?

He died.

He said he isn't using him again.

Boy, it's shocking how that's exactly what we've been saying this whole time.

with changeling? thats a lot of firepower at a single model if so

I still don't get it. How is it possible to kill him turn one if you're not an idiot that puts him in front. 4++ re-roll 1s with -1 to hit and LoS hidden AND 6+ feelnopain
Did he play against 4 Gauss Pylon lists?

PS: 8th edition is all about LoS terrain. If you don't have enough of it on the table prior rolling to deploy - complain. If they don't give you it - leave, they're stupid and you shouldn't play with them.

I mean, Magnus is taller than most LOS blocking terrain. I can see it being an issue.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
I mean, Magnus is taller than most LOS blocking terrain. I can see it being an issue.

Eh, not really. Since wings don't count (aka the things that make him seem twice as tall), he's about as tall as 2 weapon containers. Or just a 2 story building, or a cliff, or a hill, or a bastion if you use it as terrain like we do. Like I can hide him behind 75% of our terrain since wings don't count. And I can even place him behind terrain far away from the battlefield since he can fly half-way across the map and charge up to 12 more inches

Wings do seem to count this edition. See the "choose targets" step in the shooting phase of the rulebook.

Yeah. My bigger bugs are not enjoying being vaporized from wing and claw tip injuries.

Yeah, now that you mention it, that does seem to be the case as per RAW. However this is really really modeling for advantage. "My magnus got his wings torn off, it's battle damage, now he levitates everywhere" or the guys who use non-basic Daemon Princes saying they have wings. I'd rather just house rule to wings don't count tbh... For me, I want my miniature to have it's wings spread in it's full glory however that is the dumbest thing to do, according to RAW. Hm.. I'll have to ask the Frontline guys that...


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Or how about the guys who build the models themselves. For example, they've built magnus to be the same size but with the wings down. And now in 8th edition that suddenly means they have a huge advantage. Yeah. f that

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
I still don't get it. How is it possible to kill him turn one if you're not an idiot that puts him in front. 4++ re-roll 1s with -1 to hit and LoS hidden AND 6+ feelnopain
Did he play against 4 Gauss Pylon lists?

Man, we are talking about a Top18 facing some of the best players around. If he says Magnus is tabled on Turn 1 100% of the times I will choose to believe that instead calling him an idiot.

What makes me think is... if Magnus got killed on Turn 1 every single time, how the hell did he manage to get that far in the tournament? He has to be a really good player and the rest of his army quite balanced. Does anyone has access to the entire list?

Brigade with supreme command

5 Maelific Lords
Ahriman
Changeling
Magnus
7 brims 1 blue
2 nurglings
3 disciples with missile launcher
1x 5 spawn
2x 8 seekers w/ instrument
3 wyverns

 ochobits wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
I still don't get it. How is it possible to kill him turn one if you're not an idiot that puts him in front. 4++ re-roll 1s with -1 to hit and LoS hidden AND 6+ feelnopain
Did he play against 4 Gauss Pylon lists?

Man, we are talking about a Top18 facing some of the best players around. If he says Magnus is tabled on Turn 1 100% of the times I will choose to believe that instead calling him an idiot.

What makes me think is... if Magnus got killed on Turn 1 every single time, how the hell did he manage to get that far in the tournament? He has to be a really good player and the rest of his army quite balanced. Does anyone has access to the entire list?

I didn't call him an idiot. I called placing your most important unit on the front line when going second most of the time idiotic.

We already covered he can't hide as well as you thought he could.

It's entirely possible the Magnus' player goes first, smites/charges and then he immediately dies the following turn. As to what he's facing, he made a specific comment regarding artillery, especially artillery that doesn't need LOS, just sending volume of fire at Magnus. It doesn't matter how good his save is, if you shoot it 100+ times he's bound to fail a good number of them.

Most of us here with experience have shared that Magnus dies. Someone who used him at one of the largest tournaments so far gave that same opinion.

While it may be difficult to understand the fact that it happens, that burden lies on you at this point. Everyone else seems to nod their head and acknowledge that it's very likely to happen.

Where are you getting all this information about his opinion. Are you a friend or did he post it somewhere?

Maybe he has lists he faced and deployment maps? I'd go full on mathhammer it out to see if it's likelly he'll die turn 1. I'll count every 48'' weapon including units that can get close enough during the movement phase.

I spoke with him directly, yes. Friend? No. We definitely spoke about if after the event, though.

Edit:

There is a "competitive 40k" facebook group. We all chat and discuss a great deal of things there, and a number of these guys all give their feedback after events there. You're welcome to join and do exactly the same. No hidden knowledge or anything.

big monsters aren't a factor in 8th edition. period,

Anyone making good use of scabeithrax? Seems a shame to have him sit on my shelf forever...

Anyone have any suggestions for good/cheap "Counts-as" Brimstone Horrors?

I just got a huge lot of Daemons and can finally start experimenting, but of course, the lot had zero Brimstones, but plenty of Pinks/Blues. I can't even imagine buying 9+ boxes of Blues, just to get a large number of the little-guys.

Skull Pass Night Goblins painted in Tzeentchian colors?

 Eldarain wrote:
Skull Pass Night Goblins painted in Tzeentchian colors?

Hmmm... I do own, about 60 of those... tempting, though I worry tournament organizers would cry fowl. Anything third-party?

Bunch of little gobbo wizards blowing themselves up with Smite sounds awesome

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Anyone have any suggestions for good/cheap "Counts-as" Brimstone Horrors?

I just got a huge lot of Daemons and can finally start experimenting, but of course, the lot had zero Brimstones, but plenty of Pinks/Blues. I can't even imagine buying 9+ boxes of Blues, just to get a large number of the little-guys.

I'm thinking about just making some out of modelling putty. Just put a couple of lumps on a small base, sculpt them into a suitable shape (like little flames or something), paint them yellow, and profit! I've got loads of extra small bases since I've rebased most of my Space Marines onto the 32mm ones, and I think that something simple like Brimstone Horrors might be within my abilities as a sculptor.

Played the following 2500pts list today vs a tyranid army which had two squads of 20 genestealers with broodlord, swarm lord, some three units of gaunts for screening, an exocrine, an hive crone (one with flamer) two 4 man zoanthrope, two mawlocs and a Dimachaeron.

Took the advice and dropped zeraknyl which i didn't regret since it allowed me to take 2 daemon princes and an extra herald on seeker chariot. I also tried a max sized seeker squad since i recall someone mentioned that they are actually quite good, and I wasn't disappointed, much better than the msu squads I ran before.

The huge unit of seekers despite getting reduced to 1 did a really good job at chaffing my opponents army killing 1 unit of 10 gaunts, 1 unit of 20 gaunts (on first turn) then it survived being charged by two units of 20 Genestealers and a broodlord because he killed half with his first 20 and I moved the casualties from near the second unit to deny them from attacking. (praise command point auto pass leadership) They then with the help of a herald chariot and a daemon prince killed 1 unit of the Genestealers they then spent the rest of the game locked into combat with the broodlord (with the last remaining seeker finally killing him on the final turn we played)

One of the 10 girl seeker units managed to multi charge 10 gaunts and sneak around to get the exocrine too preventing it from shooting which was nice, they spent the entire game in combat with the exocrine and a malanthrope who jumped in to help. (no idea why he didn't withdraw the exocrine until the turn before the last)

The two units of daemonettes killed a mawloc each (both of which deep striked next to them killing 3 in both units) they then went on to double team the remaining 20 man genestealer unit slaughtering it, thanks to combination of the herald + daemon prince aura and the masque's +1 to hit buff. 1 of these units then got charged by the swarmlord who regretted his mistake when he died in one round after only killing 3.

The chariots and daemon princes mainly supported the rest of my army providing valuable auras, psychic defense and chip damage with smite, the chariots didn't really accomplish much in combat killing a few genestealers in the first unit I killed, and the daemon princes did pretty much the same except one took down his hive crone. (The mission was the relic which I took since the seekers prevented him from contesting it)

Supreme command (528)
x1 daemon prince (Talons)
x1 Herald of slaanesh on seeker chariot
x1 Herald of slaanesh on seeker chariot
x1 Herald of slaanesh on seeker chariot

Battalion (926)
x1 Masque of slaanesh
x1 daemon prince (Talons)
x30 Daemonettes (Instruments)
x30 Daemonettes (Instruments)
x12 Daemonettes

Outrider (1046)
x1 Herald of slaanesh on seeker chariot
x20 seekers (instruments)
x10 seekers (instruments)
x10 seekers (instruments)
x1 seeker chariot
x1 seeker chariot

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Anyone have any suggestions for good/cheap "Counts-as" Brimstone Horrors?

I just got a huge lot of Daemons and can finally start experimenting, but of course, the lot had zero Brimstones, but plenty of Pinks/Blues. I can't even imagine buying 9+ boxes of Blues, just to get a large number of the little-guys.

Thought about just putting Pinks/Blues on the table and saying "These are all Brimstone Horrors"?

Have you considered making your own brimstone horrors with green stuff ?

I feel like going crazy on brimstones now will just be annoying when the codex drops in a couple on months and they become awful.
(I used ork and goblin heads with little arms , legs and flames sculpted on)

Sokhar wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Anyone have any suggestions for good/cheap "Counts-as" Brimstone Horrors?

I just got a huge lot of Daemons and can finally start experimenting, but of course, the lot had zero Brimstones, but plenty of Pinks/Blues. I can't even imagine buying 9+ boxes of Blues, just to get a large number of the little-guys.

Thought about just putting Pinks/Blues on the table and saying "These are all Brimstone Horrors"?

I would love to, but I play in a LOT of ITC events, and while they're generous abouts "counts-as" (if I were to bring in a cool 3rd party model, etc...) they really frown on outright calling one GW model a different one.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Skull Pass Night Goblins painted in Tzeentchian colors?

Hmmm... I do own, about 60 of those... tempting, though I worry tournament organizers would cry fowl. Anything third-party?

This should help: https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=696

I could see a FAQ coming down restricting Brimstones to splitting only. With the flyer ruling they've shown they can get creative to curb abuse.

Have my list finalized for my RTT on Saturday.

Changeling, 9 Lords, 3 Disc Heralds, 3 Giant Spawn, 3x 1 blue 19 brimstones, 1x 1 Blue 17 Brimstones, 8 Exalted Flamers.

365pts for Summoning.

Depending on the opponent, it'll either be 2 Foot Herald's +20-30 Horrors, 50+ Horrors, Flamers/Exalted Flamers, etc.

Feeling good about the overall make up, and with 9 Malefic Lords as well as 3 Discs, I'll be able to cover ground with all sorts of smites.