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You're not going to try and make WANG a thing here, are you?

I've already put in a request for W&G to become the official acronym for Dakka Dakka.

 BrookM wrote:
I've already put in a request for W&G to become the official acronym for Dakka Dakka.

Yes, let's go with that here, please.

And I approve of that being the official one as it wouldn't be appropriate for the other. @Mysterio: I'm not trying to make anything including fetch happen. Call the game what you wish. I simply find the alternative WANG to be irreverantly humorous (similar to Star Trek Discovery's STD nickname).

It's already called WANG in most of the internet communities I visit.

I don't really care either way, it's just amusing that there are grown men in the world who are uneasy with acronyms like WANG. Reminds me of all the tears regarding Star Trek Discovery being called STD.

Not so much uneasy, but rather I think immature may be the better description here? Though given the original source it shouldn't be surprising.

Guys, it's not like 40k is all that mature to begin with, you know...

 BrookM wrote:
Not so much uneasy, but rather I think immature may be the better description here? Though given the original source it shouldn't be surprising.

What if we paired it with an animated gif of some luscious red lip sticked lips licking?

Don't tempt me.

More on topic though, have there been any more reviews on this thing? I've skipped out on the preorder due to it coinciding with the Imperial Knight release and well.. not getting a great vibe from the last few previews.

 BrookM wrote:
Don't tempt me.

More on topic though, have there been any more reviews on this thing? I've skipped out on the preorder due to it coinciding with the Imperial Knight release and well.. not getting a great vibe from the last few previews.

https://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/17/17717.phtml

Six more at drivethrurpg.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/249388/Wrath--Glory-Core-Rules

Many thanks!

Reading through one of those reviews...

The game has both a static DR pool and a static(ish) damage system. This means for example that a regular Ork Boy is almost impervious to las gun fire, for example a regular hit can never do damage without any special abilities or glory being used. There is a reason that most games either roll for damage (DnD) or roll for Damage Reduction (Shadowrun).

Something similar was brought up here in the thread that it felt impossible to damage the enemies in the intro adventure with some weapons (although they were nurgle iirc so there is some fluff basis to that). Has that potential issue been changed since being brought up? It was in the early summer so likely the books were already printed and on the slow boat from China.


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 BrookM wrote:
Many thanks!

No worries. Always willing to help a fellow potential WANGer.

Played today. 6 hour session preceeded with about 3 hours of character generation, which is a novel method of torture in itself.

It's basically like playing D&D 3.0 edited by the GW rules team. A bloated, convoluted, inelegant mess of a book with rules all over the place, inconsistent mechanics, summary tables contradicting each other on a regular basis and page references pointing in random directions.

In essence, this is a 90s RPG crossbred with the latest hipster brew of crunch-disguised-as-narrative. It's like someone played D&D for 20 years, then read FATE once and tried to mesh both together into a 40k simulator under strict orders that buckets of dice are fun, math doesn't matter and players should reference at least 30 pages worth of rules, inexplicably spread out across 300 pages of book, to do a basic attack.

I will actually give it a 0 out of 10. You are seriously better off taking a random d20 sci-fi build, or a FATE build if you're heavy into pretending that crunch is narrative if you put enough fluff behind each number, or just play Kill Team for combat and freeform the story, seriously anything else is better.

So... pretty faithful to the wargame then?

...I'll get my coat

I almost forgot the bizarre random starting gear table, where my Priest got a relic straight from Holy Terra and the Rogue Trader scored a parrot servitor mp3 player, while the Scout got a pack of smokes and the SoB got CLEAN SOCKS.

Clean socks can be a life saver... But the rest of that doesn't sound good. I'm hoping to try it out myself in three weeks. Is that random table for trinkets or real gear?


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 Albertorius wrote:
So... pretty faithful to the wargame then?

...I'll get my coat

Nah, this isn't dp9forum.com. It's ok to criticize the game the forum is named after. If it wasn't, my post count would be 1/3 lower.

 BrookM wrote:
Not so much uneasy, but rather I think immature may be the better description here?

Yeah pretty much that.

Of course, it probably says a bit about the person who thinks it makes someone else 'uneasy' though?

Still on the fence about this one.

I mean, sure, I love to collect and read RPGs that I'll never play, but...will this one have enough to it to be worth it?

Next morning, thinking back to what another player said, the convoluted mechanics and arduous character generation are that much more disappointing because there's no reward at the end. You don't get to make a clever character build with powerful synergies. For all that work, you still get a dude with core attributes and skills and maybe a feat that all work like in D&D, one class ability and... that's it.

To ad insult to injury, if you take a Tier 1 class (like a Guardsman, Priest of Ganger) for a Tier 2+ game, you need to stat them up for a Tier 1 game first, then level them up, which, unless you want to suddenly discover psychic powers, really translates into a 10% build point tax for virtually no gain, compared to taking a Tier 2 class, and you end up with a character who can barely hit and can't hurt Tier 2 enemies (for example, las weapons and hand flamers literally cannot harm a Genestealer in any way).*

Action resolution is long and convoluted and the rules are scattered all over the place, and this is just the basic rules. As I said, characters don't really have fancy abilities that would reward them for mastering the system. It's just a plain old numbers contest, but then, in classic 40k fashion, there are a bunch of minor special rules about the dice rolls tacked on everywhere that tend to work slightly differently depending on what roll you are making.


* I exaggerate, of course. If you roll at least four 6s out of your your six or so attack dice, then a 6 on both of your damage dice, you can do 1 wound. Repeat 8 times and they're dead. Unless they elect to dodge (soak), which converts wounds into fatigue (shock) and gives them a buffer of another 6 epic critical hits on your part. Of course, a Genestealer will kill you back in 2 hits tops.

How is the fluff of the book?

Fluff is a bit on the light side, and is roughly comparable to a 40k core rulebook. FFG rpgs delved deeper into their fluff, but could do so because they focused on a particular area.

To its credit, W&G has a LOT more ground to cover (evident in Orks/Eldar fluff, which are sparse).

Do we have anything on a official release date ?

I could swear I saw pre-orders that said September, but Amazon lists December.

Sounds like this was a dodged bullet...

And I still vote for WANG. It's funny.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sounds like this was a dodged bullet...

How so?

Or do you mean for you personally?

Errata up, mostly for the printed version (as the pdf has been already updated):

https://www.ulisses-us.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Wrath-Glory-Errata_v6.pdf

 Albertorius wrote:
Errata up, mostly for the printed version (as the pdf has been already updated):

https://www.ulisses-us.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Wrath-Glory-Errata_v6.pdf

Thanks for the link! Sucks for those who buy hard copies I suppose but that's one of the benefits of a legal digital copy. I think I prefer the technique of releasing the pdf first and then using the feedback to incorporate the errata into the 1st printing of the hard copy (although I'm not advocating for crowdsourcing proper editing and proofreading as a replacement for a professional pass on both). Since they were rushing it out for gencon, I suppose that wasn't an option.

It looks like they're increasing the easy build array cost for at least one tier which makes the issue of not being able to use it with some combos even worse. On page 1, does this make sense?

PAGE 193
Improve Attributes: Change the BP value for the
second improvement to 15 instead of 10; the
total points spent is 23 instead of 18.

It's been a while since I looked but that seems to be a big jump. Does the errata need an errata?

I have to admit that I have no idea. On first blush, it seems to exacerbate the issue we already saw cropping up, as less character options will be viable with the suggested stats.

Well, this game has at least one mega fan willing to go over it tooth and comb to find mistakes.

https://www.ulisses-us.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=3007

The game couldn't possibly be more full of worse-written rules than FFG's.

 warboss wrote:
Well, this game has at least one mega fan willing to go over it tooth and comb to find mistakes.

https://www.ulisses-us.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=3007

Welp, that's some dedication... maybe send the guy preview copies of the books next time? I mean, as much as a gesture of thanks as to have him pore over the books...

Are the books in stores?