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 Unit1126PLL wrote:

drbored wrote:
Wow. What a mess. Has anyone tried e-mailing GW about this conundrum to get clarification? FAQ means 'Frequently Asked Questions'. It won't get FAQ'd if nobody's asking.

I put it on their FB page and got the "we read it the way you do but we'll forward it to the designers for a future FAQ" standard canned answer lol.

That's progress! Now if two or three more of you guys post this on their FB page or send an e-mail, it might actually get FAQ'd. I'll send a message too.

It's clearly a RAI thing. It's just a port of the sisters of battle rule onto the cursader datasheet for the IG codex. Unless they FAQ it otherwise it's some stretchy rules lawyering to try to say every single unit of crusaders gets to roll, and then try to apply those rolls to sisters units.

cmspano wrote:
It's clearly a RAI thing. It's just a port of the sisters of battle rule onto the cursader datasheet for the IG codex. Unless they FAQ it otherwise it's some stretchy rules lawyering to try to say every single unit of crusaders gets to roll, and then try to apply those rolls to sisters units.

The rule is the same in the sisters codex, and RAW works the same way. As in, for every unit of sisters, you get to roll a D6.

It's wrong, and clearly not intended, but it's the same for both.

I suspect it only got noticed because crusaders became viable for IG lists, and there's a lot more rules lawyers for IG than there are for sisters. Sisters players (being a respectable, holy sort of folk) didn't look for these kinds of loopholes

To be fair, I'm a sister's player.

I just was so used to it being 1 per army and totally buggering us with gakky scalability that I essentially didn't even think to talk about it.

Question - do you guys spend the points on the extra Storm Bolter on your Immolation Flamer Immolators?

 Sentionaut wrote:
Question - do you guys spend the points on the extra Storm Bolter on your Immolation Flamer Immolators?

If you have the points, it is a good idea.

 Sentionaut wrote:
Question - do you guys spend the points on the extra Storm Bolter on your Immolation Flamer Immolators?

For the points, Stormbolters are a great buy anywhere you can fit them.

 Sentionaut wrote:
Question - do you guys spend the points on the extra Storm Bolter on your Immolation Flamer Immolators?

Heavens yes.

 Zefig wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
Question - do you guys spend the points on the extra Storm Bolter on your Immolation Flamer Immolators?

Heavens yes.

Zefig, never got a response on Shapeways, hit me up...

What would you guys add or change? I have 95 points free but I'm willing to drop stuff if needed.

Vanguard Detachment:

1x Bike Libby, Force Sword

Taurox Prime, Gatling, 2x Hot Shot Volley Guns, Storm Bolter
Taurox Prime, Gatling, 2x Hot Shot Volley Guns, Storm Bolter

C Assassin
1x Priest, Las Pistol, Chainsword
7x Acro

Outrider Detachment:

Celestine + 2 Friends

5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
10x Seperhim, 2x Infero Pistols

Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
1x Rhino, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile


Total: 1905

 Zefig wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
Question - do you guys spend the points on the extra Storm Bolter on your Immolation Flamer Immolators?

Heavens yes.

This is a very neat Idea, tho I think i'll place it under the glass so see can "see" lol

Rynner wrote:
What would you guys add or change? I have 95 points free but I'm willing to drop stuff if needed.

Vanguard Detachment:

1x Bike Libby, Force Sword

Taurox Prime, Gatling, 2x Hot Shot Volley Guns, Storm Bolter
Taurox Prime, Gatling, 2x Hot Shot Volley Guns, Storm Bolter

C Assassin
1x Priest, Las Pistol, Chainsword
7x Acro

Outrider Detachment:

Celestine + 2 Friends

5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
5x Doms - 4x Melta, Chainsword
10x Seperhim, 2x Infero Pistols

Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
Repressor, Heavy Flamer, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile
1x Rhino, 2x Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer Missile


Total: 1905

5 x Rets - 4x hvy bolters, stormbolter
Add a Stormbolter onto your 4 Dom Superiors

Gets you to 2k nicely.

Yeah I thought about heavy bolters. The problem is acts of faith don't really scale well right now and I'm not sure they are better than a 3rd taurox.

Thanks for the suggestion!

The Rets out of vehicles in Cover for that 2+ save is great with AOF, thats basically 8 HBs then.

Thats how i play them at least.

Yeah sorry my point was that my Seraphim use the 2+ act of faith most of the time and I don't have an imagifier so the Rets won't have an act of faith to use for a bit.

The 2+ save is great. 8x heavy bolters is great. You need an act of faith for it though and as I said before acts of faith don't scale great. I'd rather have 40 more points of something than an Imagifer. It's not worth paying roughly 50% of the points cost of the unit for a 50% chance it can shoot (or do anything else twice).

Ah yeah i can see what you mean, tho IDK if they need it to much anyways, they are just a good unit to have in general.

Rynner wrote:
Yeah I thought about heavy bolters. The problem is acts of faith don't really scale well right now and I'm not sure they are better than a 3rd taurox.

Well, I won't be giving advice to add IG to your SoB in a Sisters thread. I appreciate those players who ally Sisters into their lists, I just can't do it.

It is unfortunate that right now Sisters are best as an ally. Patrol Detachment Celestine with a squad of Storm Bolter Battle Sisters and add Repressors, Immolators, or Dominions for flavor, or save the points for your main army. :/

Though I'm curious, how would people like to see Acts of Faith changed to make 2000+ point Sisters lists scale better?

I'd like to see Acts of Faith go back to the way they were set up in 3rd edition, where you had a pool of Faith points that was determined by your army selection. For those of you weren't around then, you got one to three points for every "Faithful" units in your army and you could spend them on any unit on any of the Acts that they had in the Codex. You did have to make a test for each act, and I don't want to see that come back, but it did actually scale well. My old lists tended to have 9-12 Faith Points, and it was always a tough strategic question on when to use them. There was no limit on how many you could use in a turn. You could burn a bunch early to try and hit hard fast, or save them for the late game, a bit like CP's these days.

I would personally like to see acts of faith scale per character. I.E. You have one to start and each sisters character (priest, Canoness, Celestine, etc...) give you another. Also I shouldn't have to roll for it.

Guard auto get orders. Chaos gets to attack twice (Berserkers) and marines get to auto heal your tanks. The fact that we even have to roll is really just blah at this points.

@drbored in my opinion and I think most 8th veteran Sister's players will agree with me - Sisters are about as top tier as your going to get this edition without being Chaos or Guard. They are good but are starting to show their 8th edition age.

However if repressors ever get nerfed or changed at all. Their competitiveness drops like brick in the river.

I'd like to see one per canoness, and one per three infantry units. Imagifers still do what they do if you want more. You'd have to adjust your faith pool as units die. So if you started the game with celestine, a canoness, and six infantry units, you'd have five acts of faith a turn. (1 free, one per HQ, two for six units).

Alternatively, have celestians give a free act of faith, just for them.

I'd be more inclined to take celesians if I knew each unit got an act of faith just for them. Then have the HQ all add one.

One per detachment with a 50/50 chance, plus 1 per 40 point Imagfier on a 2+, plus a reliable freebie from Celestine. That would be about double what I have now with more reliability, and would feel pretty punchy.

We're getting a bit wish list-y here, but I'd like to see our Box of Bones just give a free AoF while we roll for others.

Rynner wrote:
I would personally like to see acts of faith scale per character. I.E. You have one to start and each sisters character (priest, Canoness, Celestine, etc...) give you another. Also I shouldn't have to roll for it.

Guard auto get orders. Chaos gets to attack twice (Berserkers) and marines get to auto heal your tanks. The fact that we even have to roll is really just blah at this points.

@drbored in my opinion and I think most 8th veteran Sister's players will agree with me - Sisters are about as top tier as your going to get this edition without being Chaos or Guard. They are good but are starting to show their 8th edition age.

However if repressors ever get nerfed or changed at all. Their competitiveness drops like brick in the river.

I feel Immolators are a perfectly viable alternative to Repressors. They play differently, but they are a different unit.

Celestine and Repressors are what is keeping SoB fun and competitive IMO. Yeah Immolators are good, but having a couple Repressors is very strong.

Sentionaut wrote:Question - do you guys spend the points on the extra Storm Bolter on your Immolation Flamer Immolators?

Yes, absolutely.



With regards to Act of Faith scaling, we need to be able to control which unit gets the benefit of each Act of Faith, and the number available per turn needs to be proportional to the number of eligible units on the board.

In the vein of wishlisting, I think a simple way to go about this would be:
Line units, like Battle Sisters, Dominions, and Retributors gets to act under an Act of Faith on a X+ at the beginning of the turn.
Elite units, like Seraphim, Repentia, and Celestians, may have a +1 to this roll.
Banner units, like Imagifiers and Seraphim, may additionally grant a +1 to all nearby units.
Leader units, like Canonesses and Saint Celestine, auto-pass one other nearby unit's attempt.
Character units, like Canonesses, Imagifiers, and Hospitallers, automatically get to use one that a nearby unit used.

drbored wrote:
Though I'm curious, how would people like to see Acts of Faith changed to make 2000+ point Sisters lists scale better?

I would be fine allowing each battleforged detachment of Sisters to add a 2+ roll for an additional AoF. Allow Imagifers to purchase wargear to make them useful, still grant an AoF on a 4+ but allow you to pick from a list of aura like effects for whatever they have in their box of bones. Return Martyrdom as a rule where SoB HQ choices grant an automatic AoF every turn after they are dead. Celestians always get an AoF only they can use or have an aura buff effect for the army.

Can we start another thread for wishlisting faith? Thanks guys.

So how many Gemini have people been running with Celestine? I’ve been taking two and making her my warlord but I’m really strongly considering dropping both and making someone else my warlord.

2 seem to have the opposite effect. Unless people know they can kill her she just gets ignore and the things I need her to keep alive (Repressors) die instead.

Rynner wrote:
So how many Gemini have people been running with Celestine? I’ve been taking two and making her my warlord but I’m really strongly considering dropping both and making someone else my warlord.

2 seem to have the opposite effect. Unless people know they can kill her she just gets ignore and the things I need her to keep alive (Repressors) die instead.

The general consensus in here is that taking 1 gemini is preferred over 2. 50pts for the second one is better spent elsewhere.

Do people bother to screen Celestine with Seraphim? Is it worth it?