Bones IV KS - Finished Sept 2, 2017, $3 million

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**Alpharius**

Maniac_nmt wrote:
Before backing, check the delivery date which is February of 2019. That is 1.5 years out

Yeah, I noticed that!

Wow - seems a long ways away...

Unless there's a really amazing terrain piece or model here at a really amazing price, I think I'll be sitting this one out completely this time around.

**overtyrant**

Alpharius wrote:
Maniac_nmt wrote:
Before backing, check the delivery date which is February of 2019. That is 1.5 years out

Yeah, I noticed that!

Wow - seems a long ways away...

Unless there's a really amazing terrain piece or model here at a really amazing price, I think I'll be sitting this one out completely this time around.

Ha, I completely missed that, I just presumed it was next Feb!! Unless there is anything I desperately need I'll give it a pass!!

**Theophony**

Maybe they are finally learning and building in the delay lead time. Have they been consistent with their times or late like the rest.

**highlord tamburlaine**

May use that for a Hunter for my Beastclaw Raiders rather than the old outdated model.

I've got enough Reaper ogres hanging out with my GW ones, their fire giants seem like good companion models for leader types.

**MLaw**

Gallahad wrote:
The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?

I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..

**Bossk_Hogg**

MLaw wrote:
Gallahad wrote:
The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?

I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..

You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.

I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.

**MLaw**

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
MLaw wrote:
Gallahad wrote:
The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?

I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..

You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.

I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.

I agree on the races.. especially their goblins and orcs. Though I guess they've never felt the need.. and since it's geared towards RPG, a uniform look really isn't a necessity. I tend to grab up the "bat nose" style goblins when I see them though.

As small as the starting core is (yes I know there's a dragon), they must really be planning on padding it out a lot for those stretch goals. That might be a good sign though.

**Gitzbitah**

It's looking much more monster focused this time around, which seems like exactly what people wanted. More focus on addons, but that makes sense with a 32 day campaign, rather than Bones 3's quick run.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

I hope they have a few more "units" available, but its a personal wish. I tend to build a new KoW army every-time Bones does a KS, and if I were to do so now, its looking like it would be Goblins.

Part of me hopes those sets of man-sized Minotaurs are cheap as I would be sorely tempted to do Beastmen.

**TheAuldGrump**

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
MLaw wrote:
Gallahad wrote:
The sculpts all seem pretty poor and basically like the fourth repeat of the same tired trope to me. How many hill giants and ogres and poorly sculpted townsfolk do people need?

I hate to say it but tired tropes is Reaper's business model..

You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.

I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.

They give a lot more freedom to their sculptors than many companies do - or at least recently.

Don't look at modern GW or Wyrd - look at classic Ral Partha.

I will be honest - I am more likely to buy Reaper than almost any other company's miniatures - simply because they are more likely to have something that fits my mood or needs of the moment.

And that fire giant.... Yeah, I can find a use for that guy....

The Auld Grump - hunting children through a woods comes to mind....

**ced1106**

MLaw wrote:
lol the only thing in the core set I'm interested in is the pig with the cart.. (wtf is wrong with me???)

That pig just shoved me off the fence and into the core set!

Not as crazy as the Mad Dwarf Puppeteer (and the Dwarf on Pony with Three Pugs) or the Obviously Female Wererat Oh God Why Did You Have To Show Them Wererat Naughty Bits figures from previous Bones (which I bought so there)!

The humongous dragon in the core set is a smart idea. I think Reaper had even too many dragons for its hardcore fans, so might not sell as well as a $15+ add-on. Meanwhile, noobs OMG DRAGON.

BTW, I'm following two other KS, so if anyone wants to post campaign pics, go ahead.

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Bossk_Hogg wrote:
You sell what sells. Their market is mainly RPG players will line up to buy yet another dorf with axe/hammer, elf with bow, beardy wizard and generic human fighter. To Reaper's credit, they also have some totally rando stuff, like a gnome fighter riding a giant bee.

I do wish they'd settle on a standard look for some of their races. There's like 5 different goblin styles, 2 in this KS alone.

I think the advantage of generic fantasy is that you can plop one game system's generic fantasy miniature into another. I mean, FFG's Terrinoth has zero difference with D&D. Meanwhile, science fiction worlds are more unique. I can't, say, drop in a bunch of Greys into an Aliens universe.

At the same time, with the all the different sculpts of the same guys, a player can pick a miniature that looks "just like my character". Heck, I'm in that Hand of Glory RPG generic fantasy miniatures KS where I can have a miniature that also has the same equipment.

As for goblins, I blame the Pathfinder balloon heads.

I figure with different goblin styles, you can have two goblin races ready made to kill each other. Speaking of which, don't insult the baker's wife about her cookies or she'll bean you with the rolling pin, then burn your everything down.

EDIT: Added the Reaper Q&A Informational thread. :
Reaper Q&A Information thread: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/75914-reaper-bones-4-information-thread/

EDIT: Spoke too soon about the sf. I think.

Spoiler:

EDIT: "@Rosemary Ann - our previous two projects had an 18 and 20 month fulfillment time, respectively. We believe 18 months to be a realistic and informed estimate. As always, there are many variables that go into manufacturing on a scale of these projects. Should we fail to break $1,000,000, we would probably be able to fulfill much sooner should be raise over $3,000,000 (as we have done twice before) we could even have underestimated!"

EDIT: "@William Blackwood - we have some other offerings that we believe qualify as cute. This project has some more unusual models than previous ones, with some very fun devils, demons, dragons, and undead, and a few off the wall offerings. With the foundation of the bones line strong and stable, we have the flexibility to experiment with new ideas, and try new things, like the absolutely massive Narglauth, and more."

EDIT: "@Keith - we learned through these projects that after delivery, sometimes there are problems. It is so much easier for backers to reference a model by # than by "third model form the right, under the dragon's foot" so we pre-populate the images with numbers. it also makes it easier to a sk about specific models."

**kestral**

The pig is good, and there are few miniatures I want in the core set, but as usual, not $100 worth. Chronopia is the same way. Looking foward to cheap figs, but probably not going to jump in unless they unveil something like the BFG. Still, bless the hearts of those who do, we can get cheap bones of the things we want in a year or two.

**ced1106**

Yep! Some on the Reaper forums said they're skipping the core and will pick and choose from the add-ons. Reaper said they'll have sets from the core set, prices TBA,

I'm waiting for mouslings and Baba Yaga's House, myself. Not sure what I'd do with the minitaurs, although the leader could be used as a pygmy chieftain. #12 looks good for a Zombicide Ratbomination.

EDIT: Oh, right! Beastmen. Good job!

**Nostromodamus**

Minitaurs will become Beastmen for me, hopefully I can buy more later when they piece out the Core.

Ironically I bought 126 of the Goblins last Bones, now there's 24 in the Core

**highlord tamburlaine**

Someone buy the Chronopia expansion so I can take your dinosaur spacemen.

Some good Rogue Stars fodder in that there expansion.

Maybe we'll luck out and they'll announce a Starfinder partnership at Gen Con? This campaign is running long enough, it's possible...?

**Nostromodamus**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Someone buy the Chronopia expansion so I can take your dinosaur spacemen.

Some good Rogue Stars fodder in that there expansion

I'm buying it for exactly that reason! Even though I have a few of the sculpts already...

But you can't have my dinosaur spacemen, they're mine! All mine! Huehuehue!

**BobtheInquisitor**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Someone buy the Chronopia expansion so I can take your dinosaur spacemen.

Some good Rogue Stars fodder in that there expansion.

Maybe we'll luck out and they'll announce a Starfinder partnership at Gen Con? This campaign is running long enough, it's possible...?

That dinosaur spaceman practically sells the set himself. I am definitely getting it. And no, you can't have my cosmosaurus.

The core set looks promising, especially since the dross will make for low risk painting practice with the boy. I'm surprised how ...rough and "old school" some of the sculpts look.

**ced1106**

Huzzah! Paints! $1.33 each plus shipping vs. $3.29 plus tax.

Oh, and other stuff.

**Nostromodamus**

Wouldn't be Bones without the Core Set Tit Demon!

I'm actually tempted by the paint this time too...

**Alpharius**

I would too - if it weren't for the fact that we wouldn't get them until 2019!

Or will (did?) Reaper do split shipping?

**skullking**

Those Minitaurs!!!!1!!!

They'll become some great Chosen of Hashut, or other Chaos/Abyssal Dwarfy stuff. I've been wanting something like them for awhile.

I actually love that there's plenty of random monsters in these KS. And they've leaked into my armies for lots of other games. Not just WFB, or KoW, but Bloodbowl, Deep Wars, Warmahordes. Its just great to have them for RPGs as well.

**ced1106**

AFAIK, No split shipping. Reaper said that they don't make the paints until shipping: "@Bill Meekins - all rewards will ship together. We will not even MAKE the paint for this project unit a few weeks before shipping, since freshness can be an issue with paint."

How do you decide what paints to buy and what paints to use on a mini? I'll just buy cheap from a good brand, and, I'll sometimes put one of each drop of a color on the wet palette because I'm not sure what shade or saturation I really want. That's a fancy way of saying "I have no idea", though.

Good to see how the minitaurs will be used -- didn't think of beastmen and chaos dwarves. Which I should have, since I have some old ones from about 20=30 years ago -- and Massive Darkness will have evil dwarves that could be used in other games.

EDIT: Ron linked to this pic from Monday: http://forum.reapermini.com/uploads/monthly_2017_07/597fb32c6e854_000_0009(1).thumb.JPG.ae9828ecc5b31f3cef85a55ec54d8a2b.JPG

**Kid_Kyoto**

And over a half a million dollars in under 12 hours. Not a bad little start.

Logic says I should not pledge on this, take a look at the list of unpainted stuff in my blog to see why.

Still the chronoscope stuff is tempting.

And they've not even put up most of the preview models like the zombie dragon or Baba Yaga's Dream House.

**Sining**

Their shipping estimates are insanely....off the mark compared to what they actually charged for bones 3. 30-40 usd for a 'normal' pledge when what I got charged with was 90 usd. And that's for 3 expansions and a tiamat. I'm wondering what normal is. Just the base pledge?

**ced1106**

That Marsh Troll looks like it's ready for a game of Fish -- er, Blood Bowl...

Also, sabretooth pug.

**mdauben**

Tamereth wrote:
As expected the core set is doing nothing for me. Waiting on the large monster add on's before deciding if I should get in on this.

Same here. I didn't jump into B3 until the end because I mainly wanted the big not-Tiamat dragon. After picking that, I added a few more big things, but I might not have bothered without that big dragon.

So far, I like the Dire animals, the two hill giants and the fire giant. Maybe the undead dragon, that's really nice looking.

**MDSW**

Definitely in it at $1 for the Wraiths, at this point and any other add-ons that suit my fancy.

Unfortunately, I really am not a big fan of the rubbery plastic they use and the smushy detail that they get in some of their smaller figures. However, their larger models do have great details. I am looking forward to see what else is unlocked, as there is a long way to go in this KS.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Well, the Chronoscope sci fi expansion is now a must have.

**Ketara**

Chucked in $25 for the Wraiths (for LOTR) and Narglauth (for a Bloodthirster). Don't see much else. Hopefully vic miniatures will chuck another vehicle in, but she'd probably have advertised it by now if she had.

**ced1106**

That works. I'm waiting for the mouslings and Baba Yaga's Condo, myself!

Reaper posted: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/75914-reaper-bones-4-information-thread/&page=4

To Save OneBoot some trouble, I've collected some of my most frequently used answers in document, to make responding faster in the future. I am sharing them here - many have been seen before, and I will also be publishing an update at some point with these Q&A's in them, for backer reference.

Can we *finally* get Sir Forscale in this project?
the scale knight is 77008 - Garrick the bold, available from our web store since 2012, before the first kickstarter ever launched. He will not be offered in this kickstarter.

Core Set Break Up
we typically do not break the Core Set into sub-components until much later in the project, when it is much larger. When we do that, any backer will be able to select those components.

February 2019? Is that a typo?
our previous two projects had an 18 and 20 month fulfillment time, respectively. We believe 18 months to be a realistic and informed estimate. As always, there are many variables that go into manufacturing on a scale of these projects. Should we fail to break $1,000,000, we would probably be able to fulfill much sooner; should be raise over $3,000,000 (as we have done twice before) we could even have underestimated!

Is there a key to the numbers on the Core Set?
we learned through these projects that after delivery, sometimes there are problems. It is so much easier for backers to reference a model by # than by "third model from the right, under the dragon's foot" so we pre-populate the images with numbers. it also makes it easier to a sk about specific models. Most new sculpts will not even have names assigned until 3-4 months before fulfilment.

Do you really accept suggestions for new models?
Yes, we listen to suggestions. about 80% of the project is set in stone. Another 15% or so is grabbed from a list of possible ideas - more ideas than can make it in, so if the crowd advocates for one of those many ideas more than for others, that one is chosen. Another handful are left relatively open, and we see if our sculptors are inspired by these ideas. In Bones 3 this led to the Froghemoth, plant monsters, and Hobgoblins, which were popular requests. With that in mind, we recommend advocating for models you’d like to see, and seeing which ones gain traction within the community, rather than statements like “don’t make ______”, because we won’t be removing anything from the existing plan, but we have space to add new things.

This project is funding very differently/failing/dumb
none of the previous 3 projects had even remotely identical funding "curves" when placed on a graph with each other. Direct comparison is nigh impossible. For instance, Bones 1, which funded the highest, only reached $30,000 at the end of the first 24 hours. Bones 2, on the other hand, reached a million in 24 hours, and bones 3 hit $700,000 in 24 hours.

Are there not multiple EU or AU waves?
EU backers will ship to our facility in the UK or AU, and they will be processed as one wave. It is expected that they will ship TO the UK and AU before US shipping begins, although they will probably arrive after US shipping has concluded.

Add all the paints/certain paint sets, please
we have to limit how many paints are offered because our production capacity maxes out at 21 gallons per day. Across thousands of backers, that's MONTHS of paint production just for 12 colors, it might take years just to produce if we expanded the offering to 54 colors - and that with no paint being made for other sales and products. all rewards will ship together. We will not even MAKE the paint for this project unit a few weeks before shipping, since freshness can be an issue with paint. Working backwards from the expected fulfilment date, we calculate how long it will take, using 50% of our total production capacity to make everything required, plus a little for margin of error, and start making it then.

In a nutshell - no we cannot and will not ship the paint early, because it will not exist.

When is shipping paid?
when you lock in your pledge. It is based off of current shipping rates, and may be updated in the 10 month window the PM is open, so it may be cheapest to lock in as soon as we offer that option

Will there be Stretch Goals in the Pledge Manager?
In bones 3 we experimented with adding on new Stretch Goals in the Pledge Manager, outside of the Kickstarter project. It is possible we may do something similar here, but I cannot promise it at this time.

Is there anything that’s limited quantity or kickstarter exclusive?
nothing is limited quantity. We will make as many as are ordered via the Pledge Manager, plus some for later retail release (after fulfillment). Also no items are kickstarter exclusives, and everything is, or will be available for purchase. The project does offer first dibs, and at a significant discount relative to final retail pricing.

When will the Pledge Manager close?
The Pledge Manager will be open for backers to lock in and add to their pledges until July 31, 2018.

we also have a Facebook page dedicated to this project. Liking that page, and sharing the pictures we post, will draw attention to the project for other people on your friends list in the miniatures/gaming world. https://www.facebook.com/MrBonesTotallyEpicAdventure