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Basic chaos terminators are PL14 for 5 guys.
   
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Why are blightlords 14PL?
That's expensive...


Presumably they are comparable to Custodes Squads, who are also PL14 for 5 but dont have the ability to Teleport in.


I can't make out the stats but that sounds like a good thing for Death Guard, right?

Rydria wrote:Basic chaos terminators are PL14 for 5 guys.


Wow, now that seems expensive

<Dynasty> ~10500pts
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze ~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps ~3250pts
Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator

 
   
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Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!

All right, but what is their cost actual points and not namby pamby power?

Ghorros wrote:
The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
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So the Deathshroud is kind of snapfit and allow two different builds and different heads. Like the primaris gravis dudes.
I will pass on them and hope that the blightlords are truly multi-part.
   
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I am not too sour because I started making my DG army right before 8th was announced. After a month or 2 of gathering the models and painting them is when 8th was announced, and shortly after that DG was in the starter box.

Again I was lucky that I made my Plague Marines with the FW kit, and the metal and resin Plague Marines. So I lucked out with 4x 7man PM squads, a Helbrute, and a couple Rhinos. I never started my FW terminators due to them not being in the index. I never finished my Havoc squads either.

So I made it through pretty well. BUT....if I would have started 9 months or more ago.....I would NOT be happy now. I had planned for 2x 5man termies, a Heldrake, and squad of bikes. I totally feel the bitterness of people who did start years ago. Especially with the conversion that goes into them.

I am on the fence. New dex, new models, new flavor, etc. etc. , at the same time the invalidation of some models feels lazy and stupid, and making the excuse of "fluff wise" or "because" is an insult. They want you to buy new models, plain and simple. That is the only reason. I understand its a business, but they could have come up with a better way to encourage new purchases, and not force it. (I.E. Plague Terminator Upgrade Pack - with Baleswords and Axes) etc. etc...
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
All right, but what is their cost actual points and not namby pamby power?


290 pts. for 5 with 4 w/Combi-Plasma and Bubotic Axes, 1 w/Reaper Autocannon and Bubotic Axe.


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 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
All right, but what is their cost actual points and not namby pamby power?


190 pts. for 5 with 4 w/Combi-Plasma and Bubotic Axes, 1 w/Reaper Autocannon and Bubotic Axe.

Only 190pts!? What's the problem then? Or do you mean 290pts?

Ghorros wrote:
The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
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Alabama

 mrhappyface wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
All right, but what is their cost actual points and not namby pamby power?


190 pts. for 5 with 4 w/Combi-Plasma and Bubotic Axes, 1 w/Reaper Autocannon and Bubotic Axe.

Only 190pts!? What's the problem then? Or do you mean 290pts?


Typo. Yes, 290.



Has anyone seen a profile for the Plague Surgeon?

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Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!

 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
All right, but what is their cost actual points and not namby pamby power?


190 pts. for 5 with 4 w/Combi-Plasma and Bubotic Axes, 1 w/Reaper Autocannon and Bubotic Axe.

Only 190pts!? What's the problem then? Or do you mean 290pts?


Typo. Yes, 290.

Right so a normal Terminators are 31pts base and Blightlords are 38pts, you pay only 7pts more for a 4++ save, a 5+++ save, T5, an interesting ability and access to the DG tactic. This seems very reasonably priced, why is everyone crying?

Ghorros wrote:
The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
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 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
So the Deathshroud is kind of snapfit and allow two different builds and different heads. Like the primaris gravis dudes.
I will pass on them and hope that the blightlords are truly multi-part.


Truly? Are the arms not seperate?

Looks like I might be just buying the upgrade set and the FW Terminators then.


Now only a CSM player. 
   
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Alabama

 mrhappyface wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
All right, but what is their cost actual points and not namby pamby power?


190 pts. for 5 with 4 w/Combi-Plasma and Bubotic Axes, 1 w/Reaper Autocannon and Bubotic Axe.

Only 190pts!? What's the problem then? Or do you mean 290pts?


Typo. Yes, 290.

Right so a normal Terminators are 31pts base and Blightlords are 38pts, you pay only 7pts more for a 4++ save, a 5+++ save, T5, an interesting ability and access to the DG tactic. This seems very reasonably priced, why is everyone crying?


Also, access to a cheap reroll on Disgusting Resilient rolls of 1. So, 2+/4++/5+++ (w/reroll of 1). Not to mention a strategem that can bring one back to life each turn! I love it.


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 mrhappyface wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
All right, but what is their cost actual points and not namby pamby power?


190 pts. for 5 with 4 w/Combi-Plasma and Bubotic Axes, 1 w/Reaper Autocannon and Bubotic Axe.

Only 190pts!? What's the problem then? Or do you mean 290pts?


Typo. Yes, 290.

Right so a normal Terminators are 31pts base and Blightlords are 38pts, you pay only 7pts more for a 4++ save, a 5+++ save, T5, an interesting ability and access to the DG tactic. This seems very reasonably priced, why is everyone crying?
Because people complain about everything? I would kill for Terminators like that in ANY of my armies. Instead I get Ignore Cover and a useless building wrecking ability. Also, my Warlord has, quite possibly, one of the worst traits in all of 40K. Death Guard are going to be insanely powerful.

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 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
So the Deathshroud is kind of snapfit and allow two different builds and different heads. Like the primaris gravis dudes.
I will pass on them and hope that the blightlords are truly multi-part.



I expect all Nurgle kits to be like Blight Kings. But those are five bodies and between heads, bellies and weapons make very distinct dudes (even more with light or advanced converting). It's seriously impressive what can be done with those relatively few parts.

The Deathshroud we've seen so far look like their two builds are not so different from each other. I guess we'll see tomorrow , but I'd be very disappointed if the Nurgle kits turn out like the very same-y models from the Thousand Sons sorcerers box - and there you at least have a floating guy that always looks the same with a different hat, a disc guy with interchangable hats etc..

Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.  
   
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Vigo. Spain.

The Blight Kings kit is the pinacle of "Monopose but with personalization" that GW has done.. Really, theres more personalization in that kit, even if you can do max 6-7 different posses that in any multipart plastic kits in existance.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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I feel kind of left out by the bitterness in this thread, as someone who just started with the DI box. I kinda want to be salty too now

What's everyone's hoping for next week's DG release? I personally wish for the blightlord kit and either the Bloat drone or the plagueburst crawler.
   
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Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!

BlueBiscuit wrote:
I feel kind of left out by the bitterness in this thread, as someone who just started with the DI box. I kinda want to be salty too now

What's everyone's hoping for next week's DG release? I personally wish for the blightlord kit and either the Bloat drone or the plagueburst crawler.

Good, gooood! Let the salt flow!

Ghorros wrote:
The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
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You'd better watch out, you get a time out for pasting up clever pictures like that....

Even though I 100% agree...

Honestly, the salt must flow and will be apparent when you start seeing a few more lickies and chewies show up in the additional new car smell Dex's coming out. You're honestly too early to the party, seeing as you got the very first Codex's of the game.

One I can see already is the Cultist Wave, that is going to hose people. I love it. Second is going to be the Blight Drone swarm. You can't have too many.

Bring on the tears!

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Here you go.
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Vigo. Spain.

Those are some strange sprues for a...Infantry-Elite unit. They seem more like... character sprues. Well, with their cost in money and points I suppose they are basically a unit of 3-6 characters...
I suppose my Deathsrouds will be conversions from Bligthlords... please Bligthlords, be like Blight Kings (In bitz number) and I'll buy 6 boxes of you!

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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Look like they're bigger than Custodian Guard.

But yeah, didn't expect them to come in 3 tiny sprues.
   
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Huh... they're not like this. They're just three mono-pose character sprues.

What's... not what I was expecting.

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Vigo. Spain.

Theres some variety, it mentions 7 different heads, but yeah, I don't understand this sprue layout.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
Theres some variety, it mentions 7 different heads, but yeah, I don't understand this sprue layout.

It's possible that they were intended to be individual character models and instead got packaged into a genericized "Deathshroud" box.

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I personally don't mind it too much. I doubt anyone will need more than one or two boxes of them.

<Dynasty> ~10500pts
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze ~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps ~3250pts
Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator

 
   
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 Arachnofiend wrote:
Sharazad87 wrote:
Heads up.

EXPECT THE SAME FOR CODEX THOUSAND SONS

If all you have is basically CSM with the MoT you're gonna have a bad time.

Is this directed at me? My Thousand Sons army is already designed with the restricted list in mind.


Off topic...I love your avatar. Where did you find the art for it?
   
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 Galas wrote:
Theres some variety, it mentions 7 different heads, but yeah, I don't understand this sprue layout.


I think each sprue makes a separate Deathsroud dude.

1) There are 7 different heads to give you variety, including one bare head for champion.

2) The smoke with flies in it is optional and you can leave it off the bone stacks. Thank you GW!

3) Each guy is monopause. The only options to exchange other than head is that the champion can get an extra plaguespurter gauntlet for his left forearm. The other option is the bell relic held in the right hand of the champion.

These guys are essentially character strength infantry, and quite complex in terms of poses. (All 2 handed weapon models have fixed arm poses)

   
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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
 Lysenis wrote:

So, tell me. When were those ever "Death Guard" units?

Where those models usable in a Black Legion army? Alpha Legion?

What made you think once the Thousand Sons got their own special Terminators that the Death Guard wouldn't? Are those laid out the same as normal CSM Termies?

Welcome to a new age. Where new factions get things that make them different from the past.


Would you like the Index Astartes article?



Or the 3.5 Codex?





Because hey, look. 'Playing a Death Guard army' and 'Using A Death Guard army' appear there.

Implying those are Death Guard units.

Or are you still fishing? You also appear to forget and have conveniently ignored that no one had an issue with the Rubric Terminators being fixed armament and all - they always were in the IA article and the 3.5 book onward. A lot of Thousand Sons armies cropped up around that time and accounted for it. The main issue was the fact that they were forced into Power Swords in a range that has had exactly two Terminator power sword arms from Rogue Trader onwards...and one of them isn't even on the right side for a normal Terminator.



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Sharazad87 wrote:
But dont become snide, snippy or short with someone


Physician, heal thyself.


Ironically enough you just nailed the coffin shut on people clamoring for bikes and raptors with those images.
   
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Got my codex now. Great book, lore has been handled really well

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 Kanluwen wrote:
It's possible that they were intended to be individual character models and instead got packaged into a genericized "Deathshroud" box.
Unlikely. There's one mini who has an option for their Manreaper blade, and one of the two options is on another sprue.

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