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 Crimson wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:


Though there aren't and GSC or Skitarii models in this comparison, it's fairly obvious based on the models present that they're in line with other modern minis.

This comparison is misleading, as it has elves (which are taller than humans), Bloodbowl humans and Chaos Marauders, both of which are taller than most of GW's human figures, and Greyfax, who is a giant. GSC and Skitarii you mentioned are definitely noticeably shorter than any of these.

Here's a quick and dirty comparison of some modern human GW models. The AoS Khorne guys and SoS are about a full head taller than Cultists and GSC(didn't have any Skitarii to hand, they're in storage). Didn't realize how tall SoS really were until I did this, honestly.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Here's a quick and dirty comparison of some modern human GW models. The AoS Khorne guys and SoS are about a full head taller than Cultists and GSC(didn't have any Skitarii to hand, they're in storage). Didn't realize how tall SoS really were until I did this, honestly.

Yep. The Escher are SoS height, freakishly tall. GSC and Skitarii are way more reasonably sized.

You have to be careful with bases. SoS come with 32mm bases which are noticeably taller than the 25mm bases GSC are supplied with.

Here are a couple, both on 25mm. The Sister is taller than the cultist for sure. I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You have to be careful with bases. SoS come with 32mm bases which are noticeably taller than the 25mm bases GSC are supplied with.

Here are a couple, both on 25mm. The Sister is taller than the cultist for sure. I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

So then why are the Skitarii and all the IG stunties too?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

Which would work if the fluff had ever explained that one of the side effects of being a psychic blank is being super tall... Otherwise, it doesn't really make sense for all Sisters of Silence to be that big.

Yeah, I'm passing on the new minis.

Hopefully:
1. the metals become available as Made To Order;
2. the rulebook is good; and
3. the rulebook becomes available separately.

 insaniak wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

Which would work if the fluff had ever explained that one of the side effects of being a psychic blank is being super tall... Otherwise, it doesn't really make sense for all Sisters of Silence to be that big.

End even less sense for some underhive scum to be that big, like Monkey Ballistic seems to agree:

MonkeyBallistic wrote: cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

So like the Escher? Who are SoS tall...

*headdesk*

I'd imagine that most IG come from worlds that aren't covered by the best "stock" unless they are a major location like Cadia.

Even then, bullet stoppers in any military aren't usually pulled from the best stock.

To me, the scale can be waved away by genetic engineering, breeding stock, environmental conditions, etc..

The Scion of a Noble born and raised on Macragge will look much different than a Radchild from Baal Secundus.

 Crimson wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You have to be careful with bases. SoS come with 32mm bases which are noticeably taller than the 25mm bases GSC are supplied with.

Here are a couple, both on 25mm. The Sister is taller than the cultist for sure. I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

So then why are the Skitarii and all the IG stunties too?

Because the Sisters of Silence are freakishly tall

In my version of 40k though, the scale of the minis is fine and SoS are all actually freakishly tall. in 40k, it's not just Space marines that have their genes messed with. There are gene enhanced guardsmen, people grown in vats etc. In the real world, human height varies enormously. I imagine it'd be even more pronounced tens of thousands of years in the future.

I'm not saying that there aren't inconsistencies in the scales of different miniature lines. I'm just saying that I don't think it's that big a deal.

 Crimson wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

Which would work if the fluff had ever explained that one of the side effects of being a psychic blank is being super tall... Otherwise, it doesn't really make sense for all Sisters of Silence to be that big.

End even less sense for some underhive scum to be that big...

Differential gravity?

lower grav planets would have lanky tall people while high gravity planets would have stout people.

 Desubot wrote:
Differential gravity?

lower grav planets would have lanky tall people while high gravity planets would have squat people.

FTFY.

 Crimson wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You have to be careful with bases. SoS come with 32mm bases which are noticeably taller than the 25mm bases GSC are supplied with.

Here are a couple, both on 25mm. The Sister is taller than the cultist for sure. I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

So then why are the Skitarii and all the IG stunties too?

Height is variable?

Honestly, the issue is personal, so arguing about it isn't really compelling. Whoever doesn't like the scale won't bother, who does will bother.

So we're getting new Necromunda, with all new figs, and the takeaway is nattering about scale? I don't get some people. Figs look great, I'm very excited, I'm gonna buy a lot. That is all.

 Fenris-77 wrote:
So we're getting new Necromunda, with all new figs, and the takeaway is nattering about scale? I don't get some people. Figs look great, I'm very excited, I'm gonna buy a lot. That is all.

Well said. A gorgeous mini is a gorgeous mini.

 Fenris-77 wrote:
So we're getting new Necromunda, with all new figs, and the takeaway is nattering about scale?

Yes?

It's a miniatures game. Having those miniatures be in a consistent scale is important to some people, and so when companies ignore or change scale, that's a big deal for those people.

I'm still excited to see what they do with the rules, but I'll likely be just using my old models.

 Fenris-77 wrote:
So we're getting new Necromunda, with all new figs, and the takeaway is nattering about scale?

Some of us have quite a few existing Necro figures, and the new size due to scale creep makes things not match.

Yeah, the people who don't care for a differing scale are not guilty of a crime against humanity; it does seem there's a bit of "how DARE you have wrongfun and not like what others like" going on with that debate.

I really like the Escher models, and not having anything for Necromunda other than some Enforcer teams I'm not really bothered by the old models being a few mm shorter. I understand though why someone wouldn't want to purchase the models (or more correctly, a game starter that includes the rules with those models) just like I wouldn't begrudge someone who doesn't want to mix Deathwatch Kill-Teams with their normal marines because of slight scale differences. It's their hobby, their choice.

If this does come out in late November (Blood Bowl was around Black Friday in the US, right?), it's going to be rough month for the hobby budget.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Fenris-77 wrote:
So we're getting new Necromunda, with all new figs, and the takeaway is nattering about scale?

Some of us have quite a few existing Necro figures, and the new size due to scale creep makes things not match.

Or your old figures represent shorter people and the new ones taller people.

You should see the people I work with, from the woman who's 5'1" to the guy who's 6'7". Heights vary enormously.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Because the Sisters of Silence are freakishly tall

In my version of 40k though, the scale of the minis is fine and SoS are all actually freakishly tall. in 40k, it's not just Space marines that have their genes messed with. There are gene enhanced guardsmen, people grown in vats etc.

Soo... GW's justified in scale inconsistencies because they've been listening to your made up alterations to their setting?

Sisters of Silence have always appeared to be VERY big women. Just look at them compared with Custodes that are much bigger than SM.




Thats why they are bigger than GSCultist and other normal humans. (Greyfax in the other hand is just a pretty tall women with very high heills)

For a comparison between normal humans and custodes:

People like to use their models across different games, it's not unreasonable to expect figures from the same manufacturer, from the same setting, supposedly in the same scale, to actually be consistent.

Quick scribbled maths...
Average UK male is 175 cm tall, 95% of the population fall between 166 cm and 188 cm. Translating to miniatures, and assuming 175 cm corresponds to 30 mm, we have a variation of between 28.4 mm and 32.1 mm. So if a miniature is literally "a head" taller than another, and that other is "typical" scale, then we've either got a literal giant or some serious scale creep

 Crimson wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
You have to be careful with bases. SoS come with 32mm bases which are noticeably taller than the 25mm bases GSC are supplied with.

Here are a couple, both on 25mm. The Sister is taller than the cultist for sure. I just figure that the sisters are statuesque, 6 foot warrior women and the cultists are the offspring of runty, malnourished, underhive scum

So then why are the Skitarii and all the IG stunties too?

Offspring of runty, malnourished Imperial/machine scum.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Fenris-77 wrote:
So we're getting new Necromunda, with all new figs, and the takeaway is nattering about scale?

Some of us have quite a few existing Necro figures, and the new size due to scale creep makes things not match.

I get this, I own GW figs from before Rogue Trader up to the present. I like them to match too (my oldschool Grey Knight Termies are puny ) IMO, the scale here isn't off enough to prevent you playing with them, nor is the difference really any more or less than comparing any figs from the Necromunda era of GW to the present. Perhaps enough to prevent mixing some gangs old to new, but even that will be something I'll wait and see on until I have the figs in my hands. My point was not that they match, but rather that the fact we're getting new Necromunda and new figs is way more exciting that scale issues are unexciting, for me anyway, and I think for a lot of people.

And yes, for the record, I do own old Necromunda figs.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Because the Sisters of Silence are freakishly tall

In my version of 40k though, the scale of the minis is fine and SoS are all actually freakishly tall. in 40k, it's not just Space marines that have their genes messed with. There are gene enhanced guardsmen, people grown in vats etc.

Soo... GW's justified in scale inconsistencies because they've been listening to your made up alterations to their setting?

Why do they have to justify it?

And don't we need to meet a Sister of Silence or Clan Escher member in real life to know what their 'proper' size should be?

How about the old minis are juves, the new minis are full adults

then all of them can get along

 Crimson wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Here's a quick and dirty comparison of some modern human GW models. The AoS Khorne guys and SoS are about a full head taller than Cultists and GSC(didn't have any Skitarii to hand, they're in storage). Didn't realize how tall SoS really were until I did this, honestly.

Yep. The Escher are SoS height, freakishly tall. GSC and Skitarii are way more reasonably sized.

Can you provide a comparison picture with those minis where the new Escher ginormous platform heels are accounted for, I assume you have one since you're making the comparison?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Because the Sisters of Silence are freakishly tall

In my version of 40k though, the scale of the minis is fine and SoS are all actually freakishly tall. in 40k, it's not just Space marines that have their genes messed with. There are gene enhanced guardsmen, people grown in vats etc.

Soo... GW's justified in scale inconsistencies because they've been listening to your made up alterations to their setting?

I'm not saying that at all. That's just how I rationalis the scale inconsistencies to myself. Having said that, gene engineered soldiers and vat grown people are in the background of 40k ... not my invention.

The problem with the scale inconsistencies argument though is that it would be equally unrealistic if all minis were the same height. It's unrealistic that all Sisters of Silence are taller than all Cadian guardsmen, but it's just as implausible that all Cadian guardsmen are the same height and build as each other. That's an issue that's mainly due to them being posable multipart kits. All bits have to be consistent to be compatible, so all your guardsmen come out looking the same. If GW's miniatures were all monopose, then they could make a box of guardsmen which represented a more realistic range of heights, builds and genders. People are too wedded to the idea of posable miniatures though.

At the end of the day, I'm just saying that small scale inconsistencies don't matter to me. If they matter to you, then nothing I say will change that.

That the models are of different scale than ancient metal figures is unfortunate, but understandable; that they're of different scale than vast majority of GW's current plastic humans, some of which are quite recent, is way more serious matter.


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 Mymearan wrote:

Can you provide a comparison picture with those minis where the new Escher ginormous platform heels are accounted for, I assume you have one since you're making the comparison?

No, I just made some measurements and calculations.

 Crimson wrote:
That the models are of different scale than ancient metal figures is unfortunate, but understandable; that they're of different scale than vast majority of GW's current plastic humans, some of which are quite recent, is way more serious matter.

A more serious matter to you and a totally trivial matter to me. I'm going to be buying these new miniatures and you can choose if you're going to buy them, because I think this argument has reached the point where everything that can be said on the matter has been said and people will just have to agree to differ.

Some care about scale, others dont.

I care about scale because I like there to be consistency, not so much with height as of course not every single being is the same size. However when I am putting a force together, I like there to be consistency in that everyone fits in and looks 'believable,' largely the reason why I just can't use regular sm next to regular humans now, after seeing primaris, regular sm no longer look 'believable.' So would I be disappointed if all of these gangers looked unrealistic when stood next to regular cultists or guardsmen? Of course I would.

Saying that, we can't say for certain until we see a ganger stood next to an actual cultist or guardsman, or we even see gangers that are not vat grown jocks or grim dark high heels.

A gorgeous model is a gorgeous model, of course, scale has nothing to do with how good the model looks, but you wouldn't say and ork could be used as a goblin.

Edit: Im getting Goliath as they are perfect for Brutes in a Marauder Squad, as they look like well....brutes compared to the standard fella.