40K RPG WRATH & GLORY

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**BrookM**

New one:

**Mr_Rose**

Wait, I never got a straight answer to this; were the heels on the death-cultists supposed to be an extra weapon, or part of their self-flagellation?

**Galas**

They wear basically BDSM,latex-asphyxiation suits so the heels are fitting.

**Mr_Rose**

So… that’s a “yes” then?

**BrookM**

Rule of cool really, apply whatever result works best for you.

**Tyr13**

... and if youre not into combat heels, you can always lop the legs off and get bionics. Properly grimdark.

**Mr Morden**

Galas wrote:
They wear basically BDSM,latex-asphyxiation suits so the heels are fitting.

Likely for both sexes (if that is still applicable)

**BrookM**

And another one:

**Manchu**

The DCA and Crusader bother look ace,

**Alpharius**

Ooh, I like that one!

Keep 'em coming!

**Yodhrin**

I mean, they're nice enough pieces of art, but I don't buy expensive RPG books for "nice enough" depictions of stuff there's already a lot of really cool depictions of.

This is why I was reticent about the basic concept of doing an "all-in-one" RPG version of 40K, it's not going to provide anywhere near the level of detailed new material that the older RPGs did.

**warboss**

I wonder with this weekend's announcement of further Custodes models and a codex if they'll include them as well. If bog standard tactical marines are Tier 3 then I could see starting Custodes power armor guys as Tier 4 potentially.

**Kroem**

How would you fit a Custodes into the RPG though?

They are already peerless fighters and have no concern other than defending the Emperor so not great for player characters.

They could make good high level enemies, but as they only can be found on Terra it might be difficult to explain why there is a room full of Custodes in a dungeon in the Segmentum Obscurus!

**BrookM**

The recent developments in background material have already clarified why the Custodes are leaving Terra officially for the first time in millennia: A threat to the Emperor can come from everywhere and must be fought head on.

**Caliginous**

Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, they're nice enough pieces of art, but I don't buy expensive RPG books for "nice enough" depictions of stuff there's already a lot of really cool depictions of.

This is why I was reticent about the basic concept of doing an "all-in-one" RPG version of 40K, it's not going to provide anywhere near the level of detailed new material that the older RPGs did.

Isn’t the main book just going to be the mechanics and the sourcebooks/campaign books will set the specific PC races and character classes?

**Kroem**

Ah I missed that development.

I don't really agree with that strategy, if you start dispersing your lifeguard of foot around the galaxy then you fatally weaken the protection around the person you are supposed to protect.

However I cannot dispute that it can happen, the Praetorians for example started out as an elite military unit but progressed into more of a government ministry exacting the Emperors will with its members more like civil servants than soldiers.

**BrookM**

There will always be a strong contingent of Custodians who will never leave Terra after entering the throne room itself. Only instead of policing Terra itself from the shadows, or sneaking off-world on secret missions of their own, they are now going to war openly, doing something other than patrolling the halls and hunting the odd xeno or traitor let loose as sport.

The novels Emperor's Legion and to a lesser extent Carrion Throne both shed light on how the Custodes functioned before and after it all went tits up.

**Kroem**

sneaking off-world on secret missions of their own

Haha now I'm imagining a monstrous man in massive, garish gold armour tiptoeing around :-p

I suppose if you can have alien characters there is potential for Custodes to be enemies in a campaign, however the threat to the Imperium would have to be cataclysmic to warrant their attendance and they should be one of the hardest enemies in the book.

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On the subject of aliens do we know which ones will be playable?

It says 'classic xenos' so that potentially puts Necrons and Tau out of the picture as they are new kids on the block.
That just leaves Eldar, Orks and Tyranids.

I can't see how you could role play a Tyranid (outside of a Zoat I suppose) so that leaves Eldar and Orks! Role playing an Ork sounds like a right laugh :-)

**Yodhrin**

Caliginous wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, they're nice enough pieces of art, but I don't buy expensive RPG books for "nice enough" depictions of stuff there's already a lot of really cool depictions of.

This is why I was reticent about the basic concept of doing an "all-in-one" RPG version of 40K, it's not going to provide anywhere near the level of detailed new material that the older RPGs did.

Isn’t the main book just going to be the mechanics and the sourcebooks/campaign books will set the specific PC races and character classes?

When I talk about detailed new material, I refer to stuff like The Lathe Worlds, or the specific info about various Calixis sector criminal groups and societies etc. The new RPG's scope is "everything in 40K", from fresh-pressed Guardsman all the way up to the most tippy-top elite soldiers and even apparently Imperial Knights. I liked when the characters come out of the specific setting, rather than defining the characters down to the most minute detail but giving only the broadest strokes for where they are and what they're doing.

**EnTyme**

Have we received any new information on WHFRPG or AOSRPG?

**Alpharius**

Maybe?

But this wouldn't be the thread for it...

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Maybe?

But this wouldn't be the thread for it...

**Iron_Captain**

Yodhrin wrote:
Caliginous wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, they're nice enough pieces of art, but I don't buy expensive RPG books for "nice enough" depictions of stuff there's already a lot of really cool depictions of.

This is why I was reticent about the basic concept of doing an "all-in-one" RPG version of 40K, it's not going to provide anywhere near the level of detailed new material that the older RPGs did.

Isn’t the main book just going to be the mechanics and the sourcebooks/campaign books will set the specific PC races and character classes?

When I talk about detailed new material, I refer to stuff like The Lathe Worlds, or the specific info about various Calixis sector criminal groups and societies etc. The new RPG's scope is "everything in 40K", from fresh-pressed Guardsman all the way up to the most tippy-top elite soldiers and even apparently Imperial Knights. I liked when the characters come out of the specific setting, rather than defining the characters down to the most minute detail but giving only the broadest strokes for where they are and what they're doing.

Well, it is a roleplaying game. There is a vast amount of background material for 40k already available. Coming up with a good setting for a campaign would be trivially easy even if Wrath and Glory doesn't provide any details. I do hope they will provide a detailed setting though. I absolutely love reading through RPG setting material.

**BrookM**

Final character preview:

**warboss**

Why final? No marine previews? That's a surprising change from GW's usual schtick.

**Manchu**

She looks pretty great, although the eyes are a little dead.

**H.B.M.C.**

How... how does the Crusader turn his head?

Yodhrin wrote:
When I talk about detailed new material, I refer to stuff like The Lathe Worlds,

Damn straight you do!

Manchu wrote:
She looks pretty great, although the eyes are a little dead.

I'd argue most sisters players are a little dead in the ey... oh we're talking about the artwork.

**Manchu**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd argue most sisters players are a little dead in the ey... oh we're talking about the artwork.

It's almost like you want to start me off on a rant!

**Caliginous**

Yodhrin wrote:
Caliginous wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, they're nice enough pieces of art, but I don't buy expensive RPG books for "nice enough" depictions of stuff there's already a lot of really cool depictions of.

This is why I was reticent about the basic concept of doing an "all-in-one" RPG version of 40K, it's not going to provide anywhere near the level of detailed new material that the older RPGs did.

Isn’t the main book just going to be the mechanics and the sourcebooks/campaign books will set the specific PC races and character classes?

When I talk about detailed new material, I refer to stuff like The Lathe Worlds, or the specific info about various Calixis sector criminal groups and societies etc. The new RPG's scope is "everything in 40K", from fresh-pressed Guardsman all the way up to the most tippy-top elite soldiers and even apparently Imperial Knights. I liked when the characters come out of the specific setting, rather than defining the characters down to the most minute detail but giving only the broadest strokes for where they are and what they're doing.

Why don’t you wait to see what actually transpires before you complain?

I have everything released for Deathwatch, Black Crusade and Dark Hetesy 1, and a few of the Rogue Trader and Only War books - I enjoyed all the new detail as much as anyone, but I cannot wait for a new, clean, fresh approach first and foremost. I’m excited - whether there is “new” fluff content or not is neither here nor there at the moment.

**BrookM**

From the latest newsletter:

First of all, I want to say I’m very pleased about the overwhelmingly positive reactions from our fans to the character archetype artwork. It is a real tribute to the artist, Alberto Bontempi, who is doing great deeds illustrating the archetypes in Wrath & Glory. This time around, I’m going to talk a little bit about character generation in Wrath & Glory.

One key thing to know from the start: Wrath & Glory does not lock your character into a pre-determined path. Each archetype, such as Imperial Commissar, has its own distinct flavor and special ability to set it apart from the others. Once you’ve chosen your species (such as human, ork, eldar, and so forth), and selected your archetype, Wrath & Glory’s character generation is very free-form, letting you build the character you want.

Characters in Wrath & Glory are composed of several factors. We’ve already mentioned species and archetype, and in addition, characters have a series of attributes and skills to determine their particular focus in the game. Your character’s background informs where they came from or where they are going in the game’s narrative. The hero may have a few, rare Talents that give them some extra options and abilities. Plus, each archetype provides some of your character’s equipment—gear that you may also customize if you wish.

Character generation also provides your hero with Keywords. These represent your character’s alliances, allegiances, and contacts. Many times, these are appropriate for your chosen species and archetype, but there are definitely ways to gain additional keywords or to replace one of your existing keywords with another of your choosing. Keywords are important, because they help inform you and the Game Master as to what connections your character has to the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Having the right keyword can mean the difference if you are trying to acquire a rare item, seeking information amongst certain factions, or trying to curry favor with a species not your own.

-Ross Watson, Product Line Manager

**odinsgrandson**

warboss wrote:
Why final? No marine previews? That's a surprising change from GW's usual schtick.

Have they said that they'll be doing separate books for various races, or is that just speculation?

If they're doing separate ones, I can see how they'd want to do a marine book second instead of first (at least for my group, we probably wouldn't get into a game where women aren't allowed to be PCs).

Personally, I think I'm looking forward to an Ork book. I mean, that'd be really awesome.