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2019/04/16 16:37:12
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
ClockworkZion wrote: That's actually leading right back to my first point: with Suppressors in your army filling the S7 -2AP role is taking heavy plasma worth it?
Nope. I feel a mix of suppressors and hellblasters alongside dreadnought support are the ways to field anti vehicle atm if going pure primaris. My personal plan is to splice in two hellblasters in a squad of intercessors x6 across two DW detachments, possibly two twin las chaplain dreads and an outrider ally of space marines with 9 suppressors. I'm interested to see how it will perform in a non-competitive environment. Ally space marines being either salamanders for increased damage or raven guard to stay alive longer.
Fair enough. My current list is BT using the Indomitus Crusaders formation. Still wrapping my head around all ways that I can use it (Veteran Intercessors using the Liberators dtrat while backed by Helbrecht seems like a lot of fun for example).
I'm going full infantry and no vehicles for now though. Mostly because Primaris lack enough vehicle options to fully benefit from taking them (via target saturation).
Yeah I am with you on the vehicle front so what I do is use chaplain dreadnoughts. They are pretty solid in CC, can pack a twin las and are characters so they can't be BLATed.
2019/04/16 17:08:13
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I'd be really happy to get an inceptor captain with a shooting focus. Would be sweet.
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2019/04/16 17:24:37
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I'd be really happy to get an inceptor captain with a shooting focus. Would be sweet.
Heck, even an Inceptor LT would be a nice change of pace.
Honestly, we need more of both. I don't get why I can't take LTs in Gravis armour for example. Just give us the kits and let us make either a Captain, LT or Chapter Master out of the kit by varying the details we plug onto it.
2019/04/16 18:08:47
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
ClockworkZion wrote: Well also have a Power Fist Captain with plasma pistol option if you're willing to track down the model or convert.
I don't see an Inceptor Captain filling the smash Captain role due to how GW seems to be making it a shooting platform. Maybe if they could go full Revier and could hop over units Batman style with a grapnel gun?
my ideal inceptor captain would carry the heavy bolter pistol in one hand, and have a boltstorm gauntlet on the other. sort of a strange hybrid mix of the agressor and inceptor weapons loadouts
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2019/04/16 19:29:21
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Well I prefer the plasma version. My wishlist would be some kind of power lance and a combi plasma exterminator.
Also on the wishlist. Inceptors with a melle focus. Giant halbreds with flamers attached to them.
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2019/04/16 20:43:10
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I personally like the idea of a weapon and shield unit that acts as an aegis to the other units. Give them some rule like CHAPTER units behind them get +1 to save, count as being in cover etc etc or something like that if they are within so many inches of the shield boys. A Mobile aegis defense line that is very angry and holding a gun. Maybe a shotgun or something so they could double as a ship boarding unit as well as a unit to protect their shooty brothers from close range threats. Probably give them heroic intervention as a rule.
2019/04/17 15:03:12
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I have come into possession of some Primaris models and was thinking about making a small 1000 point list (originally just a few models to make a Kill Team but...)
They are pretty much basic set ups, no alternate weapons or upgrades etc.
I know there’s plenty over 1k here, but could I conceivably make a list that might do ok in games (nothing competitive like tournaments or anything)
2019/04/17 15:49:30
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Danny76 wrote: I have come into possession of some Primaris models and was thinking about making a small 1000 point list (originally just a few models to make a Kill Team but...)
They are pretty much basic set ups, no alternate weapons or upgrades etc.
I know there’s plenty over 1k here, but could I conceivably make a list that might do ok in games (nothing competitive like tournaments or anything)
Try to get your hands with a third troops choice.. to get a batallion.. there's a lot to use and make a 1k list, but I'd suggest to make a batallion for CP.. infiltrators or intercessors..
_Ness wrote: How would you make a smash Cpt with primaris models?
still no idea.
Best answer I have is a crimson fists Captain with relic power fist and plasma pistol. I call him Captain Punchy. Great in combat but lacks mobility. He ends up being my primary counter assault unit in the middle of my blob. I haven't settled on the best Warlord trait for him yet though.
2019/04/18 17:09:10
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Thinking about starting a small side force of all primaris Iron Hands to accompany my admech for mostly fluff and modeling reasons. I'm curious if the Chapter trait is any good on primaris models as they at least have extra wounds so you'd be rolling for those 6's a lot more often.
2019/04/18 17:36:13
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Facisminthe41m wrote: Thinking about starting a small side force of all primaris Iron Hands to accompany my admech for mostly fluff and modeling reasons. I'm curious if the Chapter trait is any good on primaris models as they at least have extra wounds so you'd be rolling for those 6's a lot more often.
Yeah it's best on primaris. I can't remember what the math was, but it's going to help a fair bit. The big part is that it really can go a long way in mitigating D2 weapons as just one six on that means one marine can eat two hits instead of only one. I like to imagine IH had a 5+++ sometimes. Man that would instantly make Iron Hand Primaris a thing.
2019/04/19 21:38:50
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Danny76 wrote: I have come into possession of some Primaris models and was thinking about making a small 1000 point list (originally just a few models to make a Kill Team but...)
They are pretty much basic set ups, no alternate weapons or upgrades etc.
I know there’s plenty over 1k here, but could I conceivably make a list that might do ok in games (nothing competitive like tournaments or anything)
Try to get your hands with a third troops choice.. to get a batallion.. there's a lot to use and make a 1k list, but I'd suggest to make a batallion for CP.. infiltrators or intercessors..
What about a third Intercessor set of 5 for troops to make battle line..?
I don’t really want to spend any more, but could get a set for £8 via Conquest..
2019/04/22 18:19:27
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
What do you guys think about this list? I'm off to a 2000pts ITC charity tournament in September and I'm not looking to win or be super competitive, as its just for fun (all prizes are from a raffle and all money raised goes to Air Ambulance Wales).
So, I decided to run a full foot force of Minotaurs using the Raven Guard trait for that delicious -1 to hit, and Lord Asterion Moloc, because he's awesome and two bodyguards. They aren't primaris, but everything else is!
Since I will have so much CP, I'll decide how many veteran Intercessor squads I want to create to take advantage of the Greyshield field commander trait, and the stats that go with it. The core is the hellblaster/ancient/apothecary combo with intercessors acting as screens and the Inceptors deep striking in and causing a nuisance, and the honour guard is to thwart vindicare assassin attempts, along with iron will giving Moloc 8(!) wounds and a 6+++.
So, does this list look decent but at least interesting to fight, instead of the usual marine power lists?
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2019/04/23 07:44:25
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Hey, thought I'd ask here as well as the BAngel tactica thread, as you guys are all about Primaris, how are BAngels as a full Primaris army, with the addition of Sanguinary Guard? Was thinking of getting back into my vampires as nu marines.
2019/04/29 15:48:45
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Does anyone use the Easy To Build Redemptor Dread?
I have the possibility to get three of them, but not sure if they are well equipped for games as they are really, particularly in multiples.
Cheers!
2019/04/29 18:23:08
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Danny76 wrote: Does anyone use the Easy To Build Redemptor Dread?
I have the possibility to get three of them, but not sure if they are well equipped for games as they are really, particularly in multiples.
Cheers!
Easy build has:
Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Frag Launchers, Heavy Flamer, Power Fist.
My preference for the normal version: Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Storm Bolter, Icarus Rocket Pod, Power fist.
The Macro Plasma Incinerator is incredibly random with D6 shots, and not any better than the heavy hellblaster weapon. I don't consider it a good option. The stormbolters are reliable and with bolter discipline now put out 8 shots every time, rather than 2-12 from the frag launchers. Clearly superior in my book. The onslaught cannon is an additional 6 heavy bolter shots at 24", versus the heavy flamer which is D6 auto hitting only up to 8. That really comes down to preference, but I prefer the onslaught cannon. The Icarus Rocket pod is always a nice surprise, as there's actually a whole lot of stuff out there which flies.
TLDR, the Easy Build version is pretty good and you won't mind it if you play it WYSIWIG. If you don't mind a few unrepresented weapons, it still has the better big gun, and I don't think anyone will give you hassle about the smaller weapons not being appropriately modeled.
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2019/05/04 09:45:06
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I wouldn’t bother with the dreads unless they’re really cheap. Redemptors aren’t great and the guns it comes with aren’t ideal. You’re very unlikely to want to field three.
Also, the full kit is quite fun to build. Bit of a shame to have one you can’t pose Hoe you want.
2019/05/04 17:34:16
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
The Macro Plasma Incinerator is incredibly random with D6 shots, and not any better than the heavy hellblaster weapon. I don't consider it a good option.
The funny part about that is it is functionally the same exact average damage as twin Lascannons since overcharged macro plasma is just a mirror of the twin Las profile.
The biggest issue for the macro plasma is that its on a T7 platform that degrades, wants to move so it doesn't waste the fist, and has no way to remove either of those penalties to hit.
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2019/05/06 14:09:56
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Dr Mills, at 2000 points my list looks similar. I have less inceptors and no apothecary, but I have 20 hell blasters. It does well unless I run into one of our hard counters such as armigers and Eldar flyer spam. There's just not much you can do vs mass DMG 2 fire power.
2019/05/07 23:42:34
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
The Macro Plasma Incinerator is incredibly random with D6 shots, and not any better than the heavy hellblaster weapon. I don't consider it a good option.
The funny part about that is it is functionally the same exact average damage as twin Lascannons since overcharged macro plasma is just a mirror of the twin Las profile.
The biggest issue for the macro plasma is that its on a T7 platform that degrades, wants to move so it doesn't waste the fist, and has no way to remove either of those penalties to hit.
I agree with that. Mine comes along just for the fun of a big stompy guy when I bring him.
2019/05/09 11:24:30
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I'd also add repulsors, which might be pretty decent now Castellans have been made more reasonable and Ynnari have been nerf-batted. You get to stick lascannons on repulsors, along with approximately 700 other guns.
The fly keyword is really useful, and you can keep 10 hellblasters safe and warm inside. The fact that enemies reduce charge distances against them by 2" is also a really big deal against deep strikers, especially if other angles are protected by infiltrators.
A Blood Angel player has been doing pretty well with a triple-repulsor list pre-FAQ. Personally I'm running two and a Krastsader at the moment with my crimson fists.
2019/05/10 00:22:10
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
I have been useing an all primaris all infantry list for 2000 points, its a brigade so I start with 12+3 command points
I have had very good success with it, however, i changed it up so that it is no longer 100% primaris
the primaris lack high strength multi damage anti tank type weapons, and while hell blasters are good, they do not quite fill the roll for me
i droped my 3 hell blaster squads and replaced with 3 standard old school devestator squads with 2 las-cannons, missile launchers, heavy bolter each (to take advantage of the flakk missile /hellfire shell stratagems as well )
roghly this is what it looks like
HQ: captain, librarian, lieutenant
Troops: 6x intercessor squads (5)
Elites: Apothecary, Ancient, Reiver squad (5+grapnel's )
Fast Attack: 3x inceptor squads (3, 1 with plasma, 2 with assault bolters
Heavy Support: 3x Devestator squads
2019/05/10 01:36:02
Subject: Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
Mandragola wrote: I'd also add repulsors, which might be pretty decent now Castellans have been made more reasonable and Ynnari have been nerf-batted. You get to stick lascannons on repulsors, along with approximately 700 other guns.
The fly keyword is really useful, and you can keep 10 hellblasters safe and warm inside. The fact that enemies reduce charge distances against them by 2" is also a really big deal against deep strikers, especially if other angles are protected by infiltrators.
A Blood Angel player has been doing pretty well with a triple-repulsor list pre-FAQ. Personally I'm running two and a Krastsader at the moment with my crimson fists.
Mind sharing more about your fists list? I was trying to recreate a bit of the heavy Repulsor rush neon was running (the list you referred to), but all I have in my current collection to confuse target priority is Redemptors. I love those guys, but they certainly are not the most efficient.
2019/05/13 02:53:12
Subject: Re:Primaris Tactica - Tactics using just Primaris and related models
casvalremdeikun wrote: Tank destroyer Repulsor has fewer tank destroying weapons than the regular one. Good job, GW.
That's just one possible loadout. I'm assuming you can go whole hog AT with the lastalon, heavy laser destroyer and twin lascannon. Macro plasma incinerator, twin HB and heavy onslaught gatling cannon is the anti-infantry option. Anyway, definitely going to convert my vanilla one for my space puppies because I don't really have much use for it's transport capacity and would rather have a proper MBT to provide covering fire and be a distraction carnifex for my choppy units.
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