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Competitive 40kFB Group. On the FLG Stream tonight they were asked if they'd comment, and they said no, then someone on stream made a comment saying "word on the street is that they're not a faction anymore".
Nice nice, that's what I was gonna use but get is out of stock :(
I'm pretty happy with my replacement though, using the Maggoth Lord mount from morbidex twiceborn(burgle rotbringers AoS) and it's been great. Just don't out saddle or rider on and it's super easy, bitz even allow for variation between same models.
Wow some people are really dumb on that group.
"It's fine daemons will have <faction> in the codex" when the whole fn point of the change is that so you DON'T have to wait for the damn codex...
The reason is that there are many units that have Khorne as a keyword, and deeper keywords -- like World Eaters.
I just have the german books, but they make a clear difference in the rules between Faction and Keyword, eg a CSM Daemon Prince has the Daemon Keyword but not the Daemon Faction.
I can see why Khorne-Daemon faction does not count like Legion/Chapter/Regiment because it is fixed and you cannot freely chose a sub-faction (which is the only difference between all the other factions, that there is no "your own generic sub-faction" ) but it is just stupid of killing the big advantage of 8th after 3 months by saying "you need to wait for your codex"
Edit: for something different
Now still searching for a list I will use for gaming/tournaments until the game is "stable" (say at least another year).
I am not a friend of spam (no 8 daemon princes + 100 Horrors) or Magnus (I hate to carry those big models around) and have enough stuff around for everything but Nurgle.
so main focus would be on Tzeentch/Khorne, with the stuff that is already painted: 2-3 Tzeentch Princes, 1-2 Khorne Princes, 2x10 Pink Horrors, 4x5 Hounds, 2 Heralds on Juggernaut.
Would need another unit of Horrors, some Heralds in Disc and Flamers, not sure if I should stick with the Hounds (would need to rebase them) and the Juggernaut and I was thinking about taking Khorne Furies.
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Cephalobeard wrote: Push GW for clarification tomorrow, because currently ITC and NOVA are saying we don't exist.
And that's the big problem.
I don't give a poop about what games are like in the FLGS. Games with the 'Friday Night Leagers' are beer and pretzel games. We can play with whatever rules we want to use.
It matters when I attend events like NOVA, BFS, or LVO. I'm paying for hotel visits, plane tickets, etc. That gets really expensive and having your army nurfed sucks.
In some cases, like for NOVA, there simply is not enough time to build another army.
My hope is that when the codex is released, instead of getting obSec, daemons get the 'corruption' rule that incursions had in 7th. It was a great rule that was slightly different than obSec -- weaker in some ways and more powerful in others.
Perhaps daemons are getting roled into another codex ?
So we should wait to see if all the nurgle daemons are in the deathguard codex, if that is the case I could see tzeentch daemons in the Thousands Sons codex. As for Slaanesh and Khorne perhaps GW has an alternate army idea for those that isn't a chaos space marine sub faction.
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30 pages is a lot to sort through so I apologize if this has already been asked.
I have some buddies who play AoS but I exclusively play 40k. If I were to start a small Daemons army so I could play with my AoS buddies and well as still use them in 40k, are they still a viable army in 40k on their own in 8th edition? I don't have a 40k Chaos army to add them to, can Daemons compete on their own in 8th or are they mainly just CSM support units?
When I say compete I don't mean at a tournament level or anything.
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rvd1ofakind wrote: Sadly, hounds are really bad. 20pts per T4 5++ model? Only 1 ap? Why not just take 3 bloodletters (21pts) for more than 3x damage and more survivable
Also can anyone prove or disprove that you can re-roll seize and the new roll-off
rvd1ofakind wrote: Sadly, hounds are really bad. 20pts per T4 5++ model? Only 1 ap? Why not just take 3 bloodletters (21pts) for more than 3x damage and more survivable
So Furies are the only interesting fast attack choice for Khorne/Tzeentch?
And if I think about it, I somehow like the idea of using Tzeetnch Furies to guard a Herald on Disc or Daemon Prince with wings for more mobility
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
rvd1ofakind wrote: Sadly, hounds are really bad. 20pts per T4 5++ model? Only 1 ap? Why not just take 3 bloodletters (21pts) for more than 3x damage and more survivable
So Furies are the only interesting fast attack choice for Khorne/Tzeentch?
And if I think about it, I somehow like the idea of using Tzeetnch Furies to guard a Herald on Disc or Daemon Prince with wings for more mobility
Depends on what you want
for blocking+smite they are still worth the points
but a 5+5 or 3+7 layout is also valid and maybe better if you keep points back for splitting the Blues
I don't see Pink being an option unless you go full offensive with them and want to use their shooting attack.
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Cephalobeard wrote: I started using 1 Blue 19 Brim, 3 Squads of them. It works great. Feels like just the right number, too.
I noticed that in your list and will probably be adding that to mine. I also like as the other poster above mentioned furies as a screen for DP and Heralds. They'll be quick enough to keep up and even take the overwatch for the DP.
Good news for daemon players; there will be an exhaustive list of what does and does not get ObSec, and it sounds like Daemon detachments (so Chaos Undivided will be supported) are going to be included in that list.
i find it really annoying that Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and slaanesh are fake keywords sorry you're playing chaos soap because you're playing a mixed mono god army (even though Khorne actually had a codex for that last edition)
Yet Imperium armies like adeptus mechanicus can mix there sub factions, i understand it is fluffy and makes sense as they are the same faction.
But isn't a mixed horde of daemons and mortal followers who worship/serve the same god ?
Also the loss of cult troops is incredibly frustrating since no other available troop option fulfills the same role as noise marines.
Sure I can just take elite detachments but not only do I lose 2cp i also lose objective secured.
What I'd really like is:
1. CSM Codex
2. Chaos Daemons (only daemons)
3. Thousand sons: Tzeentch and CSM 4. World Eaters: Khorne and CSM 5. Death Guard: Nurgle and CSM 6. Emperer's children: Slaanesh and CSM
So if you take all deamons you get stong random BS chaotic powers and if you take 3-6 you'd get a mix of random BS chaos and CSM
