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 Colpicklejar wrote:
Cloud of Flies is easily one of the best stratagems in the game right now. The automatic explosion one is also great. And much more reliable than orbital bombardment, nurgle's rot, etc
Automatic explosions just sound wonderful. I may or may not always save command points in casual games to reroll explosions. I don't even care if the vehicle blowing up is surrounded in my own guys..I just want things to blow up.

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Sokhar wrote:
His aura isn't his warlord trait any more than Guilliman's is. Special characters get assigned a warlord trait available to other characters, but the rules for said trait aren't spelled out in the entry. It's an assumption that Mortarion gets Revoltingly Resilient, but it seems a reasonably safe one. If Mortarion of all people don't deserve that, who would? That alone is another decent bump to his durability, and on the off-chance that he got an aura for Death Guard like Magnus did (say re-rolling 1's on DR) then you actually WOULD see Mortarion with the sort of durability we were expecting.


Just a guess but Typhus is also known for being extremely resilient. A large part of his lore is his otherworldly ability to survive things that would have killed lesser men like leaping on top of grenades and walking away. This is thanks in large part to his latent psychic abilities which he tried to hide.

It would make a lot of sense, fluff-wise, for Typhus to be extremely resilient.
   
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Sokhar wrote:
His aura isn't his warlord trait any more than Guilliman's is. Special characters get assigned a warlord trait available to other characters, but the rules for said trait aren't spelled out in the entry. It's an assumption that Mortarion gets Revoltingly Resilient, but it seems a reasonably safe one. If Mortarion of all people don't deserve that, who would? That alone is another decent bump to his durability, and on the off-chance that he got an aura for Death Guard like Magnus did (say re-rolling 1's on DR) then you actually WOULD see Mortarion with the sort of durability we were expecting.


I actually think it's not super likely morty gets that warlord trait, and if you read the fluff blurb you'll see why. Morty isn't really exceptionally bloated etc, he's actually one of the only DG who kept his original proportions weirdly enough. But that's just a guess, could mean nothing.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if their is a "grim reaper" warlord trait that gives morale penalities or something and morty gets that. Or living plague even.



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Qlanth wrote:
Just a guess but Typhus is also known for being extremely resilient. A large part of his lore is his otherworldly ability to survive things that would have killed lesser men like leaping on top of grenades and walking away. This is thanks in large part to his latent psychic abilities which he tried to hide.

It would make a lot of sense, fluff-wise, for Typhus to be extremely resilient.


I think all three could fit typhus, though I think that one probably is the most likely of the three.

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Unfortunately, Warhammer Community dropped Mortarion and Typhus' warlord traits in the comment section....
Mortarion: Arch-Contaminator
Typhus: Living Plague.

I just don't get the way they do things....
   
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SilverAlien wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
Aww, infantry only


Which still isn't bad, it's really cheap and can let you advance something behind a wall of poxwalkers. I'm not entirely sure what unit would benefit from that I admit. Maybe deathshroud?


Deathshrouds will probably get deepstrike. If we really get a DG Havoc equivalent (and in true DG fashion it's heavy weapon options have miserable range) this good be a good target for the strategem
   
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From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"

   
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 mmzero252 wrote:
 Colpicklejar wrote:
Cloud of Flies is easily one of the best stratagems in the game right now. The automatic explosion one is also great. And much more reliable than orbital bombardment, nurgle's rot, etc
Automatic explosions just sound wonderful. I may or may not always save command points in casual games to reroll explosions. I don't even care if the vehicle blowing up is surrounded in my own guys..I just want things to blow up.


Oh goodness detonate sounds like hilarious fun with like a hellbrute or a sucide rhino.

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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"

I wonder if DG will get a legion trait on top of DR...

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Will Typhus get Living Plague even if he is not your Warlord or does he just auto-takes it if he is?
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"

I wonder if DG will get a legion trait on top of DR...


That is sure what it sounds like. It would be strange if there simply wasn't one at all.
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"

I wonder if DG will get a legion trait on top of DR...
They said they would go over several universal rules Thursday
   
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Sokhar wrote:
Unfortunately, Warhammer Community dropped Mortarion and Typhus' warlord traits in the comment section....
Mortarion: Arch-Contaminator
Typhus: Living Plague.

I just don't get the way they do things....

So, now we really need to hope that Silence is a plague weapon.

-1T and re-rolling wounds....
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"

I wonder if DG will get a legion trait on top of DR...


They posted "We'll be revisiting the Death Guard with a look at Psychic Powers and some of the universal special traits on Thursday."

I assume all Death Guard infantry and DPs have DR. So maybe it is +1 to DR for infantry and DPs? I don't think it will be -1 to hit because Raven Guard and Alpha Legion already have that. Morale immunity wouldn't help Poxwalkers.

   
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 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"


Huh I think I totally called it. The damage from his attacks will totally spill over. Also, 15 new units. Does that include all the stuff we've seen already? So maybe 4 units we haven't seen/hearted of from any pictures or posts yet?
   
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 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"


Okay math time, 15 new units

7 characters, including morty, our apothecary, etc

Deathshroud
Generic terminators maybe? (They weren't in the index so may be "new" with special options)
Plagueburst crawler
Maybe another crawler variant that counts as a different unit

That's at least 4 more units we don't know about that aren't characters, unless I'm forgetting something. That's really nice.

DR isn't our chapter tactic, which is good. Means we will get something else. I'd been assuming but good to confirm.

Not sure about morty's warlord trait. That's a good trait for more passive commander, he wants to be in the thick of it however. I suppose it really solidifies his role as being the spearhead of a melee focused DG army, to keep lots of plague weapons near him and also benefit from his aura.I'm going to remain skeptical of morty as a horde killer considering the sort of things they've called character killers previously, like the numerous psychic powers and stratagems with almost no range. It would be a welcome addition if he were however.

Typhus got the worst of the three warlord traits, eh what can you do?
   
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SilverAlien wrote:
 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"


Okay math time, 15 new units

7 characters, including morty, our apothecary, etc

Deathshroud
Generic terminators maybe? (They weren't in the index so may be "new" with special options)
Plagueburst crawler
Maybe another crawler variant that counts as a different unit

That's at least 4 more units we don't know about that aren't characters, unless I'm forgetting something. That's really nice.

DR isn't our chapter tactic, which is good. Means we will get something else. I'd been assuming but good to confirm.

Not sure about morty's warlord trait. That's a good trait for more passive commander, he wants to be in the thick of it however. I suppose it really solidifies his role as being the spearhead of a melee focused DG army, to keep lots of plague weapons near him and also benefit from his aura.I'm going to remain skeptical of morty as a horde killer considering the sort of things they've called character killers previously, like the numerous psychic powers and stratagems with almost no range. It would be a welcome addition if he were however.

Typhus got the worst of the three warlord traits, eh what can you do?


I'm inclined to agree about Typhus, but I guess he's already a very solid character.

I came to the same conclusion about the 4 unseen units too, I'm pretty keen to see what these are

I'm really happy DR isn't our Legion tactic and am pretty excited for Thursday. I have no idea what it'll be. Seeing as DG seem to have a fetish for mortal wounds, I wouldn't be surprised if more were chucked in there haha.

Luckily for me, I'm prepping to make a melee heavy list with Morty leading the charge, so it seems like it's a good fit for me. No idea if that'll be any good but it'll definitely look cool haha.
   
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SilverAlien wrote:
 Virules wrote:
From the 40k FB Page:
-"Mortarion himself is perhaps one of the best horde-killers in the game with Silence"
-"There's 15(!) new units in the Codex"
-"Mortarion has Arch Contaminator (which makes him pretty great as a lynchpin in a larger army, as he should be!) and Typhus has Living Plague"
-"Disgustingly Resilient isn't strictly speaking a Legion Trait but it is common to several units like Plague Marines"


Okay math time, 15 new units

7 characters, including morty, our apothecary, etc

Deathshroud
Generic terminators maybe? (They weren't in the index so may be "new" with special options)
Plagueburst crawler
Maybe another crawler variant that counts as a different unit

That's at least 4 more units we don't know about that aren't characters, unless I'm forgetting something. That's really nice.

DR isn't our chapter tactic, which is good. Means we will get something else. I'd been assuming but good to confirm.

Not sure about morty's warlord trait. That's a good trait for more passive commander, he wants to be in the thick of it however. I suppose it really solidifies his role as being the spearhead of a melee focused DG army, to keep lots of plague weapons near him and also benefit from his aura.I'm going to remain skeptical of morty as a horde killer considering the sort of things they've called character killers previously, like the numerous psychic powers and stratagems with almost no range. It would be a welcome addition if he were however.

Typhus got the worst of the three warlord traits, eh what can you do?
we are still missing 3 traits.

Morty could do wonders with mass of Plague Marine wielding all the Plague Weapons
   
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Well, Typhus' new Warlord Trait is at least better than what he had last edition .
   
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Qlanth wrote:
Sokhar wrote:
Unfortunately, Warhammer Community dropped Mortarion and Typhus' warlord traits in the comment section....
Mortarion: Arch-Contaminator
Typhus: Living Plague.

I just don't get the way they do things....

So, now we really need to hope that Silence is a plague weapon.

-1T and re-rolling wounds....


Still, think about that force multiplication.

Every enemy unit within 7" of Morty have -1 T and all Plague Weapons within 7" of him reroll all failed wounds. I think there is a lot of potential here.

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i guess it fits the fluff somewhat but the plethora of mortal wounds the DG are looking to chuck out seems a bit meh, (i have a massive DG army) its just not fun to be on the end of it and is shaping up to be a lazy mechanic in 8th to represent something 'strong'.

I'm also seeing stratagems (in general) forming into 3 or so great ones you'll use almost every turn and a bunch that are meh or just very situational.

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 Latro_ wrote:
i guess it fits the fluff somewhat but the plethora of mortal wounds the DG are looking to chuck out seems a bit meh, (i have a massive DG army) its just not fun to be on the end of it and is shaping up to be a lazy mechanic in 8th to represent something 'strong'.

I'm also seeing stratagems (in general) forming into 3 or so great ones you'll use almost every turn and a bunch that are meh or just very situational.



Really? I like it. We have basically a version of D weapons that can be scaled up and down based on the power of the weapon. If anything, it is pretty fantastic.

   
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I suppose DR will just be a rule that some models have in that case. It'd make sense that all the marine infantry would have it, along with older units being buffed up to t5 with a bonus points cost. But I feel pretty sure that if older marine units (like basic lords, sorcerers and possessed) are in the codex still, they won't get dr or t5. Seems like the kind of dumb thing that GW would go out of it's way to do.

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 Latro_ wrote:
i guess it fits the fluff somewhat but the plethora of mortal wounds the DG are looking to chuck out seems a bit meh, (i have a massive DG army) its just not fun to be on the end of it and is shaping up to be a lazy mechanic in 8th to represent something 'strong'.

I'm also seeing stratagems (in general) forming into 3 or so great ones you'll use almost every turn and a bunch that are meh or just very situational.



I think they just like highlighting them. The practical application of all of them in game will be much different than the article implies.
   
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I have to say...I like the Death Guard stuff so far. Maybe even enough to consider going back to the Death Guard army I originally planned (albeit with alternate models). It's hugely thematic and sounds really devastating in the right ways. It's all quite thematic sounding thus far --- something I'm happy to see.

And damn...the mortal wounds sound really dangerous.
   
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Okay so more math time:

WD says we are getting 33 datasheets with 7 new characters.

Facebook says 15 new units

Index was 21 units, 22 with palaquin sorcerer which was faq'd in. 23 if we include plague bearers.

So we can logically assume 18 old datasheets and 15 new ones, meaning we lose 5 datasheets from the index.

What's weird about that is I have no idea what we are losing. Losing both mounted HQs would be expected, which still leaves us with three more missing units. If it were four I'd assume we lost all our generic lords and sorcerers, but that doesn't quite work here.

Anyone got any ideas?

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 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
I suppose DR will just be a rule that some models have in that case. It'd make sense that all the marine infantry would have it, along with older units being buffed up to t5 with a bonus points cost. But I feel pretty sure that if older marine units (like basic lords, sorcerers and possessed) are in the codex still, they won't get dr or t5. Seems like the kind of dumb thing that GW would go out of it's way to do.


Note they confirmed generic demon princes do get DR, which bodes well for other generic HQs, assuming they haven't been removed.

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Darnit I misread Cloud of Flies. I thought it said the opponent could only shoot that specific unit (as long as it was the closest) turning it into defence for the rest , but it's actually protection for the unit. Meh. Who needs to protect infantry, everyone will be targeting Mortarion anyway.

Love the exploding vehicle one though.


Not too impressed with Mortarion. Was just imagining how he'd fair in my DG against my Harlequins. He'd probably be moving around, frustratingly trying to get anything into his aura to then be instantly deleted by fusion pistols.
Trying to use his warlord trait to boost the effectiveness of melee plague marines around him, but then the marines never actually reach melee until theyre charged and deleted.

Melee focus without mobility seems hard to pull off and easy to play around for the opponent.
I'm sceptical but I might be missing obvious powerplays here

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SilverAlien wrote:
Okay so more math time:

WD says we are getting 33 datasheets with 7 new characters.

Facebook says 15 new units

Index was 21 units, 22 with palaquin sorcerer which was faq'd in. 23 if we include plague bearers.

So we can logically assume 18 old datasheets and 15 new ones, meaning we lose 5 datasheets from the index.

What's weird about that is I have no idea what we are losing. Losing both mounted HQs would be expected, which still leaves us with three more missing units. If it were four I'd assume we lost all our generic lords and sorcerers, but that doesn't quite work here.

Anyone got any ideas?

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 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
I suppose DR will just be a rule that some models have in that case. It'd make sense that all the marine infantry would have it, along with older units being buffed up to t5 with a bonus points cost. But I feel pretty sure that if older marine units (like basic lords, sorcerers and possessed) are in the codex still, they won't get dr or t5. Seems like the kind of dumb thing that GW would go out of it's way to do.


Note they confirmed generic demon princes do get DR, which bodes well for other generic HQs, assuming they haven't been removed.


Likely the Lord and Sorcerer. If those don't get changed then they won't be in the codex. It would also mean we could take them still as units available the Index are still valid to take if you don't have an updated version.
   
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Arch Contaminator seems...useless or am I missing something?
I thought plague weapons can already reroll failed to wound and that you cannot reroll a reroll.
   
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Seito O wrote:
Arch Contaminator seems...useless or am I missing something?
I thought plague weapons can already reroll failed to wound and that you cannot reroll a reroll.


Re-roll all vs Re-roll 1's.

   
 
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