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Good lord I've never had a GW release manage to grind down my enthusiasm quite like this one. Every single positive point get mangled, every bit of good news must be mixed with a host of bad.

I've got morty, I've got the DI and easy build marine stuff, I've got my store reserving me three blightcrawlers when they come in, and I think that's it for this release. That already feels like way too much, but I'm not tossing good money after bad.

If these units were really good for conversions I could justify spending more just on the hobby portion, but everything we've seen kinda seems to indicate no. If they hadn't invalidated the overwhelming majority of my DG collection I'd be more interested in getting models moving forward, but I wasn't interested in starting a new army and that's what this basically has amounted to.

Wait a minute, this means we have to wait ANOTHER week for Myphitic Blight Haulers? Are you f*ing kidding me?

A 7-week release?

 puma713 wrote:
Wait a minute, this means we have to wait ANOTHER week for Myphitic Blight Haulers? Are you f*ing kidding me?

A 7-week release?

Oh god fething damn you GW, you stretched out our release over 7 weeks for another holy number joke.

mikesorensonxx wrote:
That unit champ and icon bearer should be in that PM box, not separate $25 per unit upgrade. No other unit in warhammer 40k makes you pay $50 for the unit champs, plus $50 for the unit and your still a man short. And there's something wrong when the best thing about the champ fig is the nurgling with a helmet. Now I'm glad I bought 2 of the First strike starter. It was great to fill out my squads (my son plays marines) but I got 2 champs with plasma gun and power fist and 2 blightlaunchers. Those are looking like a premium to buy elsewhere.

There is a unit champ and icon bearer in the PM box.

Look at the picture. They're right there in the forefront.

 puma713 wrote:
Wait a minute, this means we have to wait ANOTHER week for Myphitic Blight Haulers? Are you f*ing kidding me?

A 7-week release?

I didn't see Blight Haulers at all in a youtube video preview of the October WD. There's only a single photo of their model in the codex, and I'm not entirely convinced that's it's own kit rather than a Bloat Drone conversion.

 xttz wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
Wait a minute, this means we have to wait ANOTHER week for Myphitic Blight Haulers? Are you f*ing kidding me?

A 7-week release?

I didn't see Blight Haulers at all in a youtube video preview of the October WD. There's only a single photo of their model in the codex, and I'm not entirely convinced that's it's own kit rather than a Bloat Drone conversion.

If that were the case, I think they'd mention that in the Foetid Bloat Drone blurb on the website. They always say "And this can also be built as...", but there's no mention of Myphitic Blight Haulers on the Bloat Drones page. With the popularity the haulers will have (opinion mine), I think they'll have their own kit.

SilverAlien wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
Wait a minute, this means we have to wait ANOTHER week for Myphitic Blight Haulers? Are you f*ing kidding me?

A 7-week release?

Oh god fething damn you GW, you stretched out our release over 7 weeks for another holy number joke.

Ok I'll give them this one. Even if it is infuriating, at least shows their dedication

Well, only 7 models, the rumor wasn't correct.

wow did they drop the ball for this one. Most of the sculpts are nice, but the prices are even more absurd than usual (7 t a box !!! really!!!), and the lack of parts and customisation is beyond disapointing. Not to mention the ridiculously snail pace at which it is release (guess it fits with the nurgle theme). And where the frag is the GUO??? DOn't tell me that they didn't made one.




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threebats wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"This release keeps getting worse all the time." - Lando Calrissian

It's a 7-man box. The models will likely be as poseable as the Nurgle Terminator kit (that is to say, not much), and it will cost as much if not more than this, or this, or this.

"But guys! GW are getting better! Haven't youn seen their funny YouTube videos!!!"

Horse gak!

I suspect things like some of the Start Collecting sets representing really good value, releasing games and factions people have been crying out for for years, sometimes in a decent value box, have more to do with that. Better PR helps, but I don't think it would have turned their fortunes around alone. They have been better in some ways. Unfortunately, Death Guard represents a low point. A damned shame, because while the minis are on the busy side for my taste I've broadly thought them really nice. If this release hadn't been bungled so badly they'd probably be seen in a more positive way.

THe SC weren't anything new by GW. They were battalion boxes before which were giving you as good a discount, and they didn't include an overpriced clampack that make it not worthwhile to buy more than 1

The FAQ hit and makes Forgeworld dreadnoughts get Inexorable Advance. Who's up for Leviathans?

 Kanluwen wrote:

mikesorensonxx wrote:
That unit champ and icon bearer should be in that PM box, not separate $25 per unit upgrade. No other unit in warhammer 40k makes you pay $50 for the unit champs, plus $50 for the unit and your still a man short. And there's something wrong when the best thing about the champ fig is the nurgling with a helmet. Now I'm glad I bought 2 of the First strike starter. It was great to fill out my squads (my son plays marines) but I got 2 champs with plasma gun and power fist and 2 blightlaunchers. Those are looking like a premium to buy elsewhere.

There is a unit champ and icon bearer in the PM box.

Look at the picture. They're right there in the forefront.

I know, but they are releasing the better ones separate. What other unit has that? I also mentioned it would at least bring the unit box up to 9 models. I'm not short on champs, it's just dumb they are releasing them separate.

 streetsamurai wrote:

THe SC weren't anything new by GW. They were battalion boxes before which were giving you as good a discount, and they didn't include an overpriced clampack that make it not worthwhile to buy more than 1

I wasn't saying that it was a new idea, I've got an unbuilt VC box a few feet from me, just that some had very good (relative) value. For instance a monster plus some units for little over the price of a the monster - in a couple of cases, for the same price as the monster. That seems a pretty clear indication that they knew the needed to sweeten the deal on those monsters and probably the sets, too. Of course they could have just lowered prices, but GW is still GW. I do agree about the characters. I'm sure GW would love us to pick up a Start Collecting (+ an allies box for AoS) for every army we start, but would really rather we payed full price for the rest. Making it too easy to build a full 2000+ point force out of a few of those boxes would be tantamount to a price reduction, and we know how they feel about that.

For me the ideal would be complementing these sets with similar price point, similar value sets that didn't overlap too much in content. Something like the allies boxes they did for AoS but a bit bigger. Of course they aren't going to do this for the reason I stated above. Meh. Although as I said the carnosaur and magmadroth did get the price-cut-by-proxy treatment, so who the hell knows at this point?

Anyone wanna sing a "7 Weeks of Death Guards" with me?

On the seventh week of Death Guard, G Dubs gave to me
A box of marines minus three!

 puma713 wrote:

On another note, what is with all of the mouth-bellies? I hope there's more options in the PM box. I mean, one or two mouth-bellies in a unit is okay, I guess, but why do half or more of them have them? I understand they're a part of Nurgle iconography, but I didn't realize they were a defining characteristic of Death Guard now.

What's up is that the defining visual feature of Plague Marines was bloated bellies and in this day and age GW is mortally afraid of empty surfaces. Luckily they got their CAD library to fix that little problem swiftly, mercilessly and repeatedly. And repeatedly. And repeatedly.

I'm utterly confused by the choice to make 7 figures that look like they'll be restrictive in customisation. Mono pose deathshroud sure get that, snap fit or mono pose start minis, cool. Mainstay unit of the army stuck like that though? Very weird.

Part of me wonders if they've taken this route in an attempt to try and fully conceive their vision for the range, but in the process all the tentacles and horns and mouths etc don't lend well to multi pose kits. So to work around it they have to shoehorn some torsos or legs to be fixed together.

Death Guard have been such an incredibly long release. I'm over them already. Let's move on to something else x.x

Dudeface wrote:
I'm utterly confused by the choice to make 7 figures that look like they'll be restrictive in customisation. Mono pose deathshroud sure get that, snap fit or mono pose start minis, cool. Mainstay unit of the army stuck like that though? Very weird.

Part of me wonders if they've taken this route in an attempt to try and fully conceive their vision for the range, but in the process all the tentacles and horns and mouths etc don't lend well to multi pose kits. So to work around it they have to shoehorn some torsos or legs to be fixed together.

The main problem is the Putrid Blightkings sold very well and became the gold standard for Nurgle minis since then (not to blame them, they are a legitimately awesome kit). The designers obviously then decided to take that and turn it up to 11, which is how we got these plague marines.

mikesorensonxx wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

mikesorensonxx wrote:
That unit champ and icon bearer should be in that PM box, not separate $25 per unit upgrade. No other unit in warhammer 40k makes you pay $50 for the unit champs, plus $50 for the unit and your still a man short. And there's something wrong when the best thing about the champ fig is the nurgling with a helmet. Now I'm glad I bought 2 of the First strike starter. It was great to fill out my squads (my son plays marines) but I got 2 champs with plasma gun and power fist and 2 blightlaunchers. Those are looking like a premium to buy elsewhere.

There is a unit champ and icon bearer in the PM box.

Look at the picture. They're right there in the forefront.

I know, but they are releasing the better ones separate. What other unit has that? I also mentioned it would at least bring the unit box up to 9 models. I'm not short on champs, it's just dumb they are releasing them separate.

You don't know what parts are in the box, if we're going to be brutally honest. You might very well be able to build far cooler champions/icon bearers than the ones shown.

And I find it hysterical that people seem to forget that this was a common practice for a long time for Fantasy which the 40k crowd tended to shrug off as "not their problem".

It all boils down to what options come with the kit, if I have enough extra bits to convert some DI plague marines then maybe ill get a box

It is not the Blightkings' influence alone

Depending on the number of options in the box, it might be worth just getting one for designing characters.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And I find it hysterical that people seem to forget that this was a common practice for a long time for Fantasy which the 40k crowd tended to shrug off as "not their problem".

Maybe when the infantry were literally mono-pose, with maybe an option for a different symbol on their shield, as that's all GW's plastics were capable of at the time.

And that was aeons ago. The comparison isn't even remotely valid these days.

I am a big GW fanboy and I love the death guard in look and style. Even I can see that this release is a bit weird. So drawn out, from the early previews to the over a month of releases... the 7 man squad and additional models needed to fill up the squads bothers me.

At this point I am already bought in.. so I just need to deal with it. But it is starting to wear on me.

I'm seriously hoping there is a decent amount of plague knives and bubotic axes in the box. if there are only 2 axes for 7 marines...

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'm seriously hoping there is a decent amount of plague knives and bubotic axes in the box. if there are only 2 axes for 7 marines...

Oh don't worry, you'll probably get at least three, one to go with the mace and then two extras.

I just made myself sad when I realized this wasn't actually that far fetched.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And I find it hysterical that people seem to forget that this was a common practice for a long time for Fantasy which the 40k crowd tended to shrug off as "not their problem".

Maybe when the infantry were literally mono-pose, with maybe an option for a different symbol on their shield, as that's all GW's plastics were capable of at the time.

And that was aeons ago. The comparison isn't even remotely valid these days.

Yeah. Maybe im missing something, but i fail to see the point kanluwen is trying to make here

broxus wrote:
Here is what will really push me over the edge. If the new plague marine box only comes with 1 or 2 plasma guns (or other special weapons). Then I am forced to buy another 7 man box to get one gun. This forces me to buy much larger boxes of stuff I don’t need to get a single gun. This is why I prefer boxes of 5.

If they come with tons of options and 3 plasma guns then I will happy if I only have to buy the 7 PM box. I sure hope they don’t force me to own 14 marines to have 3 plasma guns. The easy build set of 3 doesn’t come with plasma.

Not otherwise disagreeing with you, but the easy to build set does come with a plasma gun: the bareheaded marine has one on his back.

This might work as a hauler alternative:



http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/warpath/forge-fathers/product/hultr-half-track.html

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I would rather go with a more creative Crawler alternative. This si upcoming from Miniature Scenery:

https://i.imgur.com/AgW66fL.jpg

A defiler carbon copy body with a knight knee guard stuck underneath , chucked on top of some tentacles? Each to their own, but that looks awful IMO.

Oh. Harsh. Still, you're welcome to your opinion. Not that either of the parts mentioned were remotely considered during design, nor can I see them now when I compare.