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Thanks, Ken

 insaniak wrote:

 kendoka wrote:
As requested, the new Necromundians in a lineup with older GW miniatures:

Thanks for that.

So yes, as feared, they're gigantic.

Dont forget she is wearing pretty big platform shoes

With all this excitement over a new edition of the game I nearly forgot about the awesome Redemptioist Gang I converted....which was stolen a couple years ago. :-(

At least I still have all my Van Saar conversions! Looking forward to seeing the new rules.

Ahhh wonderful I can get into this for sure!

 Thargrim wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:
I understand that not everyone is into Blanches art or design work; it's all subjective, of course. But so much of the look and style of 40k is basically torn right out of Blanche that his persistent detractors really do have to make some impressive leaps into their own fantasy in order to slate him.

John Blanche is as 40k, through and through, as much as Jes Goodwin and Rick Priestley. You might not like him, but don't go rewriting history in order to count him out.

I believe he also did the cover art for the very first edition of WH fantasy. So he's basically been around and shaping the look of GW stuff since before 40k was even dreamed up. The thing about Necromunda is its supposed to have a wacky 80s inspired weirdness, with a dose of cyberpunk/cybergoth styling.

The whole aesthetic of Necromunda came out of 2000AD which began in the 70s. Necromunda is, to all intents and purposes, Megacity 1. Citadel produced Judge Dredd miniatures from 1985, with the miniatures evolving into the Arbites. Maegacity 1 had different gangs such as the 'Fatties' and 'Angels', which shaped the aesthetic of the first gangs from Confrontation. 2000AD was hugely popular at the time that Rogue Trader was introduced as well so if anything shaped the look of 40K it was artists such as Ian Gibson and Alan Moore who were imitated by people such as Blanche. Everything is derivative but there was some incredible talent coming out of Britain in the 70s and 80s which was hugely influential.

The Goliaths are on 32mm bases and the gals are on 25mm...

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 kendoka wrote:
As requested, the new Necromundians in a lineup with older GW miniatures:

Thanks for that.

So yes, as feared, they're gigantic.

Dont forget she is wearing pretty big platform shoes

And has her hair in like a two foot pony tail.

I'm going to be very interested to see the Van Saar gang, that's my choice to play with!

insaniak wrote:

 kendoka wrote:
As requested, the new Necromundians in a lineup with older GW miniatures:

Thanks for that.

So yes, as feared, they're gigantic.


I might be excited enough about new models to wait and see how they actually look mixed in with the old models... if it's not too glaring on the tabletop, then it can just pass off as normal human variation, although it makes conversions between them trickier. But it's certainly dulled my enthusiasm considerably.

They're not "gigantic", they're in line with modern releases. I'm sorry if you expected a plastic mini cast in 2017 to be the same size as a pewter mini cast in 1995, but that's on you, not GW.

 complex57 wrote:
I will say that I do hope that isn't going to be the common size for all the Goliath pistols.

I'm kinda hoping that is some form of grenade launcher or rotating shotgun.

Stub cannon!

T


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 Crimson wrote:
I guess the Escher are about 35 mm tall, not counting the hair.

 JoeRugby wrote:
It's beyond my abilities

so I'd be very greatful if someone could do the actual measurements from some kind of photoshop.

:Thumbsup:

Playing with the las pistol/sword Escher in photoshop, I'm coming up with 33.86mm to the top of her head hair (not counting the topknot), so Crimson is pretty close.

T

Holy Terra!

Necromunda's Back!

Man, GW sure does listen these days, it's great!

Really hoping for sets with TONS of options, lots of different guns/head/accesories. You should be able to get a few gang boxes, and be able to assemble all the figures in every set as noticeably different looking models.

These gangs will be great assets to 40k armies as well. Obviously, they make great chaos cultists, but also, if they have separate heads (and maybe even not if they're delaque) they can easily be made into genestealers brood brothers. Then there's acolytes for the imperial agents. Imperial Guard recruits from other worlds. Lots of cool stuff!

I hope there's a good mix of male & female gangers as well, it makes more sense that everyone would fight in these instances. And yeah, the Escher should have a few men as well (though if I recall my fluff correctly, they're rather pathetic dudes).

Would love to see lots of different body types as well. Not everyone in the underhive needs sixpack abs and supermodel curves. There needs to be Fat/skinny/and everything in between people. I still love the figure from the original series of the 'underhive scum' guy. He was overweight, had ruddy clothes and was Brashly threatening with a plasma pistol. He looked like a 'real' person... in this sci-fi far future game with laser guns...



On that note, glad to hear that classic figures will be remade, I love some of those old figures.

I hope chaos cultists and Genestealer cults will be in the underhive as well. It would make a fun element to the game, and give the redemptionists more stuff to get 'fired' up about.

 EnTyme wrote:

They're not "gigantic", they're in line with modern releases. I'm sorry if you expected a plastic mini cast in 2017 to be the same size as a pewter mini cast in 1995, but that's on you, not GW.

We've already covered that. There was no expectation.

I don't have a problem with GW releasing minis in whatever scale they want. My sole point is that I'm not interesting in changing scales. I have a bunch of Necromunda miniatures already, so new miniatures are only appealing if they fit with what I already have.


So yes, that's 'on me'... I've never made any claim that GW were doing anything 'wrong' with the gradual scale creep, just that I'm not a fan of it and that will affect my choice to open my wallet or not.


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 skullking wrote:

I hope chaos cultists and Genestealer cults will be in the underhive as well. It would make a fun element to the game, and give the redemptionists more stuff to get 'fired' up about.

Yeah, cultists (of both types) are pretty perfectly suited to the setting.


Although having rules for individual gang members to be secret cult members could add fun elements, as well...

People in real life are different heights. I'm sure the miniatures will look fine together.

Well, that's me sold. I know what my next project is after my 30K Blood Angels.

Oh man, this is great. The minis look great (in the raw plastic at least), and I'm loving the slightly larger scale and better proportions.

I can't wait to see the arbites. Would be far too OP for Necromunda probably, but would be fun to see them make a plastic Repressor to go with them.

Scale creep is unfortunate. I'd rather they be scaled to fit the chaos cultists released in the Dark Vengeance.

MattW wrote:
Oh man, this is great. The minis look great (in the raw plastic at least), and I'm loving the slightly larger scale and better proportions.

I can't wait to see the arbites. Would be far too OP for Necromunda probably, but would be fun to see them make a plastic Repressor to go with them.

Wouldn't be too hard for them to modify the Goliath rockgrinder to make a newer version of the repressor.

 judgedoug wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Dodgy paintjob

Lol no

Actually, yes. Like almost every bit of work we've seen in this style(I assume it's one guy but maybe this is the new "house style" for FW/SGS, either way) it is technically proficient but does a piss-poor job of showing off the detail of the model - look at the Escher ganger with the laspistol relative to the bare plastic version, all the detail on the face has been "blown out" by the highlights and she looks like a painted china doll. And that's been a near universal problem with this painter/style - people see the painted model and react badly, then they see the bare plastic or resin and realise there's actually loads of detail there on the model that the painter has obscured; it's like a photo taken with too much flash.

When the point of this stuff is to "sell" people on the miniatures enough they'll fork over FW/GW prices for them, I'd say if you get to the stage that people would rather judge by the bare plastic that "dodgy" is a fair description.

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On the multipart vs multipose discussion: tbh don't care. If they provide a set of solid body poses with a good selection of heads and a wide array of weapon & gear options, that'll do me. Unlike the Primaris their clothing/armour isn't uniform so not being multipose will make things a bit more limiting, but I can put up with the additional effort of doing reposing myself and there's something more to consider this time around that we didn't have back in the 90's - the sheer range of conversion fodder. If you need more Goliath poses you've got Bloodreavers aplenty to tech-up with spare bitz; indications are other gangs will be getting female miniatures that you can plunder and punkify to expand your Escher if the range provided doesn't provide enough variety for your taste; GSC and Skitarii bitz will make creating more unique "techy" styled gangs much easier. Not to mention, the great likelihood is the third-party market for not-Necro models is going to bloody explode once there's a new version being sold and supported in stores, so as long as you're not stuck playing only in a GW store(condolences) there will be even more options out there to choose from and this time around they'll just be a google search away.

 Crimson wrote:
You can pretty accurately asses the sizes of the models by the bases. The Escher are pretty tall. Greyfax sized, maybe. Taller than Cadians definitely. Despide being wide, the Goliaths are not freakishly tall.

When you measure Greyfax in a way that accounts for her armoured stiletto heels she's about 30mm to the eyes, 32mm to the top of the head(sans hat), which is consistent with the Scion-and-afterwards plastic humans for 40K(which often appear shorter due to their pose and relative bulk) most of which are either the same size or taller than the old Marine kits(basically everything except Deathwatch and Primaris). Like Greyfax, the Escher appear to have some pretty gnarly footwear going on there, so hopefully they're consistent with GW's "post-CAD" scale.

 insaniak wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:


I still don't understand why so many people are insisting that these models are bigger than the normal humans GW has released in the last few years. Skitarii, GS Cults, Plague Walkers are all similar sizes.

Being bigger than recent 40k releases isn't the problem. It's being bigger than the existing Necromunda range that is likely to cause consternation amongst veteran players.

I would have loved new models to supplement my current Escher, Orlock, Goliath and Ratskin gangs. I'm not interested in replacing those models.

Honestly while I can understand it's disappointing, there was never any realistic expectation that they would deliberately produce models that don't fit in with their modern product range, consternation at them being in-scale with recent human plastic kits rather than the old metals would be like consternation at GW if they finally released a new plastic Imperial Guard box and didn't scale them with 1990's metal Cadians.

Also, its not like those models will have no potential use - I'm assuming there will still be Juves in Newcromunda, models with a similar aesthetic in a slightly smaller scale would be ideal for them no?

 Breotan wrote:
Scale creep is unfortunate. I'd rather they be scaled to fit the chaos cultists released in the Dark Vengeance.

They are. DV Cultists, Scions, Skitarii, GSC - all the recent GW human kits, once you account for pose and gear eccentricities, are 29-31mm to the eye. These look like they'll fall right on that scale as well. EDIT: The Escher, I mean, the Goliath look to me scaled more in line with the Bloodreaver kit(GW's new "big human-but-not-transhuman" size).

these minis'l also make great chaos cultists I'm thinking

When people suggested the teaser was for Necromunda I hoped, but didn't want to get my hopes too high. Now it's finally here!

The more I hear and see of Newcromunda the more I like it. The new rules sound like they will hopefully be solid, and the new miniatures look like they will be awesome. I was really excited to hear that we will be getting all the old gangs back, and that there will be new ones is icing on the cake. With the new plastic kits I look forwards to going to town with conversions, and they will be really useful for other post-apocalyptic games and the new 40K RPG as well.

It seems like this is a good time to be a Necromunda fan!

Cancelled my Game of Thrones pledge as soon as I saw this.

New minis look great. Cannot wait to see more.

~Eric

 Yodhrin wrote:

Honestly while I can understand it's disappointing, there was never any realistic expectation that they would deliberately produce models that don't fit in with their modern product range, consternation at them being in-scale with recent human plastic kits rather than the old metals would be like consternation at GW if they finally released a new plastic Imperial Guard box and didn't scale them with 1990's metal Cadians.

Given that people have been complaining about the boofy proportions of the current Cadian plastics compared to the much more nicely proportioned and more human-scaled 2nd edition metal Guard, it would also be equally unsurprising for people to have issues with that...


Look, I get that scale creep is a thing. But it doesn't have to be a thing, and it's a little infuriating that GW keep doing it. It might allow for prettier models... but the end result is pretty models that don't fit in with existing collections, and that's just frustrating.

Also, its not like those models will have no potential use - I'm assuming there will still be Juves in Newcromunda, models with a similar aesthetic in a slightly smaller scale would be ideal for them no?

That only works if Juves are allowed to take weapons other than pistols and ccws in this edition...

The goliaths are a great size to depict nude-stodes, for those who prefer the older fluff for custodians arms and armor

But otherwise I am SO excited! I can't wait to see an Arbites kit. I very much imagine it and spyrers are going to be the back bones of alot of new guard armies even if the codex ends up being terrible. :lol

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Ok got slightly worried thinking they would be FW resin and then read multi part plastic and thus a new wave of joy hits.

I am sure all Heroes and Specials will be FW.

 insaniak wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Honestly while I can understand it's disappointing, there was never any realistic expectation that they would deliberately produce models that don't fit in with their modern product range, consternation at them being in-scale with recent human plastic kits rather than the old metals would be like consternation at GW if they finally released a new plastic Imperial Guard box and didn't scale them with 1990's metal Cadians.

Given that people have been complaining about the boofy proportions of the current Cadian plastics compared to the much more nicely proportioned and more human-scaled 2nd edition metal Guard, it would also be equally unsurprising for people to have issues with that...


Look, I get that scale creep is a thing. But it doesn't have to be a thing, and it's a little infuriating that GW keep doing it. It might allow for prettier models... but the end result is pretty models that don't fit in with existing collections, and that's just frustrating.

Also, its not like those models will have no potential use - I'm assuming there will still be Juves in Newcromunda, models with a similar aesthetic in a slightly smaller scale would be ideal for them no?

That only works if Juves are allowed to take weapons other than pistols and ccws in this edition...

It's not really scale creep in the case of human models, it's a scale jump they did several years ago (when they moved to CAD basically) that they've kept consistent ever since.
looking at the corrected comparison pic, the Escher look to be about 2mm taller than the old ones, with head, hands and feet being the same size. I don't see the problem, and I'll certainly use them with my substantial metal Escher collection.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:


What are you talking about when you say other factions were "later"?. They were all released at exactly the same time, just in a different book.

Um .. no? The separate Shadow War Armageddon book outside the box was not originally planned and fast-tracked by GW due to the crazy demand. At that stage they added the rules for factions other than BA Scouts, Orks or Guard.

It took two or three weeks of people afraid they wouldn't get rules at all after the box sold out in a few minutes, and several more weeks for GW to get the unplanned re-print (with added factions) to the store (including a rare two-week pre-order window for people to get in).

The game was released as a game for BA scouts and/or Guard vs. Orks. Had it been less successful, that is all it would've ever been.

Great news for those of you after a copy of the rules for Shadow War: Armageddon.

Following the unprecedented demand for this game, our book team have thrown themselves into creating a new rulebook you’ll be able to order separately. Not content just to make the book a copy of the one that appears in the boxed game, though, they have also added in all the extra content too: all the factions that have had their rules published as PDFs will be included. And, following numerous requests we’ve received from the community (that’s you), we’ll be adding in two new factions – the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas and warbands from the Inquisition.

How cool is that?

The book will be available to pre-order on Saturday the 22nd of April.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soongw-homepage-post-4/

We had the rules for all the others at the store when the demo kit arrived 2 weeks before it came out.

 insaniak wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Honestly while I can understand it's disappointing, there was never any realistic expectation that they would deliberately produce models that don't fit in with their modern product range, consternation at them being in-scale with recent human plastic kits rather than the old metals would be like consternation at GW if they finally released a new plastic Imperial Guard box and didn't scale them with 1990's metal Cadians.

Given that people have been complaining about the boofy proportions of the current Cadian plastics compared to the much more nicely proportioned and more human-scaled 2nd edition metal Guard, it would also be equally unsurprising for people to have issues with that...


Look, I get that scale creep is a thing. But it doesn't have to be a thing, and it's a little infuriating that GW keep doing it. It might allow for prettier models... but the end result is pretty models that don't fit in with existing collections, and that's just frustrating.

But this isn't scale creep, is the point. They established a new scale, and they've stuck with it consistently for four distinct plastic human releases over several years and now intend to continue sticking with it with the Newcromunda plastics, which is good - you bring up the Cadians, well look at the recent discussion surrounding vague rumours/hopes of plastic Steel Legion; which is more common, people hoping they're in-scale with the recent widely praised human plastics, or people hoping they're in the same scale as the 17 year old metals? Which hope is more realistic? What you were hoping for wasn't an end to scale creep, it was a reversion to a previous scale they haven't used in decades, and while it may be frustrating for you they're not doing that it was never a realistic or reasonable expectation.

This is pretty exciting, as I've got Escher and Spyrers ready to play.

I wonder what the rules will be like.


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Look, I get that scale creep is a thing. But it doesn't have to be a thing, and it's a little infuriating that GW keep doing it. It might allow for prettier models... but the end result is pretty models that don't fit in with existing collections, and that's just frustrating.

But this isn't scale creep, is the point. They established a new scale,

people hoping they're in the same scale as the 17 year old metals?

Establishing "a new scale" is the very definition of "scale creep".

Given how stupid it is that ordinary humans have gotten HUGE in the move to plastic, and how it devalues plastic SMs and Orcs and Nids and everything else, going back 20 years for the size of a regular human recruit is the best idea. I've said as much before, and I'll say it again. Plus, the plastic Catachans and Cadians look stupid.

I do wonder how Spyrers will turn out in this new rendition.

Well all of that money I haven't been spending on 8th edition and all those new stupid marines, looks like GW have found a way to get hold of it.

I'll probably being buying one of everything they release for this game.

Now if they can make the game itself good to play as well.......