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Wow so gamesworkshop start a campaign that pits chaos vs space marines (shocker) right after the release of a new edition with the upcoming releases of codexes for the armies involved and the sky is already falling for people and games workshop are cutting out all of the xenos races, Jeeze guys!
As an eldar player I'm happy that gamesworkshop are quickfiring some releases for my favourite table top game even if I don't play those armies and not only promoting it but are doing it through community involvement in the form of a campaign, I for one will wait my turn for a release and over that period there might be four codexes released with a campaign that pits iyanden against Tyranids or something, people need to chill.
Part of me wants to say the Indexes should have been free. The other part of me says I spent an extra $25 to play the new edition, and I enjoy playing it.
I will reserve my rage for when I see the price point of the Codex itself. If it's $60, I will write a strongly worded / slightly sarcastic post on this forum, then get over it.
Other than that... GW is a public company and decisions around when to release stuff is usually based on the need to spread out revenue over the course of a year. It's capitalism and marketing, not some scheme to endorse one army over another.
Mantle wrote: Wow so gamesworkshop start a campaign that pits chaos vs space marines (shocker) right after the release of a new edition with the upcoming releases of codexes for the armies involved and the sky is already falling for people and games workshop are cutting out all of the xenos races, Jeeze guys!
As an eldar player I'm happy that gamesworkshop are quickfiring some releases for my favourite table top game even if I don't play those armies and not only promoting it but are doing it through community involvement in the form of a campaign, I for one will wait my turn for a release and over that period there might be four codexes released with a campaign that pits iyanden against Tyranids or something, people need to chill.
Ugh, Gamgee's idiotic fantasies are hurting the point I was making. This campaign is juts the most recent thing, but over the last 2 years the only major Xenos releases have been Genestealer Cults and the 7th ed Tau codex, almost everything else in that time has been in power armour. I'm not complaining that the codexes are coming thick and fast, it's exactly what was expected because GW said so months ago when 8th was announced, it's the fact that the first 4 are all in Power Armour, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few of the remaining 6 codexes for this year could well be in Power Armour as well. By the time the first Xenos codex comes out for this edition it'll almost certainly be over a year since the last big Xenos release (GSC was October last year) and more than 2 since the one before it (Tau). Anybody that thinks the global campaign is actually inclusive for Xenos players has no idea what they are talking about. A friend of mine will be starting a campaign soon and in a narrative sense I'll actually get to play for something with that one, far more satisfying than the rubbish GW is forcing on us.
Whilst I in no way believe the rubbish that GW will squat Xenos factions, the last couple of years have taken a pretty hefty hammer to any kind of variety in the release schedule. The one silver lining is talk that next year could be much more focused on Xenos factions, the downside is that I think it was Gamgee who mentioned that, so the chances of it happening are slim to none.
Mantle wrote: I for one will wait my turn for a release
You are assuming your turn will come. Pretty optimistic if you ask me.
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Mantle wrote: Wow so gamesworkshop start a campaign that pits chaos vs space marines (shocker) right after the release of a new edition with the upcoming releases of codexes for the armies involved and the sky is already falling for people and games workshop are cutting out all of the xenos races, Jeeze guys!
As an eldar player I'm happy that gamesworkshop are quickfiring some releases for my favourite table top game even if I don't play those armies and not only promoting it but are doing it through community involvement in the form of a campaign, I for one will wait my turn for a release and over that period there might be four codexes released with a campaign that pits iyanden against Tyranids or something, people need to chill.
Ugh, Gamgee's idiotic fantasies are hurting the point I was making. This campaign is juts the most recent thing, but over the last 2 years the only major Xenos releases have been Genestealer Cults and the 7th ed Tau codex, almost everything else in that time has been in power armour. I'm not complaining that the codexes are coming thick and fast, it's exactly what was expected because GW said so months ago when 8th was announced, it's the fact that the first 4 are all in Power Armour, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few of the remaining 6 codexes for this year could well be in Power Armour as well. By the time the first Xenos codex comes out for this edition it'll almost certainly be over a year since the last big Xenos release (GSC was October last year) and more than 2 since the one before it (Tau). Anybody that thinks the global campaign is actually inclusive for Xenos players has no idea what they are talking about. A friend of mine will be starting a campaign soon and in a narrative sense I'll actually get to play for something with that one, far more satisfying than the rubbish GW is forcing on us.
Whilst I in no way believe the rubbish that GW will squat Xenos factions, the last couple of years have taken a pretty hefty hammer to any kind of variety in the release schedule. The one silver lining is talk that next year could be much more focused on Xenos factions, the downside is that I think it was Gamgee who mentioned that, so the chances of it happening are slim to none.
Okay, a question: what constitutes a major release? Because if say fall of cadia and the new rules and HQ for ecclesiarchy and admech as well as the Fracture of Biel-Tan and the ynarri don't qualify, then the issue is more we haven't had many major releases period. I mean, are we going to count angels of death if we don't count the others? What's the logic, because there were new units that weren't named HQ's?
Ynnari certainly qualifies, but Fall of Cadia's "new rules and hq for ecclesiarchy" wasn't really anything new at all. The only unit that got a dramatic rules change and a new model was Celestine, which is hardly a "major release". Everything else was almost exactly the same it had been for over a decade (and, in some cases, for two decades)
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I never said squatted. I said SoB'ed which is a very different thing than straight up squatting.
To be SOB'ed is to have your line intact, but very slowly over the course of years support slowly dries up and they never make more models or if they do it could be extreme amounts of time. Your models may have rules, but your support will be token at best and they technically can be played.
Companies try and sell people on things they don't want all the time. A slow gradual death is more easy for people to cope with since it's harder for them to measure. It also gives them the faint sense of possibility that maybe they are just around the corner, but never really are.
Lady Atia herself has said the Tau are getting something that is not directly part of the Tau Empire on her blog, but I'm very hesitant to see what it is now.
Idiotic fantasies? I was worried about stuff happening to Xenos way before this was even announced. I was so hyped for the rumoured global campaign and then they kick us in the nuts.
Lady Atia herself has only said stuff about Tau (to my recollection) it's other less reliable rumor people who have talked about xenos at all.
GW themselves has said nothing except that 8th will focus more on IoM and Chaos for the first year, but I don't expect that will change when there are a million primarchs and an emperor reborn model they need to sell. Then a horus reborn model ect. What next the chaos gods themselves? At this point there doesn't even feel like a point for deathwatch lol.
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Mantle wrote: Wow so gamesworkshop start a campaign that pits chaos vs space marines (shocker) right after the release of a new edition with the upcoming releases of codexes for the armies involved and the sky is already falling for people and games workshop are cutting out all of the xenos races, Jeeze guys! As an eldar player I'm happy that gamesworkshop are quickfiring some releases for my favourite table top game even if I don't play those armies and not only promoting it but are doing it through community involvement in the form of a campaign, I for one will wait my turn for a release and over that period there might be four codexes released with a campaign that pits iyanden against Tyranids or something, people need to chill.
Ugh, Gamgee's idiotic fantasies are hurting the point I was making. This campaign is juts the most recent thing, but over the last 2 years the only major Xenos releases have been Genestealer Cults and the 7th ed Tau codex, almost everything else in that time has been in power armour. I'm not complaining that the codexes are coming thick and fast, it's exactly what was expected because GW said so months ago when 8th was announced, it's the fact that the first 4 are all in Power Armour, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few of the remaining 6 codexes for this year could well be in Power Armour as well. By the time the first Xenos codex comes out for this edition it'll almost certainly be over a year since the last big Xenos release (GSC was October last year) and more than 2 since the one before it (Tau). Anybody that thinks the global campaign is actually inclusive for Xenos players has no idea what they are talking about. A friend of mine will be starting a campaign soon and in a narrative sense I'll actually get to play for something with that one, far more satisfying than the rubbish GW is forcing on us.
Whilst I in no way believe the rubbish that GW will squat Xenos factions, the last couple of years have taken a pretty hefty hammer to any kind of variety in the release schedule. The one silver lining is talk that next year could be much more focused on Xenos factions, the downside is that I think it was Gamgee who mentioned that, so the chances of it happening are slim to none.
So, you might not consider it a major relase, but as an Eldar player who loves all 3 of the factions, the Ynnari release was enormous and frickin' amazing for me. That being said, I do wish the other xenos got more love. My 'nid-playing buddy has been desperate for add-ons.
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Yeah, the Ynnari thing was definitely a major release.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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I find it funny that the release of a single model is considered a "major release". Ironically, it's actually true, for Sisters who never get anything new.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Melissia wrote: I find it funny that the release of a single model is considered a "major release". Ironically, it's actually true, for Sisters who never get anything new.
I was so hyped to see a rebooted sisters too and then nothing. What a troll.
Melissia wrote: I find it funny that the release of a single model is considered a "major release". Ironically, it's actually true, for Sisters who never get anything new.
I was so hyped to see a rebooted sisters too and then nothing. What a troll.
I'd take you up on that, except on the off chance that they do get released I won't have any money to pay you for winning.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.
Mantle wrote: Wow so gamesworkshop start a campaign that pits chaos vs space marines (shocker) right after the release of a new edition with the upcoming releases of codexes for the armies involved and the sky is already falling for people and games workshop are cutting out all of the xenos races, Jeeze guys!
As an eldar player I'm happy that gamesworkshop are quickfiring some releases for my favourite table top game even if I don't play those armies and not only promoting it but are doing it through community involvement in the form of a campaign, I for one will wait my turn for a release and over that period there might be four codexes released with a campaign that pits iyanden against Tyranids or something, people need to chill.
Ugh, Gamgee's idiotic fantasies are hurting the point I was making. This campaign is juts the most recent thing, but over the last 2 years the only major Xenos releases have been Genestealer Cults and the 7th ed Tau codex, almost everything else in that time has been in power armour. I'm not complaining that the codexes are coming thick and fast, it's exactly what was expected because GW said so months ago when 8th was announced, it's the fact that the first 4 are all in Power Armour, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few of the remaining 6 codexes for this year could well be in Power Armour as well. By the time the first Xenos codex comes out for this edition it'll almost certainly be over a year since the last big Xenos release (GSC was October last year) and more than 2 since the one before it (Tau). Anybody that thinks the global campaign is actually inclusive for Xenos players has no idea what they are talking about. A friend of mine will be starting a campaign soon and in a narrative sense I'll actually get to play for something with that one, far more satisfying than the rubbish GW is forcing on us.
Whilst I in no way believe the rubbish that GW will squat Xenos factions, the last couple of years have taken a pretty hefty hammer to any kind of variety in the release schedule. The one silver lining is talk that next year could be much more focused on Xenos factions, the downside is that I think it was Gamgee who mentioned that, so the chances of it happening are slim to none.
Okay, a question: what constitutes a major release? Because if say fall of cadia and the new rules and HQ for ecclesiarchy and admech as well as the Fracture of Biel-Tan and the ynarri don't qualify, then the issue is more we haven't had many major releases period. I mean, are we going to count angels of death if we don't count the others? What's the logic, because there were new units that weren't named HQ's?
I don't as each book had a grand total of 3 models to come with it, but if you do thats still 5 out of 9 models in Power Armour or some varient there of.
I would also agree with there being a shortage of releases. Sad Panda mentioned over a year ago that 8th edition was being worked on which was why we hadn't had any codex updates after Tau and was why, other than Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult, that we only got campaign books.
However, Ynnari was basically a whole new army list, or at the very least, a whole new way to play two already existing armies. The Triad didn't make anywhere near the same impact; they were, at best, strong characters that Imperial armies could take.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.
Seeing as how several parts of the sculptor's converted army have ended up in the finished designs he did, would it really matter if it isn't legit or not model-wise?
The text explicitly calls it out as a "Plagueburst Crawler". That's not in anything I've come across yet.
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Mantle wrote: Wow so gamesworkshop start a campaign that pits chaos vs space marines (shocker) right after the release of a new edition with the upcoming releases of codexes for the armies involved and the sky is already falling for people and games workshop are cutting out all of the xenos races, Jeeze guys!
As an eldar player I'm happy that gamesworkshop are quickfiring some releases for my favourite table top game even if I don't play those armies and not only promoting it but are doing it through community involvement in the form of a campaign, I for one will wait my turn for a release and over that period there might be four codexes released with a campaign that pits iyanden against Tyranids or something, people need to chill.
Ugh, Gamgee's idiotic fantasies are hurting the point I was making. This campaign is juts the most recent thing, but over the last 2 years the only major Xenos releases have been Genestealer Cults and the 7th ed Tau codex, almost everything else in that time has been in power armour. I'm not complaining that the codexes are coming thick and fast, it's exactly what was expected because GW said so months ago when 8th was announced, it's the fact that the first 4 are all in Power Armour, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few of the remaining 6 codexes for this year could well be in Power Armour as well. By the time the first Xenos codex comes out for this edition it'll almost certainly be over a year since the last big Xenos release (GSC was October last year) and more than 2 since the one before it (Tau). Anybody that thinks the global campaign is actually inclusive for Xenos players has no idea what they are talking about. A friend of mine will be starting a campaign soon and in a narrative sense I'll actually get to play for something with that one, far more satisfying than the rubbish GW is forcing on us.
Whilst I in no way believe the rubbish that GW will squat Xenos factions, the last couple of years have taken a pretty hefty hammer to any kind of variety in the release schedule. The one silver lining is talk that next year could be much more focused on Xenos factions, the downside is that I think it was Gamgee who mentioned that, so the chances of it happening are slim to none.
So, you might not consider it a major relase, but as an Eldar player who loves all 3 of the factions, the Ynnari release was enormous and frickin' amazing for me. That being said, I do wish the other xenos got more love. My 'nid-playing buddy has been desperate for add-ons.
I both loved and hated the Ynnari release, it's was good to get at least something and the Yncarn was a great addition to my Dark Eldar, but Strength from Death was absolutely bonkers. At the same time, it doesn't feel like a proper army, I want to see new troop units specifically for the Reborn Warhost rather than the ad-hoc pick and mix from 3 other factions.
clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.
Nice now I can unsee the wrecked half Chimera Looks like an actual tank and not a demon engine like the Blight drone. Interesting vaguely slug shape. Kinda appropriate for a Nurgle force.
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The chassis has an interesting shape. Doesn't look like the other vehicles. I doubt its a conversion, because that would require 3rd party materials, and GW would not think of doing that.
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clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.
Seeing as how several parts of the sculptor's converted army have ended up in the finished designs he did, would it really matter if it isn't legit or not model-wise?
The text explicitly calls it out as a "Plagueburst Crawler". That's not in anything I've come across yet.
I don't doubt that this is a new thing for the DG, but no it wouldn't make much a difference. Only thing is the details would be slightly different in the finished CAD sculpted version. It does slightly differ from the artwork anyways.
clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.
Vindicator replacement? Looks a bit larger than the Rhino.
clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.
Vindicator replacement? Looks a bit larger than the Rhino.
I dunno, given the obvious Mortar on it, I'm gonna guess it's a indirect firesupport unit. basicly a "chaos whirlwind analogue"
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Gamgee wrote: I never said squatted. I said SoB'ed which is a very different thing than straight up squatting.
To be SOB'ed is to have your line intact, but very slowly over the course of years support slowly dries up and they never make more models or if they do it could be extreme amounts of time. Your models may have rules, but your support will be token at best and they technically can be played.
Companies try and sell people on things they don't want all the time. A slow gradual death is more easy for people to cope with since it's harder for them to measure. It also gives them the faint sense of possibility that maybe they are just around the corner, but never really are.
Lady Atia herself has said the Tau are getting something that is not directly part of the Tau Empire on her blog, but I'm very hesitant to see what it is now.
Idiotic fantasies? I was worried about stuff happening to Xenos way before this was even announced. I was so hyped for the rumoured global campaign and then they kick us in the nuts.
Lady Atia herself has only said stuff about Tau (to my recollection) it's other less reliable rumor people who have talked about xenos at all.
GW themselves has said nothing except that 8th will focus more on IoM and Chaos for the first year, but I don't expect that will change when there are a million primarchs and an emperor reborn model they need to sell. Then a horus reborn model ect. What next the chaos gods themselves? At this point there doesn't even feel like a point for deathwatch lol.
except we know it's not going to be JUST chaos and marine codices this year. the announcement specificly says eldar craftworld and necron dynesty rules. I may be reading more into this but I see that as high likelyhood that the eldar and necrons are going to be in the first batch of 10 books.
As for the Global Campaign being Chaos vs IOM with Xenos races acting as spoilers, that's hardly anything new (remember the old eye of terror campaign?) the 40k narritive basicly boils down to the IoM fighting chaos with the xenos races acting as spoilers.
thing is, if the Tau are getting stuff I can't imagine the other Xenos races aren't. the Tau would be the easiest to squat given the bloody tau empire is a few hundred worlds in a small corner of the galaxy, whom lack high speed Warp Drives, and thus are stuck in said small corner of the galaxy. I've ranted on that one before though, horriable design, and if I was ever put in charge of 40k, that'd be one of the first things I'd fix, via a new member race or outright retcon. the Tau, from a narritive POV, NEED to be a intergalatic race. otherwise, you shrink the setting, if you ever wanna include every race
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AduroT wrote: Wait, so are we mad that GW is releasing the Codexes in a timely fashion, or are we mad that they didn't leave us with zero rules between the eighth release and when your Codex comes out?
I agree i think GW did a good job on the indexes. I am happy that codices on the way all ready. Hopefully we see Tyranids Necrons or Eldar in before Christmas.
AduroT wrote: How long is this Marines vs Chaos campaign? Is it short enough there might be a campaign/event every other month that lines up with product releases?
10 Codexes by Christmas means 2 per month, so 2 months total for all 4 announced codexes. Nothing else until September.
clearer image of plaguecrawler, thanks to someone on heresyonline. Would have to be a pretty darn good conversion if it isn't legit. The pale parts of the armor don't look as worn/corroded as I would like..that is fixable though.
Vindicator replacement? Looks a bit larger than the Rhino.
I dunno, given the obvious Mortar on it, I'm gonna guess it's a indirect firesupport unit. basicly a "chaos whirlwind analogue"
I would imagine it'll have more of a direct fire support role, as it has sponsons as well (not much use when you're behind a mountain ) I wonder what its' dual kit option will be.
Looks like an actual tank and not a demon engine like the Blight drone. Interesting vaguely slug shape. Kinda appropriate for a Nurgle force.
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) I wonder what its' dual kit option will be.