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That terrible flying pose makes the poise from DI look good.

While I like the model over all, horrible legs. And the enclosed helmet...is dumb and impractical. Why would they ever need a helmet with just a slit in it. they have advanced optics in their normal helmet for a reason

str00dles1 wrote:
That terrible flying pose makes the poise from DI look good.

While I like the model over all, horrible legs. And the enclosed helmet...is dumb and impractical. Why would they ever need a helmet with just a slit in it. they have advanced optics in their normal helmet for a reason

To be fair, they justify the ridiculous helmet in the ridiculous unit fluff - they're additional shielding from when they drop from orbit or some guff like that, I assume the idea with modelling them closed in combat is the Marines figured out orbital reentry shielding might help out when overcharging plasma?

 Yodhrin wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
That terrible flying pose makes the poise from DI look good.

While I like the model over all, horrible legs. And the enclosed helmet...is dumb and impractical. Why would they ever need a helmet with just a slit in it. they have advanced optics in their normal helmet for a reason

To be fair, they justify the ridiculous helmet in the ridiculous unit fluff - they're additional shielding from when they drop from orbit or some guff like that, I assume the idea with modelling them closed in combat is the Marines figured out orbital reentry shielding might help out when overcharging plasma?

I actually like the idea as backed up in the fluff. Makes sense to have that extra shielding if you were going through re-entry. Originally I thought they may be a different unit made from the same kit and had welding masks on and might have been immune to get hot or something like that.

Strongly disagree, but then I'm a wierdo who actually liked Drop Pods and would rather see the new models able to use those than have them come up with Marines that are also somehow their own Drop Pods.

I can't beliver we'll not eventually get some sort of Primaris Drop pod option. the drop pod is too iconic not to

The re-entry helm is fine until you remember that everything else, including the guns and armour joints would still be exposed Why not just say they use a disposable shield during re-entry instead?

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The re-entry helm is fine until you remember that everything else, including the guns and armour joints would still be exposed Why not just say they use a disposable shield during re-entry instead?

I guess they dive in face first

yeah not excited about those helmets but no issues just not using them.

They might use some sort body shroud like the one used by Scions to jump from outer space and onto a planet.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The re-entry helm is fine until you remember that everything else, including the guns and armour joints would still be exposed Why not just say they use a disposable shield during re-entry instead?

Per dark Imperium they do.

While the normal helmet might be able to cope with re-entry (with their disposable shield) it's fairly plausible that the sensors in it might just get burned out by the prolonged heat/light generated from (near) freefall through atmosphere

so an extra 'welding mask' style shield to cover the helmet may well be a smart move

Bloodmaster wrote:

WE definitely need more of those! And both the Flyer and Vanguard helmets aren't yet released - interesting.

The DI(and probably the regular retail versions, too) Inceptors have the Flight helmet. You can't see it in pictures thanks to the neck bit, but if you have them in hand, you can clearly see the "bit" and extra cables on the helmet's chin by peeking down inside.

I just want to know when we're going to get our Primaris Jet Bikes and deodorant hover tanks.

Wait, hold on, something's just occurred to me - how do Primaris deploy?

I mean, these Overlord things I've heard people discussing are, like, Manta-HUEG superheavy fliers, so what do they do when those aren't available or aren't suitable for the mission profile - they can't use Drop Pods, Chibihawks, or the FW fliers IIRC, so what, they just walk down from orbit?

See, this is the sort of derp that happens when you write the fiction exclusively to maximise sales of the models, rather than writing good fiction that makes people want to buy models of the things features in it.

There does seem to be an issue with intecessor and hellblaster deployment, doesn't there? The inceptors can orbital drop and reivers can grav chute in, but relatively large landers (bigger than thunderhawks) seem to be the only way to get intercessors and hellblasters anywhere. I suppose they could orbital drop repulsors with a squad in each?

 frozenwastes wrote:
There does seem to be an issue with intecessor and hellblaster deployment, doesn't there? The inceptors can orbital drop and reivers can grav chute in, but relatively large landers (bigger than thunderhawks) seem to be the only way to get intercessors and hellblasters anywhere. I suppose they could orbital drop repulsors with a squad in each?

Maybe the Thunderhawk will get to transport a repulsor and some dudes.

maybe some new version that will be in plastic.

come on plastic thunder hawk.

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The re-entry helm is fine until you remember that everything else, including the guns and armour joints would still be exposed Why not just say they use a disposable shield during re-entry instead?

Per dark Imperium they do.

Really? I'll have to re read the drop attack part.

Yodhrin wrote:Wait, hold on, something's just occurred to me - how do Primaris deploy?

I mean, these Overlord things I've heard people discussing are, like, Manta-HUEG superheavy fliers, so what do they do when those aren't available or aren't suitable for the mission profile - they can't use Drop Pods, Chibihawks, or the FW fliers IIRC, so what, they just walk down from orbit?

See, this is the sort of derp that happens when you write the fiction exclusively to maximise sales of the models, rather than writing good fiction that makes people want to buy models of the things features in it.

I'd assume that just like every other army they have a fleet of non combat transports that they don't take into battle. Once there though the only option for most Primaris is the Repulsor or walking. For now at least

Edit- the DI novel does feature a pair of Repulsor's dropping into a combat zone. No mention of what they dropped from though IIRC.

I like the idea of one of those demi-company void ships mentioned in Dark Imperium orbitally inserting 5 repulsors with intercessors and hellblasters inside.

Though drop pods are cooler. By at least 20%.

 Geifer wrote:

Bull0 wrote:
I still have 6 snap fit Inceptors to make so I'm eager to see sprue pics for the multipart ones, the bolters with cutouts on the intercessors were a bit of a letdown - was hoping there'd be a few spares in there. Assuming inceptor weapons are going to be much the same with no leftover guns to share around, but it would be great to be wrong on that

I wouldn't expect any overlap in bolt weapon and plasma weapon design. At least it doesn't look like it to me.

ROGUE TRADER LOVE!

The Repulsor looks a lot nicer with a single large cannon

 Bonegrinder wrote:

Spoiler:

The Repulsor looks a lot nicer with a single large cannon

For what it matters, mine I built last night that I left a lot of the excess off the turrets and sides;

That looks great with the clean hull. All the junk hanging off it in the promo pictures really clutters it and makes it look overdone.

Nice. Looks much better without all the crap piled on top.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Spoiler:

 Geifer wrote:

Bull0 wrote:
I still have 6 snap fit Inceptors to make so I'm eager to see sprue pics for the multipart ones, the bolters with cutouts on the intercessors were a bit of a letdown - was hoping there'd be a few spares in there. Assuming inceptor weapons are going to be much the same with no leftover guns to share around, but it would be great to be wrong on that

I wouldn't expect any overlap in bolt weapon and plasma weapon design. At least it doesn't look like it to me.

ROGUE TRADER LOVE!

They didn't quite get the knee positions right. Maybe the new guys relieved themselves before the drop. Bad callback! So unfluffy!

 AduroT wrote:

For what it matters, mine I built last night that I left a lot of the excess off the turrets and sides;

Spoiler:

OK, as I suspected, uncluttering the turret is a massive improvement (though I kinda like the stowage on the hull, so I'll probably put that on mine.) The problem is that if you want to be WYSIWYG, you need to put all the weapons somewhere, as there is no option to just not take them.

 Crimson wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

For what it matters, mine I built last night that I left a lot of the excess off the turrets and sides;

Spoiler:

OK, as I suspected, uncluttering the turret is a massive improvement (though I kinda like the stowage on the hull, so I'll probably put that on mine.) The problem is that if you want to be WYSIWYG, you need to put all the weapons somewhere, as there is no option to just not take them.

If you can't avoid taking them, then there's no need to represent them on the model as they're inherent. Think of them as the vehicular equivalent of grenades. EDIT: To clarify, the point of WYSIWYG is to avoid confusion over what model has what options, so if it's not an option and every Repulsor has one there can be no confusion.

And if anyone is seriously petty enough to insist otherwise, congrats, you've found yourself a handy "people it's not worth my time to game with" detector

 Yodhrin wrote:

If you can't avoid taking them, then there's no need to represent them on the model as they're inherent. Think of them as the vehicular equivalent of grenades. EDIT: To clarify, the point of WYSIWYG is to avoid confusion over what model has what options, so if it's not an option and every Repulsor has one there can be no confusion.

And if anyone is seriously petty enough to insist otherwise, congrats, you've found yourself a handy "people it's not worth my time to game with" detector

All my marines have their pistols and grenades modelled... Yeah, I guess doing what you suggest is fine, and I would never complain if another player would do it, but personally I'm too OCD about WYSIWYG for it.

 AduroT wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:

Spoiler:

The Repulsor looks a lot nicer with a single large cannon

For what it matters, mine I built last night that I left a lot of the excess off the turrets and sides;

Spoiler:

I think it looks better without the porcupine mess of tiny weapons systems and uncharacteristic (for a 40k marine vehicle) stowage.

Mandragola wrote:

It’s particularly bizarre when the logic they are using, that models can only have what’s in the kit, isn’t applied elsewhere. I’m glad that intercessors can have power swords, but it’s odd that there isn’t one in the kit – when there’s tons of other stuff.

It's almost as if this logic you speak of is not an officially stated position and the community has instead begun attributing intent with no evidence to support it. Then we have examples where rather than question whether this position is true (that models can only have what's in the kit), the community questions why the 'rule' isn't being applied everywhere, despite them never once confirming this is the way things are.


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 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

If you can't avoid taking them, then there's no need to represent them on the model as they're inherent. Think of them as the vehicular equivalent of grenades. EDIT: To clarify, the point of WYSIWYG is to avoid confusion over what model has what options, so if it's not an option and every Repulsor has one there can be no confusion.

And if anyone is seriously petty enough to insist otherwise, congrats, you've found yourself a handy "people it's not worth my time to game with" detector

All my marines have their pistols and grenades modelled... Yeah, I guess doing what you suggest is fine, and I would never complain if another player would do it, but personally I'm too OCD about WYSIWYG for it.

I mean, you do you - but would you also be open to reducing the points costs of things artificially (using the wargear points costs, of course) in order to accurately reflect WYSIWYG?

Lemondish wrote:

Mandragola wrote:

It’s particularly bizarre when the logic they are using, that models can only have what’s in the kit, isn’t applied elsewhere. I’m glad that intercessors can have power swords, but it’s odd that there isn’t one in the kit – when there’s tons of other stuff.

It's almost as if this logic you speak of is not an officially stated position and the community has instead begun attributing intent with no evidence to support it. Then we have examples where rather than question whether this position is true (that models can only have what's in the kit), the community questions why the 'rule' isn't being applied everywhere, despite them never once confirming this is the way things are.

The alternative being that GW is, despite being a moderately large international corporation, engages in capricious and erratic fits of behavior regarding the release of their notable new releases on their flagship product line? I'm not sure which is worse.

 warboss wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:

Spoiler:

The Repulsor looks a lot nicer with a single large cannon

For what it matters, mine I built last night that I left a lot of the excess off the turrets and sides;

Spoiler:

I think it looks better without the porcupine mess of tiny weapons systems and uncharacteristic (for a 40k marine vehicle) stowage.

I think that without the extra guns it looks like a historical kit that they stuck up in the air. i.e. boring.

40k needs more things porcupining guns if it wants to get back to it's roots.

I have no idea how that looks like a historical kit.