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 Dr.Duck wrote:


Get ready for the meganob/cent treatment. :(

Not what I had in mind More like an equivalent of this kit - and in addition to a 5-model DG Terminator kit



A versatile multipart DG Elite set if you will. Maybe even for building Lords of Contagion and Sorcerers?

Welp, if that's the case I'm glad I have an excess of Lords of Contagions.

with some scythes I can convert up some quick and dirty Deathshrouds without paying those prices.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
I don't understand people acting shocked/angry at DG Codex looking strong. Right now they are horrible. Why wouldn't they get a lot stronger?

What thread have you been reading through? The last 10 pages were people complaining about how Mortarion is bad, now people are saying that DG can be quite good. No one has been angry about DG being strong.

If you go to FB the Eldar players in those groups are crying up a storm. I've noticed an Eldar pattern. Not like an oppressively dominant faction that past two editions can't deal with other people actually being strong...

Well it's hard to mingle with the "common rabble" when you've been lording it over from Mount OP for two editions straight.

EDIT: Btw anyone excited at potentially MSU DG units with 3 plasma guns (one on champ, two on normal plaguies) rapid firing at 18" range? DG Havocs might be a thing again.

So just read some of the Facebook posts, couldn't find any Elder players complaining about how OP it was, saw one guy worried about codex creep but that was it (probably didn't sift through enough posts).

However, I did read one post by Warhammer40k that I thought was interesting: they said that contemptors and leviathans with the DEATH GUARD keyword get the legion tactic. So I'm guessing the wording on the tactic they released was a typo.

 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
There were a small few comments on the Facebook post asking if Lords and Sorcs have DR, but those seem to have all been deleted. GW trying to cover there tracks I'd presume, very bad sign.

It'll be so weird if we get a Death Guard Codex where Lords/Sorcs don't have basic Death Guard rules.

Opinions on plasma guns v blight launchers with the new trait?

I personally still think that the damage output of plas is unparalleled to any other type of weapon for the points. The only downside is the dying on a 1 it will depend on if we have easy access to auras that allow refills to ones. The S8, extra -1 to armor and static 2 damage is huge.

 Dr.Duck wrote:
I personally still think that the damage output of plas is unparalleled to any other type of weapon for the points. The only downside is the dying on a 1 it will depend on if we have easy access to auras that allow refills to ones. The S8, extra -1 to armor and static 2 damage is huge.

However, I think blight launchers will be great on units you want to assault with, as it gives you some nice shooting if you want to advance with the unit. I'd probably do blight launchers in a melee charging unit and the plasmas for objective cappers or just general 18" support

 Cephalobeard wrote:
RIP Black Legion, just completely worse in every way.

Except that they have Abaddon and can take bikes, havocs, heldrakes, rubrics, bezerkers, ec, and so on?

Yes, other than those things. Completely worse in every way.

With the news of the powers and trait today it has shifted my thinking a bit. I'm now leaning more toward Rhino Rush DG with heavy shooting from 18" out and deep-striking Terminators/Sorcs.

Actually, havocs with plasma guns are cheaper, but they are alot more fragile. Plague marines with plasma guns are more expensive, but are more likely to last longer.

Also, DG with plasma can load up with some cheapish melee weapons on the non plasma guys to deal with the inevitable charges.

I also admit the CT makes me feel better about using my existing plasma PM, though I still expect I'll use blight launcher units as well, particularly if our sarge gets he ability to equip a couple additional options such as the blight launcher which I'm really hoping for.

I think it depends on the army list. Would an opponent really want to charge into a 5 man squad of plasma plague marines? They don't do much melee damage, but they are a chore to kill. Wouldn't there be better targets?

Also, if you are bubble wrapping your army with pox walkers, they will need to get through the pox walker screen first before they can charge your plague marines. (And nowadays most good armies have some kind of bubble wrap).

Also, would an opposing army really want to get up close and personal with a DG army? Seems like that would be playing to its strengths.

So a unit of 14 Plague Marines armed with 2 Blight Launchers, 2 flails, 2 maces+axes, 7 axes and a champ with a fist and plasma gun comes to 395pts if I did the math right. That's not too bad when you chuck that behind a blob of 40 pox walkers (I'm fairly certain it'll happen in the Dex), and spend a CP to make the marines untargetable as they march up the table with a bell guy. Chuck the +1T power on the pox walkers for extra bullet sponging

If I wanted to go plasma spam with DG, I would go 6 squads of 5 man 3 plasma gun squads behind a blob of 40 pox walkers with a Daemon Prince right in the centre to give them rerolls to hit on a 1. So, thats 18 plasma guns on a very resilient platform which are shooting out 36 plasma shots consistently at range 18 inches every turn.

And I would rely on the pox walkers to keep dedicated melee way, and the Daemon Prince to counter charge any dangerous melee that got too close. I am not sure I want to take a squad and equip it with both ranged and melee special weapons. If you look at Chosen, nobody ever equips out a chosen squad like that even though the option is definitely there.

If you want to equip the plague marine squad for mostly CC, then I feel that dedicated melee units don't waste too much time shooting, they just want to get delivered to CC range as soon as possible and charge in. In your example, you are spending 395 points, plus another 240 points on the pox walker screen for the sake of having 2 blight launchers and 1 plasma gun to shoot at range... Definitely not worth it. Your big squad won't be able to charge anything worthwhile because its stuck behind the slow moving pox walkers.

I dont see a good way to use our chapter tactic on PM to be honest. Only 2 special range weapon really kills a spamming approach. I can see why people like the plasma route but I prefer double blight launcher if I would go for range shooting. With the amount of buffs we have their dmg output is not only on par with plas but you dont need to have a reroll character nearby just to avoid supercharge suicide.

You don't have to supercharge Plasma, you know...
Plague Marines with either 3plas or 2BL and 1 plas is probably the way to go for me. 18" Plasma is awesome. But 24" BL are also
I still don't see the CC usefulness of them, got Spawn, Brutes, Termis and Possessed for that. But we'll see what stratagems bring.

Right. You dont have to supercharge. But in that case there is no reason to take plas over blight since we got a lot of tools to buff and debuff. Maybe one have to think about making those bolters work^^

Iago40k wrote:
I dont see a good way to use our chapter tactic on PM to be honest. Only 2 special range weapon really kills a spamming approach. I can see why people like the plasma route but I prefer double blight launcher if I would go for range shooting. With the amount of buffs we have their dmg output is not only on par with plas but you dont need to have a reroll character nearby just to avoid supercharge suicide.

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Its 3 special weapons, not two. The Plague Marine Champion is allowed to replace his bolt gun with a plasma gun specifically.

I think 3 guys using plasma out of a group of 5 is a very decent number to have. The other two is abalative wounds. Now, the opponent has to think, if he tries to shoot that squad, he needs to kill off two tough normal plague marines before he starts to get to any of the plasma guys. And like what the above poster said, you don't have to overcharge if you don't want to risk rolling a 1. And well, like I said earlier, assuming the daemon prince aura doesn't change, then we have a character that helps us rerolls 1 already. (Or just use a normal chaos lord instead of a lord of contagion). The key thing is, its good to have that option. What if you have a big imperial knight that is on 4 wounds left? I would risk overcharging my plasma squads to kill it off then.

I think blight launcher and plasma gun both have their strengths are weaknesses. If you suddenly need to destroy a wounded imperial knight, then you would be glad you are using plasma guns which can overcharge to Str 8 rather than str 6 blight launchers. If you want to keep on moving at a good speed, so you want to advance move every turn, then blight launchers are better.

I dont disqualify plasma per se. Its just that 5 PM with 3 plas are pretty expensive for what you get compared to lets say elysian plas drop. Now is that a fair comparison? Maybe not. I am just looking for most bang for points here.

I'm mostly just looking for what will look cool on the table, and a big unit of cc Plague Marines marching up behind a horde of zombies lead by Mortarion sounds cool haha. I'm not the best competitive player. Mainly the Blight Launchers were chucked in there for some shooting, as they can shoot after advancing without penalty and the plasma on the sergeant just cos my model has it haha

Does anyone think we're likely to get any more info today (Friday) or will it just be some page pics with preorders and then wait a week for the book?

 jamesterjlrb wrote:
Does anyone think we're likely to get any more info today (Friday) or will it just be some page pics with preorders and then wait a week for the book?

Well, the mechanicus book goes up for pre-order next Saturday I'm pretty sure, so they'll probably do some posts about that next week. So we'll either get some more info tonight or tomorrow most likely. If not, sometime during the week between the mechanicus info. Cos they mentioned that they'll be talking about the termies in the last post they did, "very soon."

 jamesterjlrb wrote:
Does anyone think we're likely to get any more info today (Friday) or will it just be some page pics with preorders and then wait a week for the book?

Most (all?) of the last Codex preorder dates were coinciding with GW's NDA ending and people being able to post early Codex reviews on Friday/Saturday. I do not intend to drum up false hope. But it is likely that we will see videos of the DG book before release, if not tomorrow 10am UK time (in about 24h), when european preorders go up. Fingers crossed

Warhams-77 wrote:

 jamesterjlrb wrote:
Does anyone think we're likely to get any more info today (Friday) or will it just be some page pics with preorders and then wait a week for the book?

Most (all?) of the last Codex preorder dates were coinciding with GW's NDA ending and people being able to post early Codex reviews on Friday/Saturday. I do not intend to drum up false hope. But it is likely that we will see videos of the DG book before release, if not tomorrow 10am UK time (in about 24h), when european preorders go up. Fingers crossed

Well let's hope this is the case. full hype mode will be engaged

Hopefully people like WintersSEO have got their review copies already I will keep an eye on his channel

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCWVwkGrdqVEGkU3LNlp70fw

 rippounet wrote:
Damn, the absence of havocs is really bumming me out. I've got two units I painted 6 months ago. I thought the days when GW made you shelve some miniatures were over for some reason...

Yeah, I am a bit bummed about this as well. I always pictured my death guard loaded with heavy weapons much like their HH version.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hopefully people like WintersSEO have got their review copies already I will keep an eye on his channel

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCWVwkGrdqVEGkU3LNlp70fw

Looks like they were posted at times between 2300 and just past midnight UTC on friday night/ saturday morning of the preorder. NDA expiry is probably midnight uk time (so BST atm).

 Vash108 wrote:

 rippounet wrote:
Damn, the absence of havocs is really bumming me out. I've got two units I painted 6 months ago. I thought the days when GW made you shelve some miniatures were over for some reason...

Yeah, I am a bit bummed about this as well. I always pictured my death guard loaded with heavy weapons much like their HH version.

I suppose there is some good news?

Autocannons can probably substitute for the Heavy Flamer-esque Plague Spewer that Plague Marines can take in terms of appearance.
And Heavy Bolters are sort of convenient counts-as Blight Launchers.