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 Tactical_Spam wrote:

A one-century-old Space Marine is hardly an Ancient.

Well, most Space Marines are probably 20 to 40-years old, so that's pretty ancient to them.

(Figuring that they join the chapter around age 13, Scout around until age 20 to 25, then become battle brothers and suffer a high rate of attrition.)

Are the rules for that new hover rhino and the dread in the Imperial 1 book already? We're already out of that one so I can't check myself.

 AduroT wrote:
Are the rules for that new hover rhino and the dread in the Imperial 1 book already? We're already out of that one so I can't check myself.

no. Only current models.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Are the rules for that new hover rhino and the dread in the Imperial 1 book already? We're already out of that one so I can't check myself.

no. Only current models.

So if the only Marines I care about playing are the new Primaris Marines then I don't care about the Index?

Correct. There will be a proper Primaris codex (most likely) in the near future.

The Index does include rules for the guys in the box.

 Elbows wrote:
Correct. There will be a proper Primaris codex (most likely) in the near future.

There has been no indication that Primaris Marines will be in a separate codex from the rest of the Space Marines.

Hmmm, may need to get the Index anyways just to have the various vehicle rules...

I love the look and size of that Redemptor Dread. They've basically (finally) unshackled the design and size from the old limitations of the metal model circa '93-94. The previous/current "Angry Washing Machines" are all just plastic versions of those old metals that lack things like knees, only with more and more bling glued to them. As much as I love the older design, this is a step in the right direction.

The vehicle situation with the Primaris seems odd IMO. With the exception of the transports, they interact with every other SM unit as if they were regular Marines. If GW wanted to keep them separate why do the officer buffs affect both types? And if they wanted to combine them, then why cant the LR and Stormtalon carry Primaris when Terminators and Centurions are ok? Do they really think the Repulsor wont sell if they can use other transports?

Oh, can Primaris not ride in Rhinos or Razorbacks or any other of the current Transports?

Nope, none of the current SM transports can carry models that have the Primaris keyword.

Oh my god, even the Rhino Primaris is denied the ability to transport Primaris. What kind of crazy is that?

 AduroT wrote:
Oh my god, even the Rhino Primaris is denied the ability to transport Primaris. What kind of crazy is that?

Because the Rhino primaris has nothing to do with the Primaris Space Marines

To be fair to GW while a regular SM might have to duck down a bit to use a Rhino side hatch, a Primaris marine would have to nearly bend over double to get in and out of a Rhinos rear ramp never mind the side doors. But the LR and Stormtalon situation is just daft.

 AduroT wrote:
Oh my god, even the Rhino Primaris is denied the ability to transport Primaris. What kind of crazy is that?

The Rhino Primaris (along with the Land Raider Excelsior) are Warhammer World exclusives which date back to early 2015.

Fluff wise I would imagine that the seats in rhinos or land raiders are designed to lock in and interface with regular and terminator armor, abd not designed for Primaris armor.

Regardless, the goal is to build a separation between the armies. It's the only way they'll be able to "encourage" people to move to the new marine standard.

I'm curious if some of the marine equivalents (I.e. Apothecary) will retain the same name or get a new designation (i.e. Standard bearer-> ancient) as they appear in the Primaris army list.

 Accolade wrote:
Regardless, the goal is to build a separation between the armies. It's the only way they'll be able to "encourage" people to move to the new marine standard.

I'm curious if some of the marine equivalents (I.e. Apothecary) will retain the same name or get a new designation (i.e. Standard bearer-> ancient) as they appear in the Primaris army list.

'Ancient' isn't a new designation. The Ultramarines Chapter Banner bearer, Ancient Helveticus dates back to 2002.

I was referring more to the general term for the unit in the list rather than individual heroic characters. Obviously ancient is a term beyond GW, but they've been "diversifying" their unit naming, so I'm curious if other units may receive updates.

Definitely not feeling the Repulsor. I have no problem with the body shape and design, and the fact it hovers is OK - so does the land speeder, after all. So the idea they finally figured out how to make more hovering stuff is cool.

I think the Repulsor is just too heavily armed. It looks like a toy. There are 5 weapon systems on the turret alone, plus a hull mounted weapon and what i guess are frag grenades over the doors. If it's also going to be delivering troops on par with the Land Raider - just kind of ridiculous.

 Accolade wrote:
I was referring more to the general term for the unit in the list rather than individual heroic characters. Obviously ancient is a term beyond GW, but they've been "diversifying" their unit naming, so I'm curious if other units may receive updates.

'Ancient' is a general term in the fluff. After Ancient Helveticus was killed in the Battle of Macragge, he was succeeded by Ancient Galatan.

Not interested in the tank, but the dreadnought looks great. I'll get 2, and run them next to my Leviathan.

Looks like another month at least before Death Guard then.

Just be glad they didn't decide to call them Ancientors.

 Accolade wrote:
Regardless, the goal is to build a separation between the armies. It's the only way they'll be able to "encourage" people to move to the new marine standard.

I'm curious if some of the marine equivalents (I.e. Apothecary) will retain the same name or get a new designation (i.e. Standard bearer-> ancient) as they appear in the Primaris army list.

I think its likely we will se primaris equivalients of established command persona, just with a slight bias and a new name that evoke no sense of recognision or explanation (like chaplain = Capellan Nominator).

It was hinted that there will be some new chapters made entierly of primaris, so I suppose primaris will be part of regular SM and at the same time be separate.

I suspect the Primaris will be at the beginning of July, then the Death Guard at the end of July around the same time as the Campaign starts rolling out.

Since Primaris Marines are mostly part of already existant Space Marine Chapters, I imagine they will be part of the
Marine Codex... for now.

 Rippy wrote:
Looks like another month at least before Death Guard then.

With the upcoming campaign

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/723322.page

and going by the leaked info sent to LFGS and GW stores (at the center and bottom of that thread) it will be interesting to see how releases will be handled. I guess after more SM kits in July WD, there may be DG in the August issue, so they could still take part in Fate of Konor, some smaller AoS releases in between and a major Nurgle Daemons AoS/40k release afterwards, probably in September

Campaign – between 27th July and the 10th September

After reading Hastings rumors again I would not be surprised to see lots of Primaris kits in the next two months. It will be interesting to see if they handle SM and DG like Kharadron Overlords and show everything in advance so when those Codizes drop we will already know all units via WarCom articles and WarhammerTV presentations.

While I do not think new kits will be directly connected to the ongoing campaign, the additional attention created by Fate of Konor and how it will draw people to shops could be helpful as a marketing tool for both factions. Especially for new players who came to 40k with the starter set and want to expand those forces. The campaign is also a quite good way to bring new and current players together and build up local communities.

@Chikout Thanks for the info from the 24h show

Just my own ideas, I wonder if any one thought if it be possible to upgrade existing characters to primaris marines, eg special characters pay 'x' points and add 'x' to stats, to reflect the existing named characters upgrading to primaris marines.

The redemptor dread looks a bit more nimble in comparison to the leviathan dread too, I'd like to think it will have an increased movement stat compared to the leviathan, but it also looks taller, so different wounds or toughness maybe? I haven't seen the leviathan stat line so I don't know which way one would assume it could pan out.

I'm gonna take a guess as to what thew Primaris Release will be.

1: clampacks of various special characters (we could also see a 3 pack of 1 gravatis captain and 2 Leuitenants)
2:3 kits consisting of duel Intercessor/Hellblast squad kit, duel Inceptor/Agressor squad kit, Reiver kit. (possiably a duel kit with something else, maybe a sniper style unit given the stealth armor?)
3: a dreadnought and repulsor tank kit.

we may also get chaplain and librarian Primaris minis.