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Qlanth wrote:
If Mortarion costs $140 has no options for faces/weapons/poses or extras included in the kit I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Thats a gakload of money for something that looks to be about the size of a Riptide and costs twice as much.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius] It says quite clearly that he can have his weapons in either hand which changes his pose dramatically or some nonsense they have said.

That's about as poseable as it'll get.

Kijamon wrote:


[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

There are nice ways to say that.

Welp, I was gonna get morty but that price. Just....that price. I've started entire armies for less than that.

Here's hoping that somewhere down the road they'd release him with a bundle for something.

The other releases are pretty expensive too but nothing more than what I've come to expect from GW (the morty thing caught me off guard because I thought he'd be closer to Magnus's price. In canada it's a 30 dollar difference, which with discounts just widens).

Kijamon wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
If Mortarion costs $140 has no options for faces/weapons/poses or extras included in the kit I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Thats a gakload of money for something that looks to be about the size of a Riptide and costs twice as much.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius] It says quite clearly that he can have his weapons in either hand which changes his pose dramatically or some nonsense they have said.

That's about as poseable as it'll get.

There is no need to start insulting me. I'm glad to hear there will be multiple poses. That is encouraging! I hope there are other options as well!

With GW's fondness for releasing 'spooky' stuff in October, I imagine that's when we will see a real outpouring of DG/ Nurgle stuff. If there was ever going to be a GUO, that's where I would put my money.

GW, call me when I can buy multi-pose kits. Don't you like money? My birthday is in early October.

PS: I haven't dived into the army composition stuff for 40k 8th so far, what with the Codizes coming out amd changing listsy anyway. There won't be Death Guard bikes I bet. I have five Nurgle bikers and an Apotecary on bike. How do I square them with also using the Death Guard (not Nurgle! Sigh) characters from DI in one army? I'm fine with Nurgle CSM and count-as characters or ally DG chars (if there are decent approximations) or ally bikers in a DG list. I just want to use my "industrialised warfare" WW1-styled bikers to outflank enemy forces ground to a halt by massed infantry assaults.

I think this edition of the DG codex is going to be like the Blood Angels and Dark Angels codex, where it's focused on the actual chapter/legion rather than an army based on them.

If I remember, Mortarion preferred infantry tactics and thus didn't use bikes all that much (or anything else beyond footsloggers really). The 3.5 edition codex even let you use Rhino-mounted Plague Marines as Fast attack because you didn't get any other FA choices.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I think this edition of the DG codex is going to be like the Blood Angels and Dark Angels codex, where it's focused on the actual chapter/legion rather than an army based on them.

If I remember, Mortarion preferred infantry tactics and thus didn't use bikes all that much (or anything else beyond footsloggers really). The 3.5 edition codex even let you use Rhino-mounted Plague Marines as Fast attack because you didn't get any other FA choices.

Well those guys were pretty fast...

Is it just me, or does the Mortarion kit provide the extra pistols so that you could make a Mortarion with two pistols?

 Malika2 wrote:
Is it just me, or does the Mortarion kit provide the extra pistols so that you could make a Mortarion with two pistols?

If that's the case I may just buy a Mortarion, have him dual-wielding pistols and paint his rebreather filters up like Pepsi cans. This could be the start of something great.

 Binabik15 wrote:
GW, call me when I can buy multi-pose kits. Don't you like money? My birthday is in early October.

PS: I haven't dived into the army composition stuff for 40k 8th so far, what with the Codizes coming out amd changing listsy anyway. There won't be Death Guard bikes I bet. I have five Nurgle bikers and an Apotecary on bike. How do I square them with also using the Death Guard (not Nurgle! Sigh) characters from DI in one army? I'm fine with Nurgle CSM and count-as characters or ally DG chars (if there are decent approximations) or ally bikers in a DG list. I just want to use my "industrialised warfare" WW1-styled bikers to outflank enemy forces ground to a halt by massed infantry assaults.

I think you might be hosed on the bikes. They are re-branding Death Guard as their own, brand new army and they have removed the ability for Death guard to take many classic CSM units. So, no Heldrakes, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Vindicators, Havocs, Chosen, and no bikes just to name a few.

But, you can still take the bikes with a detachment of regular CSM with basically any legion you want to choose. In the CSM codex they specifically mention that the many troops of legions who are "Chaos Undivided" can pledge themselves to any god. You can have nurgle bikers no problem, they just won't be Death Guard.

Well if you look at the WD pics, he has 2 variants to his weapon. One with blue smoke coming out, one without smoke. Its funny how every release people are shocked and rage that its so expensive.

So, forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I'm assuming that is a DG vindicator in that shot?

Hasn't it been said that Vindis are a little "meh" in this edition?

Has anyone seen the stats for the DG vindi yet?

 matphat wrote:
So, forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I'm assuming that is a DG vindicator in that shot?

Hasn't it been said that Vindis are a little "meh" in this edition?

Has anyone seen the stats for the DG vindi yet?

That is the Plaugesomething Crawler or some such. Looks like a Sturmtiger's gun!

Guess I'll just get a Daemon Prince and Typhus. I don't know what I expected price-wise, but Mortarion is out of my price range for a single figure.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 matphat wrote:
So, forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I'm assuming that is a DG vindicator in that shot?

Hasn't it been said that Vindis are a little "meh" in this edition?

Has anyone seen the stats for the DG vindi yet?

That is the Plaugesomething Crawler or some such. Looks like a Sturmtiger's gun!

Ah! Fantastic. So we can expect a new stat line and unique profile I suppose? Can't complain there. Also, bummed they have it so obscured in the picture. Would love to see it in profile.


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 MrVulcanator wrote:
Guess I'll just get a Daemon Prince and Typhus. I don't know what I expected price-wise, but Mortarion is out of my price range for a single figure.

Hate to say it, but I'm with you. That's an amazing center piece, but I can't justify that price. Bummed.

 Malika2 wrote:
Is it just me, or does the Mortarion kit provide the extra pistols so that you could make a Mortarion with two pistols?

You need to think bigger. Dualwielding Scythes!

Qlanth wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
GW, call me when I can buy multi-pose kits. Don't you like money? My birthday is in early October.

PS: I haven't dived into the army composition stuff for 40k 8th so far, what with the Codizes coming out amd changing listsy anyway. There won't be Death Guard bikes I bet. I have five Nurgle bikers and an Apotecary on bike. How do I square them with also using the Death Guard (not Nurgle! Sigh) characters from DI in one army? I'm fine with Nurgle CSM and count-as characters or ally DG chars (if there are decent approximations) or ally bikers in a DG list. I just want to use my "industrialised warfare" WW1-styled bikers to outflank enemy forces ground to a halt by massed infantry assaults.

I think you might be hosed on the bikes. They are re-branding Death Guard as their own, brand new army and they have removed the ability for Death guard to take many classic CSM units. So, no Heldrakes, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Vindicators, Havocs, Chosen, and no bikes just to name a few.

But, you can still take the bikes with a detachment of regular CSM with basically any legion you want to choose. In the CSM codex they specifically mention that the many troops of legions who are "Chaos Undivided" can pledge themselves to any god. You can have nurgle bikers no problem, they just won't be Death Guard.

The Plague Crawler tank seem to have filled in the Vindicator slot, we might see DG havocs again (which did exist in older editions and are literally just Plague Marines with more special weapons), and the Deathshroud Terminators will pretty much be the DG Chosen equivallent (in rank if not in role).

It seems like most of the things removed are those that are fast, with the exception of the forge fiend (which is probably because DG now have the Bloat Drone to fill in for dakka daemon engines and probably because Mortarion isn't as chummy with Dark Mechanicus) which fits the playstyle. Now I"m just hoping the rules aren't gimped and we're left with the 8th edition equivallent of 5th edition T-sons.

Looks like Deathshroud are possibly bigger models and come in units of 3, while the normal termies are more usual size and come in units of 5. Interesting. I wander if the Deathshroud have more wounds or something to make up for it, or possibly those Destroyer Hives and wrist flamers and scythes will all make up for it. However they do it, I'm loving the distinction between normal termies and Mortarion's bodyguard.
Super excited to get my hands on the codex to see what they all do!

I'm also curious about those new characters.
One is some kind of Apothecary, maybe the same rule? Or maybe he makes people tougher or gives them better disgustingly resilient? Either way, he'll somehow make the army tougher, I'm pretty sure.
The one who seems to have a vat of vile liquid on his back, crafting a Blight grenade on the spot, makes me curious as to what he actually does. Does he let units lob extra grenades? Does he just lob a ton of grenades? I really have no idea what he'd be used for.


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 mrhappyface wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
He probably will be better than Magnus. Because otherwise everyone who already owns Magnus wouldn't bother buying Mortarion if he was worse.

Right then, here's a guess at Morty's rules since we're all just hanging about:

M*
WS 2+
BS 2+
S 8
T 8
W 20
A *
Ld 10
Sv 3+

Remaining wounds:
10-20+ 12" 5A
5-9 10" 4A
1-4 8" 3A

Melee Sx2 AP-4 D3 plague weapon

Range 18" S8 AP-4 Dd6 when in half range roll two dice for damage and pick the highest

DttFE

5+ invul, 5+ DR

Re-roll hit rolls of a 1 for friendly DeathGuard units and friendly Death Guard units gain +1 to their DR rolls (or maybe just re-roll failed DR rolls?) within 7"

Psyker, can manifest 2 powers from Dark hereticus, Death Guard and Smite.


Does that seem like a good prediction to anyone?

As we're having fun with this:
I think he may have something like Magnus' plus to power manifestation. Except it'll be to DR. So he'll have 3+ DR which will get worse as he gets hurt. Then again, that's probably way too powerful. But I'm still guessing he's going to have something along those lines.

Re-roll 1's to hit and 1's for DR within 7" I assume too.

Maybe 21 wounds, to be a multiple of 7.

He may have S7 with a x2S weapon, making it 14 strength (because multiples of 7) but have flat 3 dmg.

I think his pistol is pretty much going to be a plasma pistol but maybe with longer range and more shots, and overheats just cause a mortal wound.

Also looks like he's a got a form of Typhus' Destroyer Hive on his back.

T8 is surely a given. I really hope so anyway. But maybe if he does have something similar to the ability I mentioned above, T7 could balance that a little.

Also, I noticed that the balls hanging off chains all over him aren't censors but in fact bombs of some kind. So perhaps some anti-charging ability too? Or they do dmg to people while he's in melee with them? He's got two strapped to his waste too.

 matphat wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 matphat wrote:
So, forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I'm assuming that is a DG vindicator in that shot?

Hasn't it been said that Vindis are a little "meh" in this edition?

Has anyone seen the stats for the DG vindi yet?

That is the Plaugesomething Crawler or some such. Looks like a Sturmtiger's gun!

Ah! Fantastic. So we can expect a new stat line and unique profile I suppose? Can't complain there. Also, bummed they have it so obscured in the picture. Would love to see it in profile.

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 MrVulcanator wrote:
Guess I'll just get a Daemon Prince and Typhus. I don't know what I expected price-wise, but Mortarion is out of my price range for a single figure.

Hate to say it, but I'm with you. That's an amazing center piece, but I can't justify that price. Bummed.

Looks more like one of these to me, just with a demolisher cannon instead.

I like the apothecarie and the fluid dude. I will get them together with the tallyman. They look interesting for me.
But I will probably pass on Morty and look for a much cheaper proxy for him.

Also the 3 brethren are a joke for 32,50€. The easy to builds where 4€ per model, which was already expensive for monopose. But this 3 dudes are just ridiciulous as each of them costs as much as one complete easy to build set.

 matphat wrote:


Ah! Fantastic. So we can expect a new stat line and unique profile I suppose? Can't complain there. Also, bummed they have it so obscured in the picture. Would love to see it in profile..

We've had a few different shots of it so far, it's interesting, has a weird curved shape. Also, is an actual artillery weapon so we have a whirlwind equivalent than isn't forgeworld maybe.

I am a bit disappointed that the Codex and Morty are released without a full supporting release immediately following. It will give me a chance to get Morty assembled and painted before the next wave arrives.

The “Plague Brethren” cost 25 US dollars more than one should pay for.
Just compare with the other 3 already available.
It looks unreal.

Yeah that's an exceptionally oddball price point. No one would or should pay $40 for three plastic space marines.

 Elbows wrote:
Yeah that's an exceptionally oddball price point. No one would or should pay $40 for three plastic space marines.

I don't understand. It almost looks like they created a 10 plague marines box with less options (no more than 1 weapon per type) and then tried to sell the another Melta guy (plus add-ons) for 40$.
I wait and see the options in the box but these prices will kill the Death Guard frenzy for many.


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 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

But I will probably pass on Morty and look for a much cheaper proxy for him.

Well even the FW one is cheaper. What a time to be alive..

Why in God's name would anyone pay AUD$70 for 3 mono-pose Marines and a White Dwarf article?

I think the helmets in those guys are pretty dope, the Melta-guy helmet specially. But paying HQ prices for 3 slighly different marines than the monoposes from the Starter?

That "panflet" with "Designer's notes" better be like, I don't knoow. 150 pages long minimun.

 Galas wrote:

That "panflet" with "Designer's notes" better be like, I don't knoow. 150 pages long minimun.

Let's be brutally honest here: nobody gives about the book. Everyone wants the smelly marines, nowadays sources about fluff are omnipresent. And GW writing is abysmally bad these days.
We could possibly don't want to know the designer's thought processes, ignorance is bliss. Come on, you know I am right.

So we would pay more something with a book with no value. Meh. Better wait and see if GW regains a bit of sanity.. maybe the models will be available later without booklets for a lesser price.

One could argue that this is GW testing how much can exploit impulse buyers. I hope people keep their cool and give them a lesson.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why in God's name would anyone pay AUD$70 for 3 mono-pose Marines and a White Dwarf article?

Well it's not like Australian Dollars are a real currency, pfff.