Death Guard + Nurgle Daemons [News: Dec 30 - Jan 2018 WD with the new models]

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**mrhappyface**

Neronoxx wrote:
Guys, holy crap, maybe read the latest post before posting?
Because I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Tri-lobe rule.

Now the question is: is this intentional irony?

**Ebolatheripe**

Virules wrote:
Is there a list anywhere with the exact stratagems from CSM that carried over?

**mrhappyface**

I haven't seen anyone talk about artefacts yet, are they any good?

**Neronoxx**

mrhappyface wrote:
Neronoxx wrote:
Guys, holy crap, maybe read the latest post before posting?
Because I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Tri-lobe rule.

Now the question is: is this intentional irony?

No, it's the Tri-lobe rule.

**mrhappyface**

Neronoxx wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:
Neronoxx wrote:
Guys, holy crap, maybe read the latest post before posting?
Because I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Tri-lobe rule.

Now the question is: is this intentional irony?

No, it's the Tri-lobe rule.

Now is this a joke or do you not understand the irony? (hot damn I'm tired)

**RedFox**

Anyone know if Blightlord terminators can take power fists?

**casvalremdeikun**

Seriously though, who actually writes in their books?!

**Neronoxx**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Seriously though, who actually writes in their books?!

Savages.

**Qlanth**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Seriously though, who actually writes in their books?!

That's a clip from the Miniwargaming video. They are specifically looking for changes and stuff so it probably helps them sound more intelligent in the video.

I actually like the idea of writing in points into the main profiles. I really hate having to switch back and forth.

**casvalremdeikun**

Neronoxx wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Seriously though, who actually writes in their books?!

Savages.

I know, right? I watched a review by winters SEO on YouTube for the Space Marines codex and about died from how harsh he was treating his book.

Qlanth wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Seriously though, who actually writes in their books?!

That's a clip from the Miniwargaming video. They are specifically looking for changes and stuff so it probably helps them sound more intelligent in the video.

I actually like the idea of writing in points into the main profiles. I really hate having to switch back and forth.

I took a picture of the points pages and printed them out so I could have a reference. I might actually type them up in a Word file so I make adjustments based on Errata. Perhaps it is just me, but I like to keep my books in mint or near-mint condition.

**Galas**

Books are sacred pieces of human knowledge. Even gaming books like this.

I didn't even wrote in school books back in primary. if you want to take notes, take them into a notebook. And in the EXTREME case where you need to write something into a book, do it with a pencil and very gentle, so you can erase it without leaving marks.

**H.B.M.C.**

Odd that the Drones don't come in Squadrons.

**DarkStarSabre**

Qlanth wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Seriously though, who actually writes in their books?!

That's a clip from the Miniwargaming video. They are specifically looking for changes and stuff so it probably helps them sound more intelligent in the video.

I actually like the idea of writing in points into the main profiles. I really hate having to switch back and forth.

That's not an excuse when post-it notes exist.

**Matt.Kingsley**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Qlanth wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Seriously though, who actually writes in their books?!

That's a clip from the Miniwargaming video. They are specifically looking for changes and stuff so it probably helps them sound more intelligent in the video.

I actually like the idea of writing in points into the main profiles. I really hate having to switch back and forth.

That's not an excuse when post-it notes exist.

Judging from some of their videos they have at least 2 or 3 review copies.
It's probably easier to just scribble in one of them than to try and cover them in layers or post-it notes - especially on camera. Plus it's easier to still see the original rules.

**Nightlord1987**

The daemon prince entry apparently does offer the wings.

Hopefully they forgot to copy paste the points in the back, and didnt unintentionally forget to delete the wings from the copy paste all because of "Rules to Models" BS....

Plus GW ought to expect most sane people to be using the plastic prince box. They even feature that converted Plague Drone Prince all over the indexes and rulebooks.

**puma713**

Pseudomonas wrote:
puma713 wrote:
I think the price for Deathshrouds is fair.

Over £10 for a single plastic infantry model is never 'fair'.

Really? I guess I'm a little more realistic. GW probably realizes these aren't going to be purchased in bulk, because they're both low-model-count and expensive (points-wise). So, they have to pay for those plastic-injection molds, recoup the loss of production and design, etc., etc. Furthermore, I don't know anyone paying full GW prices for models, so they're actually bringing in 80% of that figure (or less).

Also, I'm willing to pay that price for those models. So yeah, I guess I think that they're worth ~$40.

**impact1**

Charax wrote:
£35 for 3? Well that's a hell no

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-JP/Death-Guard-Deathshroud-Terminators

Agreed, that's why I'm rolling my own. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/730992.page

I used some MK ii or Mk III heads, and scratch built the shoulders plates to build Death Guard Cataphractii. These well become blightlords as soon as I can confirm loadouts. But I'll make more as DS.

**Prometheum5**

impact1 wrote:
Charax wrote:
£35 for 3? Well that's a hell no

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-JP/Death-Guard-Deathshroud-Terminators

Agreed, that's why I'm rolling my own. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/730992.page

I used some MK ii or Mk III heads, and scratch built the shoulders plates to build Death Guard Cataphractii. These well become blightlords as soon as I can confirm loadouts. But I'll make more as DS.

They've got nicely converted shoulderpads, but I'm thinking they are going to be small next to the new official Terminators. The Plague Marines are already big, so I'm expecting the Termies to be a little bigger as well. Your guys may end up a little short.

**Virules**

Here is a thought. Mortarion has Death to the False Emperor. This means on a to hit roll of 6, the model makes an additional attack with the same weapon. Silence specifies that Mortarion must make all of his attacks with the same one of the two attack modes.

So if you roll 18 attacks, does each of those original rolls of a 6 generate 3 additional attacks? I would imagine so, because each 6 to hit gives him an additional attack with Silence, and Silence has two modes, and you have to use the 1-attack-counts-as-3 mode once you've started using it,

**ZergSmasher**

Looks like at the leaked price point I'll be passing on the Deathshrouds for now, but I'll have to grab some of those Myphitic Blight-haulers. They look to be one of the best units in the codex so far.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I wonder how effective the individual characters will be. I have a feeling they will be the same clampacks as the Primaris Characters, but easier to convert from a single box of PMs. Just wondering if they're worth the effort.

**puma713**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I wonder how effective the individual characters will be. I have a feeling they will be the same clampacks as the Primaris Characters, but easier to convert from a single box of PMs. Just wondering if they're worth the effort.

I anticipate the Plague Surgeon being very good. He takes up an elite slot and is 67 points (I think?). +1 to all DR rolls within 3" is pretty strong.

**Kharne the Befriender**

Its decided, I'm going to get enough Blight Lords and Death Shroud to rival my friends Deathwing.

Its going to be amazing and probably one sided but amazing none the less

**broxus**

Is it just me or is this the least amount of details for a preorder ever? Normally everything is fully leaked by now for our review. We just have small tidbits and a broad unit overview. I'm curious about unit options and stats.

**Pseudomonas**

puma713 wrote:
I guess I'm a little more realistic.

Here is some more realism for you then; if you are happy to pay £10 before long you will be paying £20. The reason why GW feel that they can get away with charging vastly inflated prices is that people were apparently happy to pay inflated prices.

**Bluebeard**

I wonder how many plague marines one will need to run a sensible 2k points list.

I have the 7 from Dark Imperium, the 3 easy to build ones, plus I pre-ordered the plague brethren so that's 13 in total.

I guess I need more poxwalkers though

**Lysenis**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Blight Hauler has an effective BS3+ if you have 3 models, which is what he was refering to.

Dont forget WS as well. It's all hit rolls.

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Pseudomonas wrote:
puma713 wrote:
I guess I'm a little more realistic.

Here is some more realism for you then; if you are happy to pay £10 before long you will be paying £20. The reason why GW feel that they can get away with charging vastly inflated prices is that people were apparently happy to pay inflated prices.

Inflated based on what?

Here is a question, ever make something by hand then sold it? I have. I know and have sold chain maille. Yes, medieval armor and more modern jewelry. Problem is, few people want to pay for the work I put in let alone the quality that my expertise provides. So a bracelet that took me 2 hours to make and I try to sell for $30, people want it for $10.

Sorry, but quality, material costs, production costs, etc need to be paid.

You complain about the price but it is reasonable. As pointed out GW made the decision because they know how many will likely sell. They know it is a niche unit in a niche faction that does not have the same backing of players like CSM, Space Marines, etc has. Prices reflect that. They also suspect that people won't pick up more than a single set.

It's basic economics and while many of us got burned by GW's prices in the past, the current GW is being smart. Old GW would of priced these guys at £40-45 and called it good.

We are also talking about a Multi-part plastic kit.

**Ubl1k**

I feel it is pretty expensive but in the scheme of things probably fair.

**O'Shovah's Desciple**

ZergSmasher wrote:
Looks like at the leaked price point I'll be passing on the Deathshrouds for now, but I'll have to grab some of those Myphitic Blight-haulers. They look to be one of the best units in the codex so far.

Those and the Plague Burst Crawlers. They seem insane.

**Warhams-77**

Another collection of info from the MWG video, by TheMelancholic - B&C forum

Foul Blightspawn:
An elite character choice (we get a lot of these)
Pretty solid profile. WS/BS 3+ 4W T5 Ld8 Disgustingly Resilient e.c.t.
Gets a random strength (2d6) plague weapon flamer with good -3AP and 3 damage
Has a debuff to enemy units charging friendlies within 7", taking away their charge priority and or any rules that give them attack priority (e.g. quicksilver swiftness/flawless execution). This means units that charge within 7" of this guy have to be activated by your opponent rather than going first by default. Probably his most useful trait.
Once per game he can throw a Blight-Grenade at Grenade 2d6 instead of Grenade d6 or he can allow a friendly Death Guard character within 3" to throw the a Blight Grenade (or Hyper-Blight Grenade) at 2d6 instead.
You are taking this guy for his charge debuff I feel...his randumb strength flamer could be good (average strength 7 is okay) but I don't like the unreliability of such things. Still, not the worst choice. Has some synergy with the guy below.

Biologus Putrifier:
An elite character choice
Same profile as above
Comes with an injector pistol which has 3" range, strength 4 -1AP Damage D6 (1 against vehicles). Meh.
Has Hyper-Blight Grenades which are Strength 4 and damage 2. He also gives these to all Death Guard units within 3" of him (provided they had Blight Grenades already).
Can explode like a vechile on death to deal one mortal wound to all non-Nurgle units around him.
Yeah...he's okay. Synergies well with Blight Bombardment (which allows everyone in a unit to throw grenades simultaneously). Perhaps serves best with an assault team but I can't really see his place in the army.

Plague Surgeon:
Another elite character choice
Has a bale sword (power sword with plague weapon)
Gives all Death Guard units within 3" re-rolls of 1 for disgustingly resilient (win!)
He himself gets +1 to hit and to wound when targeting enemies with the ADEPTUS ASTARTES keywords during the fight phase.
I can see him being taken just for the DR re-rolls. A solid addition, probably being one of the better elite slot characters.
Tallyman:
Yet another elite character choice
Comes stock with a Plasma Pistol apparently
Gives all Death Guard within 7" re-rolls to hit during the fight phase.
Whenever you use a stratagem, roll a 2d6. If you get a 7 (and only a seven) the Tallyman will refund all the CP you used. Fluffy, but don't bank on it.
Decidedly okay. Could be good in a melee orientated army with loads of Poxwalkers and CC plague marines.

Deathshroud:
Come in units of three with an option for three more
Everyone has plague reapers
75(!) points per guy
3 attacks each (4 on champion), T5 with two wounds apiece.
Cataphractii armour
Everyone gets Plague weapon hand flamers
All DEATH GUARD characters within 7" of the Deathshroud (excluding Morty) get +1 to their attacks.
If a DEATH GUARD character within 3" would be hit by an attack, on a 2+ these guys can take it instead. This can be used on Morty.
Melee monsters, but also able to help Morty survive turn one shooting. Solid...but expensive, and I feel they will be too easy to kite.

Blightlord Terminators:
Come in a unit of five
38 points per model (not including wargear...but still much cheaper than Deathshroud)
Can take special weapons (Blight Launchers e.c.t.) but limited to one in five (I think)
Can be kitted for melee too, with options for Baleswords (Plague Power Swords), Maces of Contagion, Bubotic Axes, Flails...e.c.t.
I think these guys will be better than Deathshrouds. Cheaper, can bring melee pain and have decent ranged options too.

Foetid Bloat Drone:
Can swap plaguespitters for fleshmowers or Heavy Blight Launchers
Fleshmower is strength +2, -2AP, 2 Damage Plague Weapon. Every time a Plague Drone attacks with this weapon, it can make 6(!!) additional attacks with it.
They annoying skipped over the heavy blight launcher but ho-hum...

Blight-Hauler:
10" Move. WS/BS 4+. T7/W8 with no degrading profile.
5++ with DR
No penalty to moving a shooting heavy weapons.
Adds one to hit rolls if there are 3 or more in the unit (so apparently these guys can be taken in squadrons)
-1 to hit him in fight phase
DEATH GUARD INFANTRY entirely within 7" get the benefit of cover. Lolwhut...that's pretty strong honestly.
Comes with a Multi-Melta, Missile Launcher
Has a Bilespurt weapon, range 12" assault d3 strength six -1AP 1 damage plague weapon
Is -2AP 1 Damage Plague Weapon in melee (base strength 6)
I dig him honestly. Lots of shootiness on a cheap little body, which also buffs your guys. Take him...hell, take three.

Plague Burst Crawler:
12 wounds, Toughness 8 and 3+ save
Comes with a Plague Mortar and two Plaguespitters
Plaguespitters can be swapped for Entropy Cannons which are 36" heavy one, strength 8, Ap-4 damage d6 (so crummy lascannons).
Mortar is 12-48" (it has a minimum range). Heavy d6, strength 8 -2AP damage d3. Can fire indirectly and is a plague weapon.
Okay shooting on a 150 point platform. Pretty cost efficient and tough.