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You might think that, but I disagree:

http://www.agisn.de/html/imperial_assault.html

This will sell about fifty bajillion copies.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
You might think that, but I disagree:

http://www.agisn.de/html/imperial_assault.html

Those are painted really well.

Although, to me, they still look soft or cheap. The level of detail is just not there in the material used.

I'm interested, but if it is in the same scale as IA they seriously need to up their game. I stopped buying the sets because scale and quality are all over the place.

~Eric

 Manchu wrote:
I really wonder what the core set will entail. I think storm troopers are a given. But are we talking R1 tie-in or Hoth or Endor? Or will this be ANH-style trooper v trooper?

I would definitely expect it to be either Hoth or Endor, purely for the recognition factor. Which one would probably depend on the scale of the game. At 28mm, probably Endor, because an AT-ST would be the biggest they could likely fit in the starter. At a smaller scale, though, they could go wild with Hoth and add in AT-ATs and speeders and stuff.

I want a full-on epic Star Wars game, where it's all about the armies. I don't want Star Wars 40K, where every game is another battle between Vader and Luke & Friends.

Oh I'm sure they'll do an AT-AT in 28mm.

How else can they properly package cards to make Stormtroopers not suck?

If they made the "soldier sized' minis the same size as Rebellion, that would be a good height when making the other vehicles to scale.

There will also be a Rebellion Expansion shown at GenCon I believe.

They need to up to the detail though at all of their scales.

I personally just want a 28mm hard plastic stormtrooper set, anything else would just be icing on an already fantastic cake.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh I'm sure they'll do an AT-AT in 28mm.

How else can they properly package cards to make Stormtroopers not suck?

Oh, I would fully expect an AT-AT to be made, but not in the starter box if 28mm.

I was being snarky. Referring to the need to buy the Imperial Raider if you don't want Vader's TIE (an iconic ship) not play like a sack of Weasels in X-Wing.

I can't even imagine them selling a 28mm scale AT-AT. That would be in excess of 40k super-heavies in size. What are we guessing... $200?

 Commander Cain wrote:
I personally just want a 28mm hard plastic stormtrooper set

Prepare for disappointment.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I can't even imagine them selling a 28mm scale AT-AT. That would be in excess of 40k super-heavies in size. What are we guessing... $200?

They did release an AT-AT for the Wizards of the Coast Star Wars collectible miniature game but it was too big to be of any real use in a game.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Empire will fight their ground war with various types of Storm Troopers and walkers of all shapes and sizes.

And the Rebels will fight their ground war with... uhh... with... umm... Hmm... what do the rebels have again? Snowspeeders?


And herein we see the problems that have faced all SW ground based RTS games: What the hell do you give the rebels? You have to make crap up.

Thats because rebels suck. As much as people love to hate the prequels, I much prefer the Clone Wars as a conflict for videogames and boardgames than the Rebels vs Empire war.
Clones are cool. Droids are cool. The Empire is cool. The rebels? Ehh... no thanks.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And herein we see the problems that have faced all SW ground based RTS games: What the hell do you give the rebels? You have to make crap up.

Not really. The equipment "exists", and has within the setting for some time. West End Games did an excellent job of filling out the various details of the setting when they had the RPG license.

The question is whether the developers pay attention to what WEG did oh so long ago.

I wonder to what degree FFG's license even cover prequel stuff. I see some references to the PT. And I guess there is an Arc 170 for X-Wing these days - but maybe that can be explained with reference to Rebels? The best (only good thing?) about the PT is the military aspect.

Well I believe that FFG have Anniversary copies of the WEG Star Wars books at GenCon right now.

 Commander Cain wrote:
I personally just want a 28mm hard plastic stormtrooper set, anything else would just be icing on an already fantastic cake.

Man...totally agree... just think about a set is similar quality to GW tactical marines, what a dream.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:

 Commander Cain wrote:
I personally just want a 28mm hard plastic stormtrooper set, anything else would just be icing on an already fantastic cake.

Man...totally agree... just think about a set is similar quality to GW tactical marines, what a dream.

This, unfortunately, is not it.

Aeneades wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I can't even imagine them selling a 28mm scale AT-AT. That would be in excess of 40k super-heavies in size. What are we guessing... $200?

They did release an AT-AT for the Wizards of the Coast Star Wars collectible miniature game but it was too big to be of any real use in a game.

Heh... I have 5 of them in the cabinet, for that Hoth game that is totally going to happen any year now...

 Manchu wrote:
I wonder to what degree FFG's license even cover prequel stuff. I see some references to the PT. And I guess there is an Arc 170 for X-Wing these days - but maybe that can be explained with reference to Rebels? The best (only good thing?) about the PT is the military aspect.

While I think there is a lot to like about the prequels, the conflicts of the Clone Wars are easily the best part and clearly offer more canonical opportunities for balanced conflict on the table top than the essentially asymmetrical warfare that takes place during the GCW. However my gut feeling is that Disney has no interest in licensing anything to do with the prequels, and FFG wanting to do it or not wanting to do it is irrelevant. :(

Assuming that is correct, I can see Disney's point. Rehabilitating the reputation of the PT is going to cost a lot of money and be a delicate, sophisticated project. Allowing anyone else to work with that IP at this stage would be tricky and potentially undermine their efforts. Well, let's see what the Young Han movie does on that score. It is pretty clearly a bridge building exercise between PT and OT (like Rebels). If that bears fruit, maybe we will eventually see some PT-era gaming. As much as I hate the PT, I love clone troopers and the droids are reasonably cool.

Would there even be much of a market for Separatists? Even if the popularity of the Empire dwarfs the Rebels, at least there's still something of a base for 'em. I don't think I've ever really seen somebody come out and say "Wow the Droids were so cool!" Doesn't help Revenge of the Sith/CGI Clone Wars portrayed 'em as whacky and useless.

I agree that Clone Wars era would be the best in terms of setting for this kind of thing, but imagine the market for officially licensed Stormtrooper miniatures alone. No way were they going to pass that up.

People want someone for storm troopers to fight, so they will buy rebels.

People want someone for clone troopers to fight, so they will buy droids.

All in all, the droids are cooler than the rebels.

It seems like FFG games is really focused on Ep. 4+. So I imagine we will see Rebels and Empire, then Resistance and First Order. Somewhere in the middle of those they will throw in Scum.

Overall I am excited but also kind of cringing at the thought of this.

Well, assuming the leaked info is really leaked info, we know that Legion will be GCW-era.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Would there even be much of a market for Separatists? Even if the popularity of the Empire dwarfs the Rebels, at least there's still something of a base for 'em. I don't think I've ever really seen somebody come out and say "Wow the Droids were so cool!" Doesn't help Revenge of the Sith/CGI Clone Wars portrayed 'em as whacky and useless.

I agree that Clone Wars era would be the best in terms of setting for this kind of thing, but imagine the market for officially licensed Stormtrooper miniatures alone. No way were they going to pass that up.

Yes and no. There were a huge number of forces fighting under the banner of the CIS but most of the organics lacked a recognisable and memorable style, barring the Geonosians and the Nimbus Commandos. Luckily, the droids that all of those forces had access to were quite decent (barring the B1s) and I think making the Super Battle Droids the 'basic' troopers in a game where a side might have 30 models or so would work pretty well.

I'm with most of you guys: love the idea, but who wants to play the Rebels in the classic trilogy? All they do is run away...for good reason. Clone Wars would be a great setting for a miniature skirmish game, but FFG doesn't seem to give the Prequels any love. Knights of the Old Republic...~sigh~

 Arbitrator wrote:
Would there even be much of a market for Separatists? Even if the popularity of the Empire dwarfs the Rebels, at least there's still something of a base for 'em. I don't think I've ever really seen somebody come out and say "Wow the Droids were so cool!" Doesn't help Revenge of the Sith/CGI Clone Wars portrayed 'em as whacky and useless.

I like droids.I collected a fairly large lot of the WotC minis, and am always happy for more variants to add to the mix.

 insaniak wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Would there even be much of a market for Separatists? Even if the popularity of the Empire dwarfs the Rebels, at least there's still something of a base for 'em. I don't think I've ever really seen somebody come out and say "Wow the Droids were so cool!" Doesn't help Revenge of the Sith/CGI Clone Wars portrayed 'em as whacky and useless.

I like droids.I collected a fairly large lot of the WotC minis, and am always happy for more variants to add to the mix.

Me too! Needed buckets of them for my RPG campaign. Even had a Tri-Droid action figure serving as the larger Octuptarra droid since it was about the right size (unlike the WotC Octuptarra droid model which was way too small and actually the right size for a regular Tri Droid). But sadly I think we will need to keep hold of those WotC minis for a few more years yet.