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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I dunno man. Being told what to roleplay based on a dice-role seems pretty forced...

I know. Imagine if most of your character (STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA,HP) was determined that way. If that had been the basis of the hobby it would have never survived. ^_~

Also, whenever I read "roll" my brain always inserts "or choose".

 BrookM wrote:
The pre-order bundles do come with digital files as well, those can always be shared with the rest of the group to keep everybody up to speed with the rules.

Officially allowed to be shared or just *wink*wink* shared?

Ow. That is expensive. Still do want. Will probably have to wait now though. I already spent too much on RPGs through Kickstarter last year and still haven't gotten a chance to play those yet.

 warboss wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The pre-order bundles do come with digital files as well, those can always be shared with the rest of the group to keep everybody up to speed with the rules.

Officially allowed to be shared or just *wink*wink* shared?

Erm, YES.


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Boop: https://www.ulisses-us.com/more-information-about-the-wrath-glory-pre-order/

So, what do you think ? Is that new book going to be better than the good old Dark Heresy, Deathwatch, etc. ? What are your feelings about it ?

Too early to say?

 BrookM wrote:
Too early to say?

Yes, for sure !
But I don't know, I am not in this time. I don't think we will get the same atmosphere, the same feelings that with the others if we have a commissar, a space marine and a rogue trader together on a mission,and what kind of mission ? Instead of a beautiful focused time with a strong background and a clear idea of what they are doing and why.

 godardc wrote:
So, what do you think ? Is that new book going to be better than the good old Dark Heresy, Deathwatch, etc. ? What are your feelings about it ?

I'm not hopeful. Clean tumblr-tier art, no compelling flavour in any of the text I've read, no coherent default mission, dubious power tiers, poorly written rules and sloppy editing in the free version (no change from the old system, but no improvement on the obvious weak-point)... just generally nothing that says it's going to be better and quite a few that suggest it will be worse. I wasn't even that much of a fan of the previous efforts.

I think I'll wait and see. If there is a general consensus that it actually works in six months or a year, then I might pick it up if my group express an interest.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

I LIKE that this is a 'unified' setting, and there won't be different rules for what should be the same thing - like psykers - as there was in the recent past.

Much remains to be seen, but I like what I see so far, at least in terms of a good RPG to base a campaign off of.

The product is in good hands IMHO, the attached team introduced to us at the start of the preview cycle is a strong one, many of them veterans when it comes to creating roleplaying games, writing for the setting, or both.

The current setting is excellent for just about any scenario, though the mixed party discussion has been done quite a few times by now in this thread.

I'm probably all in myself, depending on how long the preorders are open, as there's other stuff popping up for preorder this weekend.. I do want to get in on day one for once though, having a product available to all from the get-go instead of being behind months at a time like back then.

Its probably still too early to say. As of now, there are only glimpses of how things work, its totally unclear how it all ties together.

As to the criticism... sure, its very free form from what weve seen, but thats not really a bad thing. Its a lot easier to add restrictions for a campaign (ie, only humans, etc) than it is to try and balance a force of marines and guardsmen that were never designed to act in the same scenario. Having that compatibility gives you waaaay more leeway in terms of possible campaigns.

Though I agree that some of the rules seem a bit... weird atm.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I dunno man. Being told what to roleplay based on a dice-role seems pretty forced...

I know. Imagine if most of your character (STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA,HP) was determined that way. If that had been the basis of the hobby it would have never survived. ^_~

Also, whenever I read "roll" my brain always inserts "or choose".

Hey, I want you to be my DM. I could chose natural 20's all day long....Random assignment of tasks could help entry level players but it is an odd choice in a role playing game. It feels like they wanted a similar mechanic to the miniatures game but didn't know how to make it crossover well.

Chairman Aeon wrote:
I know. Imagine if most of your character (STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA,HP) was determined that way. If that had been the basis of the hobby it would have never survived. ^_~

Way to miss the point dude...

Maybe it's the art style but I'm getting a bit more mainstream and less grimdark feel with this compared with the old FFG works (despite IIRC sharing some artists and writers in common from prior announcements.. correct me if I'm wrong though). That's not meant as a derogatory comment but rather an observation which may be colored by the recently announced kid's book series.

I have some issues, but I think I am going to get it.

Well, as long as there is a reasonably priced books/screen only bundle. I really don't want a ton of cards.

 BrookM wrote:
The product is in good hands IMHO, the attached team introduced to us at the start of the preview cycle is a strong one, many of them veterans when it comes to creating roleplaying games, writing for the setting, or both.

I don't follow these sorts of things much so I am very glad to hear that.

I would have said that I'm very cautiously optimistic, but maybe I can drop the italics or even the 'very'.

I like the dice pool mechanics that've been shown off, and the idea of different tiers of play sound interesting. Hell I am usually one for freedom over constraints in RPGs in general. But I am highly suspicious that going for such a large sandbox approach will make the mechanics that go with it rather bland just to accommodate everything. Going purely Imperial for the core book and bringing in xenos in supplements might have been better.
Still super keen to get my hands on it and give it a shot on Free RPG day though

Same here, but I’m not sure how much you’ll be able to know/judge based off just the FRPGD version.

 godardc wrote:
So, what do you think ? Is that new book going to be better than the good old Dark Heresy, Deathwatch, etc. ? What are your feelings about it ?

Yes, but with a caveat.

The new dice pool system is FAR more appealing to me than the old FFG percentile system, as well as the increase in default power level.

If those "failings" were things you liked, then you should think twice.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 godardc wrote:
So, what do you think ? Is that new book going to be better than the good old Dark Heresy, Deathwatch, etc. ? What are your feelings about it ?

I'm not hopeful. Clean tumblr-tier art, no compelling flavour in any of the text I've read, no coherent default mission, dubious power tiers, poorly written rules and sloppy editing in the free version (no change from the old system, but no improvement on the obvious weak-point)... just generally nothing that says it's going to be better and quite a few that suggest it will be worse. I wasn't even that much of a fan of the previous efforts.

I think I'll wait and see. If there is a general consensus that it actually works in six months or a year, then I might pick it up if my group express an interest.

This is pretty much exactly my take on it thus far.

If I hear good things from people beyond "b-but it's a unified setting so now I can be a Space Marine in any party!" I may give it a whirl. I'm not writing it off entirely, but I'm not holding my breath about moving on from FFG's offerings.

From what I've read, Crucible 7 seem to be doing a far better job with WHF4E. At least I can stand to look at their art.

 Arbitrator wrote:


If I hear good things from people beyond "b-but it's a unified setting so now I can be a Space Marine in any party!" I may give it a whirl. I'm not writing it off entirely, but I'm not holding my breath about moving on from FFG's offerings.

Hmmm...that feels a bit harsh, and certainly necessary.

You having a bad day today?

 Mysterio wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:


If I hear good things from people beyond "b-but it's a unified setting so now I can be a Space Marine in any party!" I may give it a whirl. I'm not writing it off entirely, but I'm not holding my breath about moving on from FFG's offerings.

Hmmm...that feels a bit harsh, and certainly necessary.

You having a bad day today?

It hardly harsh to say he'll give it a whirl if he hears good things.

No, the "b-but" classification of people who are glad to see that we're getting a single setting now.

But that was probably obvious, right?

Hurrah Internet!

You've lost me sorry, I don't know what you mean

No worries, it happens to the best of us!

Can't wait to see what's on offer for the pre-order period, which starts tomorrow.

Hopefully lots of options, though I can see the appeal (for them!) of only two or three 'tiers'.

 Mysterio wrote:
No, the "b-but" classification of people who are glad to see that we're getting a single setting now.

Because that's not really guaranteed to be a positive, and people who point to it as such may not have seen what those sort of systems lead to. The best example is the classic dnd 3.5, with its tenuous balance that simply got worse as more and more options were added all with questionable "balancing" mechanics to keep them in line. It's entirely possible this game will have the same issues, needing house rules and DM fiat just to keep the party operating in the same general zone of balance.

Even allowing normal space marines in a mixed party is practically encouraging the ever popular/annoying hyper specialized combat character who is totally unphased by any combat encounter that won't render the more balanced party members useless, yet is in turn just going to twiddle their thumbs elsewhere.

The old FFG was more limiting but also kept things at a more equal level, with some exceptions.

Sure, that's a fine, valid opinion and it was expressed without being insulting to other people - well done!

I think someone earlier in this thread (or maybe it was in the WFRP thread) that noted that playing *any* RPG strictly by the book is probably the worst gaming experience you'll most likely ever have.

Some more info: https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-pre-order-shipping-and-delivery/

This also includes a list of shipping rates.

edit.

Pre-orders will run until the 30th of July.

I find myself wondering if this will ever see gaming supplements that allow you to play in the Horus Heresy Era.

Not sure how I feel about the 'ruin' mechanic. Feels like a mechanic you'd get in a 1 vs many style game.

Tomorrow will feel a lot like Christmas! (Even if I have to wait till August to open the presents)