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SilverAlien wrote:
Fair enough. I'm just hoping we get some actual juicy stuff today.

But yeah, honestly I've been surprised how many people looking forward to DG weren't even aware of the new PM stuff in the CSM codex. I suppose a lot of them really did plan to drop their generic CSM units going forward and didn't get the book.

Quite possible, I've seen so many people just say Plague Knives, Blight Launcher, and Plague Swords are the only plague weapons and that's just.. quite wrong given that they added like 10+ new options to Plague Marines.

yup, my chaos collection (marines/daemons) has always been mono-nurgle...so, from my perspective, knowing a death guard codex is imminent, why bother with the cover-all CSM dex?

I was mono nurgle Daemons only, but i'm making room for some mankymarines to ally up with

I now have a ton of CSM units that cant be used with DG any more so I'm trying to figure out what I should do with them. I got the CSM codex to try and figure that out but I'm still no closer than before.

hmm...that is a point. I also have a few things that are no longer usable in a proper death guard army...I guess I could just hold onto them, pick up the CSM dex at some point, and start some other small CSM army...I have been tempted by night lords several times in the past, if only because I like how they look

Qlanth wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I doubled up Necrosis and Typhus for Poxwalker goodness. They were really darn tanky.

I got the Necrosius model recently and I've been considering using it but I really don't want to buy the whole Foreworld Index for just that one unit...

I guess the only solution is to buy more Forgeworld stuff...

I think Battlescribe may be able to help you with that.

Yeah that's the thing, mono nurgle armies pre 8th used bikers fairly heavily and likely had at least some havocs, raptors, obliterators, daemon engines, vindicators or heldrakes.

Honestly, considering I'm also planning to purchase a lot of new PMs to take advantage of the new options and because I prefer how they look, it's more accurate to say this is a brand new army with a couple of carry over units than a continuation of my previous army.

Things I will use from my old DG/nurgle collection: some PM, some HQ, predators, terminators, helbrutes and cultists. Oh and spawn I guess

Things I will likely add: new PM, poxwalkers, HQs/elite, deathshroud, maybe "normal" terminators depending on loadout, bloat flies, and the tank. Possibly even more if we haven't seen it all yet.

That's as much new stuff as old stuff, eventually at least. Considering how many models fall under the header of new character, probably a bit heavier in the new.

They're all still chaos space marines so anything with <Legion> can be Death Guard. I don't understand the importance of a specific unit being IN the new book. It's all the same thing since Deathguard is a subset of CSM just like Thousand Sons.

 Kirasu wrote:
They're all still chaos space marines so anything with <Legion> can be Death Guard. I don't understand the importance of a specific unit being IN the new book. It's all the same thing since Deathguard is a subset of CSM just like Thousand Sons.

No they cannot. The index and codex are both very explicit about the fact DG and tsons cannot be used to fill in <legion> on every unit. The index provides lists of units you can use it for, the CSM codex just says you can't use those keywords with the book.

You cannot have DG bikers, heldrakes, raptors, etc. It's made very clear that's not allowed.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
They're all still chaos space marines so anything with <Legion> can be Death Guard. I don't understand the importance of a specific unit being IN the new book. It's all the same thing since Deathguard is a subset of CSM just like Thousand Sons.

No they cannot. The index and codex are both very explicit about the fact DG and tsons cannot be used to fill in <legion> on every unit. The index provides lists of units you can use it for, the CSM codex just says you can't use those keywords with the book.

You cannot have DG bikers, heldrakes, raptors, etc. It's made very clear that's not allowed.

This is correct. In the Index there is a list of all the units DG can take and many are left out.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
They're all still chaos space marines so anything with <Legion> can be Death Guard. I don't understand the importance of a specific unit being IN the new book. It's all the same thing since Deathguard is a subset of CSM just like Thousand Sons.

No they cannot. The index and codex are both very explicit about the fact DG and tsons cannot be used to fill in <legion> on every unit. The index provides lists of units you can use it for, the CSM codex just says you can't use those keywords with the book.

You cannot have DG bikers, heldrakes, raptors, etc. It's made very clear that's not allowed.

Yeah nevermind, you're right. Forgot how incredibly restrictive TS and DG are for no reason compared to every other legion.

Well, the reason is "to make it more fluffy". Sorta. As people have said some of the restrictions are a bit arbitrary.

Yet "make it more fluffy" doesnt apply to the other 7 legions. Just the ones with separate books they want to sell you :p

 Kirasu wrote:
Yet "make it more fluffy" doesnt apply to the other 7 legions. Just the ones with separate books they want to sell you :p

Honestly I would not be shocked if we saw World Eaters and Emperor's Children get the same treatment before 8th edition is retired. They have already set it up so that they can take their respective "fluff" units as troop choices instead of elites. And they gave them their own Legion traits and Relics in the CSM book.

I'm not sure it will happen any time soon, but I bet it happens at some point.

The reason it's more restrictive is to push models...really. You can leave it up to the players to make it fluffy (as many will), but why encourage someone to buy one squad of plague marines, when you could say "well, if you like them...buy this whole army". It's just a sales-pitch driven decision, and logical from the company's side of things.

 Kirasu wrote:
Yet "make it more fluffy" doesnt apply to the other 7 legions. Just the ones with separate books they want to sell you :p

Well, that and because they want us to buy the new models they are releasing to fill all the holes in our army. Holes they themselves created.

I'm not going to lie, I'm okay with that if it means we get some much needed support and new units for chaos as a whole, and a couple extra subfactions are a good way to do it.

Of course, on reflection I suppose most of the things they are releasing aren't filling holes in our army left by the removal of units. That really only applies to the drones, who are our biker/raptor/Heldrake equivalent I guess, and the plagueburst crawler replacing the vindicator.

Technically I guess the PM are now supposed to replace chosen and havocs, but special weapon PM units were already a thing and no one uses melee equipped chosen.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/07/codex-focus-death-guard-part-2-special-rules-and-psychic-powers-sep-7gw-homepage-post-2/

Article up!

 Elbows wrote:
The reason it's more restrictive is to push models...really. You can leave it up to the players to make it fluffy (as many will), but why encourage someone to buy one squad of plague marines, when you could say "well, if you like them...buy this whole army". It's just a sales-pitch driven decision, and logical from the company's side of things.

Plus, if you don't restrict sub-factions... how exactly you make them? If DG could take all CSM can take but with other add-ons, they will be just CSM+1. That isn't how you do sub-factions.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/07/codex-focus-death-guard-part-2-special-rules-and-psychic-powers-sep-7gw-homepage-post-2/

Article up!

Also titled "Why we hate Black Legion and other reasons that your chapter abilities suck"

So old units aren't gettig DR (or obviously t5 either). Yeah sure, so my nurgle Lords are now weaker than my basic damn marines, AGAIN. What a pathetic excuse for a release.

Loving these new rules. Blades of Putrefaction on Poxwalkers seems strong. Love our Chapter Tactic too. Don't have to worry about those silly to hit modifiers. Also, longer-range, double-tapping plasma weapons!

Re: Necrosius - is there a model for him? Or are people using the generic Nurgle Sorceror from FW to represent him?


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 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
So old units aren't gettig DR (or obviously t5 either). Yeah sure, so my nurgle Lords are now weaker than my basic damn marines, AGAIN. What a pathetic excuse for a release.

Why not just make your Nurgle Lord a Lord of Contagion?

 puma713 wrote:


Re: Necrosius - is there a model for him? Or are people using the generic Nurgle Sorceror from FW to represent him?

The Latter

 puma713 wrote:
Loving these new rules. Blades of Putrefaction on Poxwalkers seems strong. Love our Chapter Tactic too. Don't have to worry about those silly to hit modifiers. Also, longer-range, double-tapping plasma weapons!

Re: Necrosius - is there a model for him? Or are people using the generic Nurgle Sorceror from FW to represent him?

The FW Nurgle Sorceror is Necrosius, just not listed by name. Same as the FW greater daemons being the named ones from the FW Index. He's a great model, gross and fun to paint.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/07/codex-focus-death-guard-part-2-special-rules-and-psychic-powers-sep-7gw-homepage-post-2/

Article up!

Putrescent Vitality+Typhus+Necrosius will make Poxwalkers fething broken... T5 S5 and every kill grows the unit....

What units do we have that would benefit from the heavy weapon buff the most?

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
What units do we have that would benefit from the heavy weapon buff the most?

Helbrutes. Also, a Havoc-type unit, if one exists.

Can Death Guard take the big FW dreadnoughts? The Leviathan in particular has some really nice heavy weapons that mainly suffer from having terrible range.

Dionysodorus wrote:
Can Death Guard take the big FW dreadnoughts? The Leviathan in particular has some really nice heavy weapons that mainly suffer from having terrible range.

They are not Helbrutes.

 puma713 wrote:
Loving these new rules. Blades of Putrefaction on Poxwalkers seems strong. Love our Chapter Tactic too. Don't have to worry about those silly to hit modifiers. Also, longer-range, double-tapping plasma weapons!

Re: Necrosius - is there a model for him? Or are people using the generic Nurgle Sorceror from FW to represent him?


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 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
So old units aren't gettig DR (or obviously t5 either). Yeah sure, so my nurgle Lords are now weaker than my basic damn marines, AGAIN. What a pathetic excuse for a release.

Why not just make your Nurgle Lord a Lord of Contagion?

I want to be able to take Lords in power armour, or in termie armour with other weapons. I also don't want to take some halfassed version that is for whatever reason weaker than the marines that he bloody leads. Is that too much to ask?

 puma713 wrote:
Loving these new rules. Blades of Putrefaction on Poxwalkers seems strong. Love our Chapter Tactic too. Don't have to worry about those silly to hit modifiers. Also, longer-range, double-tapping plasma weapons!

Re: Necrosius - is there a model for him? Or are people using the generic Nurgle Sorceror from FW to represent him?


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 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
So old units aren't gettig DR (or obviously t5 either). Yeah sure, so my nurgle Lords are now weaker than my basic damn marines, AGAIN. What a pathetic excuse for a release.

Why not just make your Nurgle Lord a Lord of Contagion?

The FW Nurgle sorc is Necrosis. They just didn't titel him that on their site. Just like they named all their greater deamons, etc