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Yeah. The Beasts of nurgle are like happy puppys. Big, deadly happy puppys.
Why should exist beasts of nurgle that where different? Just to be more "dark" and "deadly"? It isn't their lore.

That's actually the lore behind the Plague Flies! Beasts of nurgle who have grown bitter and undergo a metamorphosis to something worse to hunt their old playmates down.

I think I'm going to have more fun paying for the Mortarion 30k figure adding wings and all that kind of fun jazz then to pay $140 bucks for that.

Many of Nurgle's daemons are filled with the joy of spreading his gift across the galaxy.
They love it, except Plaguebearers, who are miserable bastards.

I am hoping the new GUO is one happy bastard.

At least in the Black Library fluff they are supported as generally happy gits. All the GUO sound like they are having a grand old time! Even going as far back as "Space Wolf". Look at the Nurgling on the new Horticulous model, despite being used as bait he seems pretty happy.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
hell, the poxwalkers are all smiling so something must be fun on the other side of that rift.

This exemplifies why I can see that someone might suffer from theme overload. GW has a habit of narrowing and doubling down on a specific aspect. It can get overwhelming. Like with the Poxwalkers, would it kill them to sculpt some without the idiot smile and embody the grim outlook of death and decay, not just the joyous side of Nurgle?

I can see how there's room for criticism. Nurglings are still supposed to have nasty teeth and nasty habits. Laughing and bouncing while they eat you is well and good, but again there is just so much focus on the comic relief part that any other aspect of their character becomes neglected. And for that lack of diversity in portrayal, is it any wonder if someone comes and says it's "cutesy trash"?

Why would they embody the "grim outlook of death and decay"? Nurgle has always been joyous. It's probably the only thing that survived the decade of XTREME GRIMDARKNESS (2007-2017, R.I.P.)
Perhaps the Nurgle aesthetic isn't for you if you don't like 35 years of it?

TFW someone thinks the period of time when 40K was being made steadily more heroic and less grimdark in tone culminating in the present storyline where Primarchs punch baddies in the face alonside their Spacier Space Marines was "XTREME GRIMDARKNESS"

 Yodhrin wrote:


TFW someone thinks the period of time when 40K was being made steadily more heroic and less grimdark in tone culminating in the present storyline where Primarchs punch baddies in the face alonside their Spacier Space Marines was "XTREME GRIMDARKNESS"

Not sure I'd run it up to 2017 (except with FW & Black Library perhaps), but there was a trend in those years when 40K (nearly) lost its grimdark Sherlock Obiwan Clousseau roots and tried to Nolan-Batman-grim-no-irony the whole thing to pretty pathetic and disastrous effect, nearly losing everything that made it unique.

Remnants still exist. Black Library not too long ago put out a 12-book series on Orks without a single orky joke in them .. everything straight-face-Heresy-style-very-very-serious. Let's hope we never see those days again.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


TFW someone thinks the period of time when 40K was being made steadily more heroic and less grimdark in tone culminating in the present storyline where Primarchs punch baddies in the face alonside their Spacier Space Marines was "XTREME GRIMDARKNESS"

Not sure I'd run it up to 2017 (except with FW & Black Library perhaps), but there was a trend in those years when 40K (nearly) lost its grimdark Sherlock Obiwan Clousseau roots and tried to Nolan-Batman-grim-no-irony the whole thing to pretty pathetic and disastrous effect, nearly losing everything that made it unique.

Remnants still exist. Black Library not too long ago put out a 12-book series on Orks without a single orky joke in them .. everything straight-face-Heresy-style-very-very-serious. Let's hope we never see those days again.

Are you talking about the Beast thing? Because the whole storyline was the punchline. PrimeOrk or whatever? If that isn't Orky nonsense, what is?!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Are you talking about the Beast thing? Because the whole storyline was the punchline. PrimeOrk or whatever? If that isn't Orky nonsense, what is?!

Ok. The PrimeOrk wordplay was fun. But hardly the punchline of the story. More the last-second-not-really-twist of a slasher movie. We killed the bad guy! No we didn't, there're more of them. Scream did it better in the 90s and it hardly made up for 11 1/2 books of Prequel-George-Lucas-Style-Space-Diplomacy-Meetings and forced Heresy Easter Eggs.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Are you talking about the Beast thing? Because the whole storyline was the punchline. PrimeOrk or whatever? If that isn't Orky nonsense, what is?!

Ok. The PrimeOrk wordplay was fun. But hardly the punchline of the story. More the last-second-not-really-twist of a slasher movie. We killed the bad guy! No we didn't, there're more of them. Scream did it better in the 90s and it hardly made up for 11 1/2 books of Prequel-George-Lucas-Style-Space-Diplomacy-Meetings and forced Heresy Easter Eggs.

6th edition of Warhammer Fantasy was pretty famous for is GRIMDARK EVERYTHING!

Bretonnia transform from the idealistic medieval france version of 5th edition with noble knights and ladys and peasants that with honour and valor become knights and nobles, to a medieval hellhole where the nobles had a 90% tax in the peasants and everyone was poor and die all the time. The same happened to Wood Elves.

They changed that with 8th edition, infamous for his "No guys, Dark Elves aren't bad guys, they are just Misunderstood. Plus Malekith was the real Phoenix King all along!"

The problem is not if it is grimdark or not grimdark. Is when they lost sight of their roots and take itself very seriously as Wonderwolf said. Grimdark doesn't mean that everything is bad and very very serious. Is darkness in a hyperbolic and ironic way.

Big fan the massive Mortarian model (I love it as much as I love Archaon on his multiheaded dragon thing, and the Greater Daemon of Tzeentch kit....Sadly, also like those other large-expensive kits...I don't love it enough to drop that much cash on a single model. Same will also likely go for the rumored Greater Daemon of Nurgle....

The slug guy is super sweet. Dangerous and dark enough, while still a bit tongue-in-cheek. I actually love the execution. I already have the Getting Started with Nurgle box though, and don't need/want any Sigmarines, so all that tax doesn't make grabbing the box anywhere close to worth it for me. I suppose ebay will be the best place to grab him...assuming it will be cheaper than buying him individually (when and if they release him packaged solo).

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

What is rule number 1?

FudgeDumper wrote:


[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

There is a lot to unpack in this post right here.

Thommy H wrote:


There is a lot to unpack in this post right here.

Yup. Not sure what all the homophobia is about.

The irony, however, is that the world's most recognizable wargaming product in the world's arguably best-known wargame, the Space Marine, has been designed by Jes Goodwin & co. explicitly drawing (among other things) on Anime.

As Jes Goodwin wrote for example on the release of plastic Terminators in 2005 (emphasis mine).

This recent overhaul of the Terminator design brings it into line with progress made in appearance of the Space Marines in general. The suit is now bigger and takes on the “Anime” proportions bestowed on the rest of the range – longer legs, wider shoulders and a bigger chest. The larger bases and plastic component nature of the hard copies allows for more versatile poses especially in the legs giving the suits more dynamism. The hip shields are inherited from the new Grey Knight designs.

 Galas wrote:

They changed that with 8th edition, infamous for his "No guys, Dark Elves aren't bad guys, they are just Misunderstood. Plus Malekith was the real Phoenix King all along!"

Oh but this never happened. LALALALALALA CANNOT HEAR YOU!

 dan2026 wrote:
Many of Nurgle's daemons are filled with the joy of spreading his gift across the galaxy.
They love it, except Plaguebearers, who are miserable bastards.

I am hoping the new GUO is one happy bastard.

Well Plaguebearers are basically Nurgle"s accountants, so it makes sense.

nobody else finds it weird that the Deathshroud (Or, if you want to be picky, Death Guard Giant Scythe Wielding Terminators Who May Or May Not Be Deathshroud) have gone from wearing Tartaros armour to wearing Cataphractii armour?

(I know the HH rules allow you to WYSIWYG terminator marks, but model-wise)

As Papa Nurgle's lore...

Didn't he imprison an Eldar goddess and continues to be infatuated with her?

 whembly wrote:
As Papa Nurgle's lore...

Didn't he imprison an Eldar goddess and continues to be infatuated with her?

Yarp.

Charax wrote:
nobody else finds it weird that the Deathshroud (Or, if you want to be picky, Death Guard Giant Scythe Wielding Terminators Who May Or May Not Be Deathshroud) have gone from wearing Tartaros armour to wearing Cataphractii armour?

(I know the HH rules allow you to WYSIWYG terminator marks, but model-wise)

Yeah a bit. But honestly it probably works better this way in 8th at least. Those guys are deepstriking or piling in a land raider, so the movement bonus/penalty hardly matters. The extra protection is very welcome however.

FudgeDumper wrote:
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

What is rule number 1?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Many of Nurgle's daemons are filled with the joy of spreading his gift across the galaxy.
They love it, except Plaguebearers, who are miserable bastards.

I am hoping the new GUO is one happy bastard.

Well Plaguebearers are basically Nurgle"s accountants, so it makes sense.

Oh that's right, they spend their time keeping track of who got killed by what disease.
Even for a demon of decay and despair that sounds boring.

Also, this is sorta on topic, what's GW's policy on review copies of codices in general? I ask because we had a couple reviews out before the codices were on preorder last time (albeit barely). Can we expect that again? Or was that a fluke?

 Galas wrote:
Bretonnia transform from the idealistic medieval france version of 5th edition with noble knights and ladys and peasants that with honour and valor become knights and nobles, to a medieval hellhole where the nobles had a 90% tax in the peasants and everyone was poor and die all the time. The same happened to Wood Elves.

Actually, that was kinda reverting to the original depiction of Bretonnia before 5th.

Don't know why Morty is being so poorly received. I think the model looks awesome and fitting to the Nurgle theme. I think the paint scheme does not do the model any justice and is too bright. I also have a feeling they will give different head options. I have an idea on the scheme I will paint him and I will probably end up removing some of the nurglins. I am excited to see the rules too. Morty is a badass in 30k with his redeployment ability and silences' strength is certain situations. Morty is pretty bad at primarch v. Primarch, but man does he tear apart squads like they are nothing. I hope he plays a similar role in 40k.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

What is rule number 1?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Many of Nurgle's daemons are filled with the joy of spreading his gift across the galaxy.
They love it, except Plaguebearers, who are miserable bastards.

I am hoping the new GUO is one happy bastard.

Well Plaguebearers are basically Nurgle"s accountants, so it makes sense.

Oh that's right, they spend their time keeping track of who got killed by what disease.
Even for a demon of decay and despair that sounds boring.

Well they are a dour folk mostly as a result. More serious, less cheerful. There's a reason why by comparison the Zombies, the nurglings, the beasts, and the GUO are the most friendly, while the Bloatflies and the Plaguebearers the most sour of the group.

SilverAlien wrote:
Also, this is sorta on topic, what's GW's policy on review copies of codices in general? I ask because we had a couple reviews out before the codices were on preorder last time (albeit barely). Can we expect that again? Or was that a fluke?

There'll be an embargo on reviews, no doubt. General rule of thumb on embargoes is if you break it to score geek points... well, don't expect a free review copy next time, eh?

O'Shovah's Desciple wrote:
Don't know why Morty is being so poorly received. I think the model looks awesome and fitting to the Nurgle theme. I think the paint scheme does not do the model any justice and is too bright. I also have a feeling they will give different head options. I have an idea on the scheme I will paint him and I will probably end up removing some of the nurglins. I am excited to see the rules too. Morty is a badass in 30k with his redeployment ability and silences' strength is certain situations. Morty is pretty bad at primarch v. Primarch, but man does he tear apart squads like they are nothing. I hope he plays a similar role in 40k.

I lot of people prefered the old stick thin, grim reaper Mortarion. To be honest, I would have quite liked to see an updated version of the Grim Reaper Morty, would have been interesting.

Saying that, I don't like the Morty model because I don't like the look of any of the new DG models: the paint scheme was god awful but even with different paint schemes I haven't been able to bring myself to get any of them. I can't really describe it but there is something about every single model GW has released in 8th ed that doesn't sit right with me, I'll have to see how they handle some different factions.

$50 can. for 3 plastic Plague Marines? Seriously GW? That's crazy.

 Nocturnus wrote:
$50 can. for 3 plastic Plague Marines? Seriously GW? That's crazy.

And a White Dwarf article! Don't forget it comes with that too.

Some completionist will bite, like the ultra expensive Videogame deluxe editions that give you... 3-4 cosmetic items. 98% of the people will see that and say "What a piece of BS", but some is gonna buy it. So the company loses 0 by trying.