Death Guard + Nurgle Daemons [News: Dec 30 - Jan 2018 WD with the new models]

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**Kharne the Befriender**

It is Friday, what time do Preorders go up on the New Zealand site?

Then we can see the options for the Plague Marines

**Luciferian**

Not up yet but I think they usually pop up around this time.

**rtb02**

11pm bst whenever that translates into stateside

3 hours 40 minutes (1920 at typing UK time)

**Galas**

Oh boy, if they don't include a good amount of customization and all the weapons options in the box to compensate for the 7 models, this is gonna get messy...

*Grabs popcorn*

**Luciferian**

Yeah I'm not paying $50 for an alternative set of 7 DI PM. But if they have a bunch of tasty bits in there I'll order one tonight. We shall see...

**NinthMusketeer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
We get it, its bad and everyone who likes it is wrong. We would be nowhere without you to tell us how unbelievably gakky GW releases are, why we might even be enjoying the hobby completely oblivious to how miserable we were.
Where did say any of that? Where have I said that GW releases are "unbelievably gakky"? And yes, I would argue that everyone who likes the idea of 7 models for the price of 10 is wrong. How can one ever be happy about that?

But here's an idea for you Muskateer: Don't. Fething. Generalise.

I try to be rather specific with my comments, so my ire is directed at things in this release which are either less than they could be (Deathshroud) or things that are actually bad (7 models for the price of 10). I have stated time and time again what I like about this release, and other releases.

But, in case you missed it: I think this Death Guard release has been one of gross missed opportunities combined with a near-perfect aesthetic. The miniatures that we have received are simply breathtaking (and not in a "Help I'm choking on plague flies!" way). The new units (Drone, Plague Buggy and the Mortar) are incredible looking, the character models (other than the silly smoke-blowing sorcerer from DI) are incredible, and the new Plague Marines and especially the Terminators are fantastic. If there were any minis I don't like, it would be a couple of the stand alone characters and the Plague Zombies are a little too happy/jolly looking for my tastes, but that can be somewhat dealt with if you use a more drab colour scheme.

The actual releases have a few isses - the price for mono-pose miniatures and the reduction of 7 for 10 being the worst among them - and the rules leave a lot to be desired (with non-Nurgle units in a Death Guard Codex because no model/no rule).

I can take the good with the bad, and express both. If you want to generalise and just say "HMBCDVD always just hates things! OMG! Such a whiner!", then that's your deal. And also a bold-faced LIE.

I apologise, only specific things are bad and people who don't have a problem with those things are wrong. Thank you for illuminating us on exactly why we should be unhappy, lest we see different viewpoints than yours as legitimate.

I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.

**jonny5**

Was going to get more nurgle stuffs. £15 for a marine with a banner-lol. Think I'm going to go to gw shanghai from
Now on then

**Kaiyanwang**

NinthMusketeer wrote:

I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.

To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.

**Kharne the Befriender**

So what kind of stuff would have to come in the Plague Marine kit to make it worth the 50$?

**angelofvengeance**

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
It is Friday, what time do Preorders go up on the New Zealand site?

Then we can see the options for the Plague Marines

10am on the NZ site.

**Kharne the Befriender**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Kharne the Befriender wrote:
It is Friday, what time do Preorders go up on the New Zealand site?

Then we can see the options for the Plague Marines

10am on the NZ site.

So it'll be up in about 20 minutes then, nice

**Luciferian**

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
So what kind of stuff would have to come in the Plague Marine kit to make it worth the 50$?

Probably more than it'll have, unfortunately. 5 axes, 2 flails, 2 blight launchers, 2 plasma guns, 2 maces, knives, 10 heads, 10 chests, 10 arm pairs etc. Doesn't seem too unreasonable for $50 but I guess we'll know in a few minutes.

**NinthMusketeer**

Kaiyanwang wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:

I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.

To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.

Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.

**Warhams-77**

Link to today's NZ preorder

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/searchResults?N=710747498+3516457728+3206404541

Plague Marines, three sprues

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Death-Guard-Plague-Marines-2017

Bloated with festering corruption, Plague Marines form the mainstay of the Death Guard, and unlike many Traitor Legions their numbers have only swollen as the millennia have passed. Sworn to Nurgle’s service, Plague Marines have disgusting, rotted bodies that stink of decay. The putrescent slime that oozes from their sores corrodes armour boils away skin, yet despite their horrific disfigurements they are fearsome warriors indeed.

This multi-part plastic kit contains the components necessary to assemble a 7-man squad of Plague Marines. Each is posed dynamically, with the usual Death Guard accoutrements – cracked, rotting armour revealing grasping tentacles, severed heads displayed proudly on belts, backpacks sloshing with unnatural diseases and pipework leading from rebreathers to Nurgle knows what foul concoctions. There’s an Icon of Despair included, so your unit can feature an icon bearer.

These models feature a wide range of weapons and heads, many of which are designed to fit a specific model – there are 8 boltguns, 4 plague knives, 3 bubotic axes, a blight launcher, a plasma gun, a meltagun, a plaguebelcher, a heavy plaguespewer (with backpack), a mace of contagion, a great plague cleaver, a plague flail, a plasma pistol and a bolt pistol. There are 2 weapon options available for the unit Champion: a specific plaguesword and power fist, and there are a total of 16 bare and helmeted heads. 2 specific arms are included for a model holding a blight grenade, with one hand pulling the pin.

This kit comes as 146 components, and is supplied with 7 Citadel 32mm Round bases.

**threebats**

Edit: Warhams-77 got the details out first and I don't know how to delete my now redundant comment

**Ghaz**

threebats wrote:
Edit: Warhams-77 got the details out first and I don't know how to delete my now redundant comment

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/205120.page#905865

**Warhams-77**

No worries, could you copy the sprue photos?

My tablet refuses to

I like the axes, the third sprue brings back this classic weapon

**streetsamurai**

wow, that PM champion is pretty much a microcosm of everything I hate about this release. Fragging ugly, Too cute, overpriced and monoposed

OTOH the putrifier is a real piece of art

**changemod**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:

I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.

To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.

It's not particularly wrong to call a 7 object box priced the same as the 10 object standard an objectively bad deal.

It's not -literally- objective, but close enough for standard conversation, and I don't think any of us are seeking to split philosophical hairs here.

**streetsamurai**

are the joints square?

If it's the case, thaT's not good at all :(

**Nostromodamus**

Warhams-77 wrote:
No worries, could you copy the sprue photos? My tablet refuses to

I like the axes, the third sprue brings back this classic weapon

Putrid Blightkings had that axe on the sprue. Or at least it was very similar...

**Kaiyanwang**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:

I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.

To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.

What I wrote is not a strawman, I am afraid. But I keep seeing a severe lack of logic in the attacks to H.B.M.C., included personal attacks and (not you) moving the goalpost.

**Warhams-77**

You are right, not yet as a 40k variant though

**NinthMusketeer**

changemod wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:

I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.

To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.

It's not particularly wrong to call a 7 object box priced the same as the 10 object standard an objectively bad deal.

It's not -literally- objective, but close enough for standard conversation, and I don't think any of us are seeking to split philosophical hairs here.

Since the entire premise of his post was based off taking my sarcasm at face value I don't see why not. Or did he think I -literally- believe people who like the release are universally miserable? But even that is moot, since we all know that prices go up over time and a person could have a legitimate opinion that the 7-man box for the price of 10 is simply compensating for that, or that the new 7-man box is an increase in quality that justifies the price, or both. It's not an opinion I have myself but that does not make it objectively wrong.

Elaborating on the plague marine box itself now that we know the exact contents; I find it ridiculous that the box costs 10-man price for 7 and doesn't even have all the possible weapon loadouts. Sternguard pricing for a 5-man with all of the weapon options would have been bad but at least acceptable. One can get used to the price but no amount of budgeting, discounts, or bundles will eliminate the pain in the ass it is to equip a unit with, say, 3 plasma guns. It's not impossible or even very difficult to compensate for but I feel that extra step is significant if the kit is going to have less than the normal amount of models.

**SilverAlien**

Uh.... so is no one going to comment on those... interesting PM sprues?

**Kaiyanwang**

Nostromodamus wrote:

Putrid Blightkings had that axe on the sprue. Or at least it was very similar...

Is very similar, and really cool IMHO.

**Galas**

Hmm. The kit is at least better in the variety deparment than the Blighlords one. Not as much as I'll like , but I can understand the limitations of variety with all the straps, tubes, chainmal, clothes, etc... that they did with the miniatures.
One must accept that long coats aren't compatible with multiposability. You see it in Dark Angels Company Veterans, Skitarii, etc...

And I agree, the Biologus Putrifier is beautifull. But, I'm the only one that is a little... confused about the fact that the Icon Bearer and the Champion alternative sculpts cost the same as those Elite HQ's? I can understand that from a technical and objetive standpoint, they are the same amount of plastic, etc... so theres a reason for them to cost the same. But paying the same for a Hero than for a Sargeant ... feels a little wrong.

**Kaiyanwang**

SilverAlien wrote:
Uh.... so is no one going to comment on those... interesting PM sprues?

You are right. I have to say that it looks promising at least from the bits standpoint and we have to concede a point to the people that said that with all the options the sprue ended being too full for 10 models. I am not enthusiastic but I understand.

Still 1 box and heavy conversions from internet, I am afraid

**Kharne the Befriender**

I'm quite pleased with the Plague Marine kits, I'm going to grab 2 of them and do some extensive cross contamination between them and the DI plague marines, hopefully that'll make them more unique

**NinthMusketeer**

Kaiyanwang wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:

I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.

To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.

What I wrote is not a strawman, I am afraid. But I keep seeing a severe lack of logic in the attacks to H.B.M.C., included personal attacks and (not you) moving the goalpost.

'HBMC is always negative' is a strawman that I did use once, and it wasn't appropriate when I did. It's also an argument I didn't make here, though that didn't stop him from making a, in his words, "bold faced lie" that I did.