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What we've seen is hardback (to match the core rules) and will almost certainly cost around 40-50USD per Codex. 20EUR is probably not a realistic expectation.
Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
Might be a bit confusing if you don't follow AoS, but of the ones he linked, the only ones higher than $40 were old, pre GHB ones.
All the ones that have come out post GHB (i.e. the new standard) are $40 hardcover, $25 softcover. That's 33EUR hardcover, 20EUR softcover.
What we've seen is hardback (to match the core rules) and will almost certainly cost around 40-50USD per Codex. 20EUR is probably not a realistic expectation.
Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
Might be a bit confusing if you don't follow AoS, but of the ones he linked, the only ones higher than $40 were old, pre GHB ones.
All the ones that have come out post GHB (i.e. the new standard) are $40 hardcover, $25 softcover. That's 33EUR hardcover, 20EUR softcover.
Thanks. That's a little more useful than "wanna bet". So... post GHB, they come out first in hardcover at $40 and then eventually as softcover at $25? Is that correct? I know at least some of the post GHB Battletomes were hardback.
That would still make me think that the Codexes will be hardbacks costing $40 or more with maybe a $25 softback reprint at some point down the road. I think my $40-50 comment stands.
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What we've seen is hardback (to match the core rules) and will almost certainly cost around 40-50USD per Codex. 20EUR is probably not a realistic expectation.
Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
Might be a bit confusing if you don't follow AoS, but of the ones he linked, the only ones higher than $40 were old, pre GHB ones.
All the ones that have come out post GHB (i.e. the new standard) are $40 hardcover, $25 softcover. That's 33EUR hardcover, 20EUR softcover.
Thanks. That's a little more useful than "wanna bet". So... post GHB, they come out first in hardcover at $40 and then eventually as softcover at $25? Is that correct? I know at least some of the post GHB Battletomes were hardback.
That would still make me think that the Codexes will be hardbacks costing $40 or more with maybe a $25 softback reprint at some point down the road. I think my $40-50 comment stands.
Yeah that pricing seems about right. I wouldn't expect any hardback books less than $40 unless it's a minor release (like MT was in 7th).
What we've seen is hardback (to match the core rules) and will almost certainly cost around 40-50USD per Codex. 20EUR is probably not a realistic expectation.
Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
Might be a bit confusing if you don't follow AoS, but of the ones he linked, the only ones higher than $40 were old, pre GHB ones.
All the ones that have come out post GHB (i.e. the new standard) are $40 hardcover, $25 softcover. That's 33EUR hardcover, 20EUR softcover.
Thanks. That's a little more useful than "wanna bet". So... post GHB, they come out first in hardcover at $40 and then eventually as softcover at $25? Is that correct? I know at least some of the post GHB Battletomes were hardback.
That would still make me think that the Codexes will be hardbacks costing $40 or more with maybe a $25 softback reprint at some point down the road. I think my $40-50 comment stands.
How can your comment stand if the person you were responding to CAN reasonably expect 20 Euro codexes (even if he has to wait a month or two for the soft-cover to be released), and your comment explicitly states that "20 EUR is probably not a realistic expectation"?
What we've seen is hardback (to match the core rules) and will almost certainly cost around 40-50USD per Codex. 20EUR is probably not a realistic expectation.
Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
Might be a bit confusing if you don't follow AoS, but of the ones he linked, the only ones higher than $40 were old, pre GHB ones.
All the ones that have come out post GHB (i.e. the new standard) are $40 hardcover, $25 softcover. That's 33EUR hardcover, 20EUR softcover.
Thanks. That's a little more useful than "wanna bet". So... post GHB, they come out first in hardcover at $40 and then eventually as softcover at $25? Is that correct? I know at least some of the post GHB Battletomes were hardback.
That would still make me think that the Codexes will be hardbacks costing $40 or more with maybe a $25 softback reprint at some point down the road. I think my $40-50 comment stands.
How can your comment stand if the person you were responding to CAN reasonably expect 20 Euro codexes (even if he has to wait a month or two for the soft-cover to be released), and your comment explicitly states that "20 EUR is probably not a realistic expectation"?
Um... Well... GW has told us that the Codexes will be hardback to match the hardback rules. Hardback Codexes and Battletomes very rarely sell for less than $40. The most reasonable expectation is that the new Codexes will cost $40+. Might we also expect that at some point in the future, the Codexes will be reprinted as softbacks for $25? Sure, maybe. But that's not likely to be a month or two. It's more likely to be down the road, probably at least 6-12 months or more, whenever the hardback Codexes have sold out.
So, 20EUR/25USD might be a realistic expectation if you're willing to just wait for however long it take to go from hardback initial release to softback reprint and simply not have up to date rules for your army in the meantime. If you want to have current rules, you should realistically expect to pay 40USD or so when the Codex is initially sold.
I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just saying that if you're budgeting for a new Codex release and you only put away 25USD, you're probably not going to be able to afford your Codex when it comes out. You'll have to instead wait until it's maybe eventually released as a softback. Most of those AOS Battletomes were released more than a month or two ago and are still priced at $40-50+.
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Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
They have the will to do it, but you're right in that they'll be pushing just hardbacks until the initial run sells out and then they'll supplement with softback. So unless your army sells out you might be out of luck on that pricing.
What we've seen is hardback (to match the core rules) and will almost certainly cost around 40-50USD per Codex. 20EUR is probably not a realistic expectation.
Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
There are some more on the second page which are in the sub $40 range, however the majority are still $40 or over. I am doubtful that many of the Codices will be sub $40, especially for the main armies (e.g. Space Marines, Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Nids, Tau, IG etc.).
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Also should note that of the 2 softcovers there, the more expensive 1 is the first of the new style (Sylvaneth) and the other (Disciples of Tzeentch) was released earlier this year before the Stormcast, Kharadon & Blades of Khorne books.
EDIT: That said, I feel Codex: Space Marines will be more expensive given it's going to be large - it was already a behemoth of a tome by codex standard before the Primaris and had a higher price tag then.
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What we've seen is hardback (to match the core rules) and will almost certainly cost around 40-50USD per Codex. 20EUR is probably not a realistic expectation.
Of the 10 rulebooks on the page you linked me to, 8 were in the 40-50+ price range. One was 35 and one (a softback re-release) was 25. I'm not sure why you think that's evidence that 20EUR (~22USD) would be a realistic expectation for books going forward.
Might be a bit confusing if you don't follow AoS, but of the ones he linked, the only ones higher than $40 were old, pre GHB ones.
All the ones that have come out post GHB (i.e. the new standard) are $40 hardcover, $25 softcover. That's 33EUR hardcover, 20EUR softcover.
Thanks. That's a little more useful than "wanna bet". So... post GHB, they come out first in hardcover at $40 and then eventually as softcover at $25? Is that correct? I know at least some of the post GHB Battletomes were hardback.
That would still make me think that the Codexes will be hardbacks costing $40 or more with maybe a $25 softback reprint at some point down the road. I think my $40-50 comment stands.
How can your comment stand if the person you were responding to CAN reasonably expect 20 Euro codexes (even if he has to wait a month or two for the soft-cover to be released), and your comment explicitly states that "20 EUR is probably not a realistic expectation"?
Um... Well... GW has told us that the Codexes will be hardback to match the hardback rules. Hardback Codexes and Battletomes very rarely sell for less than $40. The most reasonable expectation is that the new Codexes will cost $40+. Might we also expect that at some point in the future, the Codexes will be reprinted as softbacks for $25? Sure, maybe. But that's not likely to be a month or two. It's more likely to be down the road, probably at least 6-12 months or more, whenever the hardback Codexes have sold out.
So, 20EUR/25USD might be a realistic expectation if you're willing to just wait for however long it take to go from hardback initial release to softback reprint and simply not have up to date rules for your army in the meantime. If you want to have current rules, you should realistically expect to pay 40USD or so when the Codex is initially sold.
I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just saying that if you're budgeting for a new Codex release and you only put away 25USD, you're probably not going to be able to afford your Codex when it comes out. You'll have to instead wait until it's maybe eventually released as a softback. Most of those AOS Battletomes were released more than a month or two ago and are still priced at $40-50+.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
It's almost like they've been talking about a campaign that they're getting set to launch at the end of this month(July 27th) that takes place in a specific system and has a narrative of Death Guard and Chaos Marines assaulting an area where two factions(Grey Knights and Ultramarines) were known to be holed up.
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aracersss wrote: not sure if this is confirmation ... but they may have leaked new DG vehicles or prob just customized
Spoiler:
Just looks like a Rhino with a hatch gunner on the DG side.
For the Marines the Repulsor looks like a big kit. The overall footprint seems to be close to the LR, and with the turret and hover stand its definitely taller.
aracersss wrote: not sure if this is confirmation ... but they may have leaked new DG vehicles or prob just customized
Spoiler:
Just looks like a Rhino with a hatch gunner on the DG side.
For the Marines the Repulsor looks like a big kit. The overall footprint seems to be close to the LR, and with the turret and hover stand its definitely taller.
Look above the Rhino in the "overall battlefield shot". It's parked in/on a piece of scenery.
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Huh, I'd assumed it was half a wrecked Chimera next to the Rhino. But that bit about the Plagueburst Crawler definitely points to something new somewhere on the table taking shots at the SM tactical squad.
Maybe a artillery piece? chaos has always been short on Artillery and it almost looks like it might have a Mortar. I think a "whirlwind equivilant" would work nicely with DG.
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Yeah that thing to the left of the DG rhino looks like it might actually be something new, cause I can see the mortar launcher on top which matches the art.
DarkStarSabre wrote: I wish we'd stop circling that bloody Rhino as though it were new.
It's not. It;s a Rhino with a FW Death Guard upgrade torso on the gunner hatch.
But it is.
GW wouldn't use a Forge-world kit in their starter book.
DarkStarSabre wrote: I wish we'd stop circling that bloody Rhino as though it were new.
It's not. It;s a Rhino with a FW Death Guard upgrade torso on the gunner hatch.
But it is.
GW wouldn't use a Forge-world kit in their starter book.
They're using conversion in there. Remember the battle reports in the old rulebooks when one of the armies was using older models and not the new shinies?
That Rhino isn't new. That's a FW upgrade torso on a standard Rhino kit. There's only so much ignorance that can be tolerated. Want to see the torso in question? I'm pretty sure myself or any other DG player can fish out an example from our own army or just show you it on the FW site. And GW have used FW bits in their armies before - Blood Angels and Space Wolves have FW doors on their tanks in the studio armies. Why? Because FW is a sister company. Why not?
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Kanluwen wrote: It's almost like they've been talking about a campaign that they're getting set to launch at the end of this month(July 27th) that takes place in a specific system and has a narrative of Death Guard and Chaos Marines assaulting an area where two factions(Grey Knights and Ultramarines) were known to be holed up.
And that campaign had to take place in that system and feature those armies. Couldn't have taken place in literally any other part of the galaxy, couldn't have featured any of the other dozen factions in 40k...
You're making it sound like the campaign locked them into updating things this way, instead of the campaign simply being a marketing tool to support all the new kits and armies that were going to be updated first anyway, which is what it is.
Anyway, Reece from FLG said GW plans on releasing 10 40k codices this year alone? With the year more than halfway over already? They'd have to be releasing 2 every month. They must be small releases then, I don't see them keeping that kind of pace and still releasing new kits to go with it.
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I have mixed feeling about the whole index/codex issue, on the one hand I really do see all the issues with the system they have made. But on the other hand I've always wanted to see all of chaos together in a book and all of the marines and so on, so these indexes sound great. But I also love the small codicies, freeing gw up to look at niche armies like gsc and hopefully sisters of battle getting their own books is fantastic, and I'd love to see each of the traitor legions get their own book and models! And it also seems stupid for a space wolf player to have to have all of the other marines in his book. So frankly this combination of the indicies and codicies seems pretty perfect to me, although I will freely admit that things being different between them and getting invalidated is an issue but I'm sure it all seems worst right now as we haven't settled into it yet. Given a year, once almost all armies have a codex I imagine it will be an elegant system (provided the indexes and codicies remain consistent). I'm sure a lot of these issues are just settling issues with all the hänge at the moment
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