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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What I think is interesting about the new 10-man Primaris Marine kits is that they're not.

They're 5-man kits doubled up.

Had these come out two years ago they'd be in boxes of five, but the complaints over the price and number of Sigmarines you got in a box likely made them change.

They really were going to AoS 40K with giant overpriced nuMarines.

So wait...are you arguing that they should have been 5 man squads? Because that's silly, 12$ per model is SoB prices! Why would you want that?

ERJAK wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What I think is interesting about the new 10-man Primaris Marine kits is that they're not.

They're 5-man kits doubled up.

Had these come out two years ago they'd be in boxes of five, but the complaints over the price and number of Sigmarines you got in a box likely made them change.

They really were going to AoS 40K with giant overpriced nuMarines.

So wait...are you arguing that they should have been 5 man squads? Because that's silly, 12$ per model is SoB prices! Why would you want that?

No, he's saying GW planned to released them as five-man boxes. That's why each box contains duplicate sprues rather than whole 10-man sprues.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Bradles wrote:
Well Im sad to see 40k (Primaris) go down the gurgler :( Sorry but the fun part for me was the converting and they have made it bloody ridiculous . Just checked the new Intercessor "Multi Part kit" sprue on GW site and they are still going for the Easy to build theme :(.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines-Primaris-Intercessors

I don't think that's very fair. They have fixed body poses when assembled per the instructions, yes, but having spent a fair whack of time and several chunks of finger converting the Dark Imperium models into truescale Deathwatch these aren't remotely comparable.

Got pics? I'd be interested in seeing them in their own thread.

Intercessors only have 5 fixes poses isn't very surprising. That's exactly how the Reivers are.

 Kirasu wrote:
Intercessors only have 5 fixes poses isn't very surprising. That's exactly how the Reivers are.

Yes, and having built some Reivers, I have to say it works just fine. With different arm and head positions the models do not look samey, and if you still feel you need more options, cutting them from the waist (or any joint, really) and slightly adjusting the pose is super easy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What I think is interesting about the new 10-man Primaris Marine kits is that they're not.

They're 5-man kits doubled up.

Had these come out two years ago they'd be in boxes of five, but the complaints over the price and number of Sigmarines you got in a box likely made them change.

They really were going to AoS 40K with giant overpriced nuMarines.

I had that thought as well. The most recent Stormcast kit the Vanguard Hunters are laid out in the same way, with sprues designed for a five man set but released as a ten man box. Makes me wonder how long its been since the designs and sprue layouts for the current Primaris kits were finalised, and if the apparent policy change came in time to affect future releases.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What I think is interesting about the new 10-man Primaris Marine kits is that they're not.

They're 5-man kits doubled up.

Had these come out two years ago they'd be in boxes of five, but the complaints over the price and number of Sigmarines you got in a box likely made them change.

They really were going to AoS 40K with giant overpriced nuMarines.

I had that thought as well. The most recent Stormcast kit the Vanguard Hunters are laid out in the same way, with sprues designed for a five man set but released as a ten man box. Makes me wonder how long its been since the designs and sprue layouts for the current Primaris kits were finalised, and if the apparent policy change came in time to affect future releases.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they were originally intended to be sold as 5-man kits (though that's of course possible.) I'm sure it is easier and cheaper to produce just two different kind of sprues for the kit than four different kinds.

Why would you even build the Intercessors as 10 dude squads anyway? Literally no point.

So that's basically two squads for an okay price. If you like the models, that's definitely a win.

 Crimson wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What I think is interesting about the new 10-man Primaris Marine kits is that they're not.

They're 5-man kits doubled up.

Had these come out two years ago they'd be in boxes of five, but the complaints over the price and number of Sigmarines you got in a box likely made them change.

They really were going to AoS 40K with giant overpriced nuMarines.

I had that thought as well. The most recent Stormcast kit the Vanguard Hunters are laid out in the same way, with sprues designed for a five man set but released as a ten man box. Makes me wonder how long its been since the designs and sprue layouts for the current Primaris kits were finalised, and if the apparent policy change came in time to affect future releases.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they were originally intended to be sold as 5-man kits (though that's of course possible.) I'm sure it is easier and cheaper to produce just two different kind of sprues for the kit than four different kinds.

Very much so. Its also not uncommon for GW kits. The tzaangors were the same way, as were other kits going back years.

Voss wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What I think is interesting about the new 10-man Primaris Marine kits is that they're not.

They're 5-man kits doubled up.

Had these come out two years ago they'd be in boxes of five, but the complaints over the price and number of Sigmarines you got in a box likely made them change.

They really were going to AoS 40K with giant overpriced nuMarines.

I had that thought as well. The most recent Stormcast kit the Vanguard Hunters are laid out in the same way, with sprues designed for a five man set but released as a ten man box. Makes me wonder how long its been since the designs and sprue layouts for the current Primaris kits were finalised, and if the apparent policy change came in time to affect future releases.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they were originally intended to be sold as 5-man kits (though that's of course possible.) I'm sure it is easier and cheaper to produce just two different kind of sprues for the kit than four different kinds.

Very much so. Its also not uncommon for GW kits. The tzaangors were the same way, as were other kits going back years.

Dire Avengers were like that. Which made it very easy for GW to keep almost the same price and trim the box down to a 5 man squad. But they were originally boxed and sold as duplicate 5-man sprues.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Why would you even build the Intercessors as 10 dude squads anyway? Literally no point.

So that's basically two squads for an okay price. If you like the models, that's definitely a win.

I'm building/painting mine as full ten man squads, but I point them up as two five mans.

Space Wolf Packs were that way and they came out years ago. It is just much more efficient money wise to do it this way. As long as there are plenty of ways to differentiate the models that are the same across the two sprues, I don't have a problem with it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Space Wolf Packs were that way and they came out years ago. It is just much more efficient money wise to do it this way. As long as there are plenty of ways to differentiate the models that are the same across the two sprues, I don't have a problem with it.

But those were completely modular.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Space Wolf Packs were that way and they came out years ago. It is just much more efficient money wise to do it this way. As long as there are plenty of ways to differentiate the models that are the same across the two sprues, I don't have a problem with it.

But those were completely modular.

So...because the torso is attached to the legs, but the arms and heads are not, the Intercessors are not modular?

 warboss wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Bradles wrote:
Well Im sad to see 40k (Primaris) go down the gurgler :( Sorry but the fun part for me was the converting and they have made it bloody ridiculous . Just checked the new Intercessor "Multi Part kit" sprue on GW site and they are still going for the Easy to build theme :(.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines-Primaris-Intercessors

I don't think that's very fair. They have fixed body poses when assembled per the instructions, yes, but having spent a fair whack of time and several chunks of finger converting the Dark Imperium models into truescale Deathwatch these aren't remotely comparable.

Got pics? I'd be interested in seeing them in their own thread.

I'm not a big fan of posting WiP stuff because it's rare my first(or fifth, often) attempt at something is how it comes out in the end, but I'm nearly done the first two or three so they'll be up on my blog soonish.

Sorry someone asked me for more pics. I tried Saving them and was going to upload them through here, but it only saves the link.

So just got to GW site )your own country and type Intercessor's in and you will see it and the sprues.

Regards, Brad.

the "two sprues of 5" I could certainly see there being some advantages to, easier to produce.

from a marketing POV I could also see it being useful. let's say for example that a year from now GW market research detirmines that the basic cost of the primaris infantry kits are a bit too high. the could then release a 40 dollar 5 man primaris kit, and sudden;y be perceived as a lot more accessable to younger collectors. (even if it means the models per dollar ratio is higher)

BrianDavion wrote:
the "two sprues of 5" I could certainly see there being some advantages to, easier to produce.

from a marketing POV I could also see it being useful. let's say for example that a year from now GW market research detirmines that the basic cost of the primaris infantry kits are a bit too high. the could then release a 40 dollar 5 man primaris kit, and sudden;y be perceived as a lot more accessable to younger collectors. (even if it means the models per dollar ratio is higher)

I guess sort of like when plastic cadians went from 20 man boxes to 10 man.

 Lockark wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the "two sprues of 5" I could certainly see there being some advantages to, easier to produce.

from a marketing POV I could also see it being useful. let's say for example that a year from now GW market research detirmines that the basic cost of the primaris infantry kits are a bit too high. the could then release a 40 dollar 5 man primaris kit, and sudden;y be perceived as a lot more accessable to younger collectors. (even if it means the models per dollar ratio is higher)

I guess sort of like when plastic cadians went from 20 man boxes to 10 man.

could be, how much was a 20 man box vs the new 10 man box?

'Bout the same.

Same thing happened to Dire Avengers.

Neither of these things were good.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the "two sprues of 5" I could certainly see there being some advantages to, easier to produce.

from a marketing POV I could also see it being useful. let's say for example that a year from now GW market research detirmines that the basic cost of the primaris infantry kits are a bit too high. the could then release a 40 dollar 5 man primaris kit, and sudden;y be perceived as a lot more accessable to younger collectors. (even if it means the models per dollar ratio is higher)

I guess sort of like when plastic cadians went from 20 man boxes to 10 man.

could be, how much was a 20 man box vs the new 10 man box?

Erm.... It's been a hot minute since I had to think about that one. But in cad prices I *THINK* the 20 manbox was like $50, then it was repacked into 10 for $35

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
'Bout the same.

Same thing happened to Dire Avengers.

Neither of these things were good.

mental note, buy needed Primaris Marines now

A 5 man sprue is also easier to stick into a start collecting box. Although with all the EZ-build primaris stuff out there, not sure if we’ll see one.

 Lockark wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the "two sprues of 5" I could certainly see there being some advantages to, easier to produce.

from a marketing POV I could also see it being useful. let's say for example that a year from now GW market research detirmines that the basic cost of the primaris infantry kits are a bit too high. the could then release a 40 dollar 5 man primaris kit, and sudden;y be perceived as a lot more accessable to younger collectors. (even if it means the models per dollar ratio is higher)

I guess sort of like when plastic cadians went from 20 man boxes to 10 man.

could be, how much was a 20 man box vs the new 10 man box?

Erm.... It's been a hot minute since I had to think about that one. But in cad prices I *THINK* the 20 manbox was like $50, then it was repacked into 10 for $35

The 10 man box is $29 USD.

The 20 man box was $30 I want to say. I'll have to find the White Dwarf where they first got introduced, but they really did just get Dire Avengered.


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 Nevelon wrote:
A 5 man sprue is also easier to stick into a start collecting box. Although with all the EZ-build primaris stuff out there, not sure if we’ll see one.

I think it's more likely than not we'll see one, but it will be packaged with some non-Primaris stuff as well most likely.

If Primaris had been their own book? Different story. We'll see though, since the Start Collectings are getting repackaged at the moment to remove the Formations as to whether or not they also take the opportunity to alter them.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Intercessors only have 5 fixes poses isn't very surprising. That's exactly how the Reivers are.

Yes, and having built some Reivers, I have to say it works just fine. With different arm and head positions the models do not look samey, and if you still feel you need more options, cutting them from the waist (or any joint, really) and slightly adjusting the pose is super easy.

I beg to differ, I have seen multiple units of these things and they might as well be snap fit when there are enough of them. Theres almost nothing distinguishable about them throughout the unit. Whats worse is theres not really anything in their actual kit to make much of a difference.

I have to say these kits aside from the Aggressors and Inceptors are really lame at their price point. I give the former a pass sicne they seem to have more pose-ability and thus character. In regard to the Intercessors and Reivers though, it's like paying FU money for black reach guys upscaled, you have no real way to change their poses outside chopping the crap out of them and filling them back in, which normally I don't mind, but these guys just have that bland filler line troop look after all that work so why bother? Personally I'd go for ebaying the starter minis for cheaper. Not like you need more then the minimum anyways since they suck in game currently.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Space Wolf Packs were that way and they came out years ago. It is just much more efficient money wise to do it this way. As long as there are plenty of ways to differentiate the models that are the same across the two sprues, I don't have a problem with it.

But those were completely modular.

So...because the torso is attached to the legs, but the arms and heads are not, the Intercessors are not modular?

I think you may want to reread what he said more carefully, he said completely.

Aggressors have Zero pose-ability.

 AduroT wrote:
Aggressors have Zero pose-ability.

Well then that sucks even more doesn't it? But at least they have options for a few weapons beyond cables or no cables.

Isnt the only difference between these and old marines that you the torso isn't separate from the legs? Can't see that making much of a difference. You lose the ability to twist them slightly to the left or right which is noticeable, but not massively so.

Yeah, the old marines pose-ability was the twist of the waist and neck, or a slight up or down angle to the bolter. Anything else was done with a knife.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Intercessors only have 5 fixes poses isn't very surprising. That's exactly how the Reivers are.

Yes, and having built some Reivers, I have to say it works just fine. With different arm and head positions the models do not look samey, and if you still feel you need more options, cutting them from the waist (or any joint, really) and slightly adjusting the pose is super easy.

I beg to differ, I have seen multiple units of these things and they might as well be snap fit when there are enough of them. Theres almost nothing distinguishable about them throughout the unit. Whats worse is theres not really anything in their actual kit to make much of a difference.

I have to say these kits aside from the Aggressors and Inceptors are really lame at their price point. I give the former a pass sicne they seem to have more pose-ability and thus character. In regard to the Intercessors and Reivers though, it's like paying FU money for black reach guys upscaled, you have no real way to change their poses outside chopping the crap out of them and filling them back in, which normally I don't mind, but these guys just have that bland filler line troop look after all that work so why bother? Personally I'd go for ebaying the starter minis for cheaper. Not like you need more then the minimum anyways since they suck in game currently.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Space Wolf Packs were that way and they came out years ago. It is just much more efficient money wise to do it this way. As long as there are plenty of ways to differentiate the models that are the same across the two sprues, I don't have a problem with it.

But those were completely modular.

So...because the torso is attached to the legs, but the arms and heads are not, the Intercessors are not modular?

I think you may want to reread what he said more carefully, he said completely.

Yeah, I don't see it frankly. People lionise the old style of plastic Marines for their variability, but the simple truth is most of that variability is not pose, it's selection of bits. The reality when you're actually sitting down and building, say, 10 guys with bolters is that there's only a certain range of motion that works; the classic multipart style theoretically has more "angles" available to the torso sure, but the reality is the torso will be straight-on, canted a bit left, or canted a bit right. If you get too extreme with your choice of angles for the torso and arm joints, it just looks daft, and if you built an army out of just Tactical Marines straight from the box with poses that make sense for their loadouts it wouldn't look any more varied than an army of Primaris all built from the box.

The flaw with Primaris isn't that they have a series of "fixed" poses for the torso & legs, it's that they don't yet have enough variation in bits to adequately differentiate those standard poses(which, again, are functionally pretty much the same as the ones you'd "build" from the old kits, at least assuming you weren't depicting Marines from the Broken Spines chapter) without conversions.