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I cannot wait to get this book, the waiting is the hardest part. I just hope beyond hope that they have fixed the aelfs a bit (they were just way too fractured and had battleline issues with most of the generic battleline units not being in print anymore :( )

 HunterEste wrote:
I cannot wait to get this book, the waiting is the hardest part. I just hope beyond hope that they have fixed the aelfs a bit (they were just way too fractured and had battleline issues with most of the generic battleline units not being in print anymore :( )

The new Ally rules should really help factions like the Aelfs that just can't really stand on their own without a good generic battleline.

 EnTyme wrote:

 HunterEste wrote:
I cannot wait to get this book, the waiting is the hardest part. I just hope beyond hope that they have fixed the aelfs a bit (they were just way too fractured and had battleline issues with most of the generic battleline units not being in print anymore :( )

The new Ally rules should really help factions like the Aelfs that just can't really stand on their own without a good generic battleline.

It should, I want to keep it fluffy though, so I don't want to have to take stormcast judcators to fill my highelf battleline requirements (I know it's silly, but I have this thing about keeping armies thematic). Right now, for the high elves, the two generic BLs are Silver Helms and Spearmen...and both are no longer being made. Reavers are still listed as a battleline unit in the GHB2016, but I thought I heard whisperings of them becoming Battleline - SwiftHawk Agents in the next edition :(

Anyone going to the NOVA Open? GW just announced a new seminar...

In 2016, the first General’s Handbook revolutionised gaming in the Mortal Realms. With the second annual instalment coming soon, join the Warhammer Community team and Games Workshop Studio to talk about what the new book means for your games of Warhammer Age of Sigmar – and the implications for the top tables of competitive matched play tournaments. They might even give you some hints about what else is on the immediate horizon for Warhammer Age of Sigmar…

Sweet new toys fot destruction! I like what I am seeing.

As for the seminar, meh. They'll only talk about positive impacts on the competitive scene without going into potential problems, the latter being what defines a tournament meta. A preview for future developments would be cool to see though, I'm hoping for new campaign books.

It will be cool to include a Mortis Engine and/or Coven Throne in my Night Haunt army. They fit visually, the keywords just don't match.

If all of the flavors of orc can be allies, I would be optimistic for the elves.

Pre-order next week: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/13/the-generals-handbook-2017-out-soon/

Also it looks like new boxes ideal for allying in, which will be pretty cool if they're a decent deal.

I hope the don't get rid of the Start Collecting Malignants box, as it was a good deal and the Mortis Engine/Coven Throne had lots of good bits.

I am so excited for this finally. Even though AOS interest has dropped like a stone here, there are a handful of people who still play.

Narrative Play in the General's Handbook

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Pre-order next week: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/13/the-generals-handbook-2017-out-soon/

Also it looks like new boxes ideal for allying in, which will be pretty cool if they're a decent deal.

I hope the don't get rid of the Start Collecting Malignants box, as it was a good deal and the Mortis Engine/Coven Throne had lots of good bits.

I doubt the Start Collecting boxes are going anywhere anytime soon. These "Ally" kits, or whatever GW decides to call them, seem to fill a different niche just as Blood and Thunder fills a different niche than the Starter Set.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Pre-order next week: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/13/the-generals-handbook-2017-out-soon/

Also it looks like new boxes ideal for allying in, which will be pretty cool if they're a decent deal.

I hope the don't get rid of the Start Collecting Malignants box, as it was a good deal and the Mortis Engine/Coven Throne had lots of good bits.

I doubt the Start Collecting boxes are going anywhere anytime soon. These "Ally" kits, or whatever GW decides to call them, seem to fill a different niche just as Blood and Thunder fills a different niche than the Starter Set.

I just really, REALLY hope that the Warherds box and the Slaves to Darkness kits are still available once I can afford to get new models again. A chariot and cavalry heavy Chaos Warriors army has been a dream of mine for many years, as has an all-Minotaur army (seriously, if those items were Core choices back in WHF days, I would have been playing them over my Lizardmen army).

Best thing out of these Ally bundles is the "official" GW ruling on which size round bases to use for some of the older models. Woo!

Conquering for Chaos in the General's Handbook




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Lady Atia has posted a review of the General's Handbook 2017.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2333

Ouch....points costs have been leaked from the french version and every single army of mine took a hit including one I was going to build. Batallions across the board jump 30-60%. Overlords thunderers got smashed but honestly the KO is the least affected from what I was considering. My fec characters went up, and so did crypt horrors with only a drop for super sized ghoul units. Sylvaneth jumped but it could be close to a wash with what I was running just no batallion now. My mixed destruction with Savage orc and ironjawz got hit due to the batalion jump. My beastmen I'll have to see and I'll have to run the seraph on numbers.

Overall it's definitely going g to create a new meta. Just wish I hadn't gotten hammered across the board. I don't think battalions are going to be seen as much unless they are spectacular as most will run you 10%ishould of your list.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Ouch....points costs have been leaked from the french version and every single army of mine took a hit including one I was going to build. Batallions across the board jump 30-60%. Overlords thunderers got smashed but honestly the KO is the least affected from what I was considering. My fec characters went up, and so did crypt horrors with only a drop for super sized ghoul units. Sylvaneth jumped but it could be close to a wash with what I was running just no batallion now. My mixed destruction with Savage orc and ironjawz got hit due to the batalion jump. My beastmen I'll have to see and I'll have to run the seraph on numbers.

Overall it's definitely going g to create a new meta. Just wish I hadn't gotten hammered across the board. I don't think battalions are going to be seen as much unless they are spectacular as most will run you 10%ishould of your list.

Well considering players will have been using what's good over what's average/bad, I imagine a lot of them will have nerfs to what they play. Personally I like all of the changes you've mentioned here, all of them sound like they are improving balance.

So you think all fec should have gone up or stayed the same unless you horde up because they were so top tier? Or that beastmen battalion was just shredding the scene? There are definitely some things that needed adjustments. I'm a little shocked it hit across every army I own, even the for fun variants

I mean did the beastclaw raider hunter/sabre battalion need to go up 100pts?

Battalions in general needed to go up IMO, but I will say I'm sure GW went and overcosted at least a third of them. They still don't seem to have a good grip on pointing battalions. Some of them don't have business costing any points at all, even.

FEC did, IMO, need an increase on certain courtiers, battalions, and horrors. But I shouldn't jump to conclusions too much since obviously the degree of change matters. Ghouls didn't need a discount at max size but I've previously gone over why the max size discount is idiotic in my eyes so I didn't feel that particular point needed repeating. Also note that FEC likely got stronger with their allegiance and the point changes almost certainly take their new allegiance into account.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Battalions in general needed to go up IMO, but I will say I'm sure GW went and overcosted at least a third of them. They still don't seem to have a good grip on pointing battalions. Some of them don't have business costing any points at all, even.

The issue of setting points is typical of GW, and wargames in general. If the overall balance is net closer and flatter, then the fact that some are overcosted, and some are undercosted isn't that big of a deal as long as the degree of over/undercost is smaller than it was before.

This is why I was so against an official point system. The community point systems all seemed to do a better job.

To me the batallion points should be multipliers, not flat cost. Kunnin Rukk, for example, is not a big deal unless its on a giant mega blob of archers. You can't really cost the batallion in that case. Multiply the cost of the target.

Yeah, the FEC changes basically means I won't play the army. I was trying my damndest to not go with just 100+ ghouls and roll a bucket of dice, and nothing worked before, only for it to now be even more of that and on top of that no Nighthaunt allies means no Mournghoul, which was really the only thing keeping FEC as even a low-tier competitive army (not that I had any myself). So basically, Death, the weakest grand alliance already, got weaker.

I think deathrattle armies are still quite potent, especially with the discount to skeletons and their free bonus attacks.


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It is my intention to do a skeleton army later this year after I finish my nurgle stuff.

I think what they did is massively over cost most battalions because if they just nerfed the top, then players would've just moved to the next best in line would've stepped up as the default, simply because the one-drop and additional artefact is worth the very small points cost of many battalions. Now you'll have to think really long and hard about even using them. I don't know if it's a good or bad change but it'll certainly move the meta away from one-drop armies and artefact spam.

 auticus wrote:
I think deathrattle armies are still quite potent, especially with the discount to skeletons and their free bonus attacks.


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It is my intention to do a skeleton army later this year after I finish my nurgle stuff.

A word of recommendation on this, if I may. Get a Necromancer, two Wight Kings (preferably one with Black Axe and one with the standard), and a Magewrath Throne. Make the Necromancer your general and set his ass on the throne. Each Wight King can buff a different unit of skeletons with a bonus attack, and one of them will get to pile in and attack twice.

TBH I think they could have fixed it by just not allowing battalions to be deployed as a single drop, instead of just raising the cost of all battalions.

A lot of battalions weren't worth any points at all (while I get the idea of forcing you to pay for them, I think only some should have required points, a lot should not have, and no more "has to have points for Matched Play" requirement), and are worth even less now with an increase that there's really zero reason to even consider them except maybe if they are still fairly cheap as a filler, and even then most got enough of an increase that you can find another unit to take instead.

Wayniac wrote:
Yeah, the FEC changes basically means I won't play the army. I was trying my damndest to not go with just 100+ ghouls and roll a bucket of dice, and nothing worked before, only for it to now be even more of that and on top of that no Nighthaunt allies means no Mournghoul, which was really the only thing keeping FEC as even a low-tier competitive army (not that I had any myself). So basically, Death, the weakest grand alliance already, got weaker.

This is an unjustified assumption because we haven't seen the allegiance abilities yet. Also, we know for sure that death got stronger thanks to discount skeleton hordes at the very least.

But feel free to freak out and ruin your own enjoyment

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Yeah, the FEC changes basically means I won't play the army. I was trying my damndest to not go with just 100+ ghouls and roll a bucket of dice, and nothing worked before, only for it to now be even more of that and on top of that no Nighthaunt allies means no Mournghoul, which was really the only thing keeping FEC as even a low-tier competitive army (not that I had any myself). So basically, Death, the weakest grand alliance already, got weaker.

This is an unjustified assumption because we haven't seen the allegiance abilities yet. Also, we know for sure that death got stronger thanks to discount skeleton hordes at the very least.

But feel free to freak out and ruin your own enjoyment

It doesn't matter what the allegiance abilities are (also we have seen the delusions which are half, and rumors have stated Feeding Frenzy is if you wipe out a unit, another unit nearby can pile in and attack again on a 6), with costs going up for most of the faction, I have no interest in running blobs of 40 ghouls, even 30 was pushing it for me.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Yeah, the FEC changes basically means I won't play the army. I was trying my damndest to not go with just 100+ ghouls and roll a bucket of dice, and nothing worked before, only for it to now be even more of that and on top of that no Nighthaunt allies means no Mournghoul, which was really the only thing keeping FEC as even a low-tier competitive army (not that I had any myself). So basically, Death, the weakest grand alliance already, got weaker.

This is an unjustified assumption because we haven't seen the allegiance abilities yet. Also, we know for sure that death got stronger thanks to discount skeleton hordes at the very least.

But feel free to freak out and ruin your own enjoyment

"I know you're complaining about FEC but Skeletons!!!!"

As a whole though reading through most of the changes, granted without full disclosure on the FEC stuff, FEC basically went monobuild. Ghoul horde. Done. Which is sad as the only death battletome actually out.

I think Wayniac understands this is a total reboot and he'll have to build lists from the ground up but being annoyed about FEC is justified.The only adjustment we got was a horde bonus which even Tzaangor got (and benefit from far more at a 16% discount vs. 10%). Overall it's a complete change to the meta which is fine. But some of us do lament not being able to play something other than monobuild at a tournament. Basically it just pushes me personally to not paint them till maybe next year as I'll have other projects jump them in the que now as I can play narrative games with unpainted stuff with buddies but painting is reserved for tournaments due to my limited time.

He decided to generalize FEC to the whole alliance, not me.

On another note, if its already decided that horde is the only viable build I believe Auticus will be taking apologies.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
He decided to generalize FEC to the whole alliance, not me.

On another note, if its already decided that horde is the only viable build I believe Auticus will be taking apologies.

lmao. I won't hold my breath on that one heh.

Oh my problem in general is that I dislike hordes. What I hope is that hordes become ONE choice, not THE choice.