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Oh, yeah, right. Suppose I misread and misimagined in my excitement.

Regardless, still a surprise little "feth you" from a model if someone gets too close. Let's you hammer down the whole control notion of aberrants a bit if you opt to go that route.

How would this interact with the leaked GSC stratagem to resurrect an abominant when it dies? Would it still be able to, since that one says it removes the Abominant from play?

I’m assuming the Abominant gets access to it since the stratagem uses the bolded Aberrant keyword, which the Abominant has.

Those leaks were confirmed fake by the leaker iirc

 Badablack wrote:
How would this interact with the leaked GSC stratagem to resurrect an abominant when it dies? Would it still be able to, since that one says it removes the Abominant from play?

I’m assuming the Abominant gets access to it since the stratagem uses the bolded Aberrant keyword, which the Abominant has.

if that strat is real then yes

Well, with Field Commanders being a thing it's basically even more of a love relationship I have with this Formation.

Making the Abominant always giving +1 to Charge while also retaining another Warlord is all the sweeter.

I wonder if they'll remember to prevent us from using the IG formations

Updated the original post with the new information. Stratagem, Relic, and Warlord trait have been noted and I made a new section covering Specialist Detachments.

I'm very curious to see what will be in the Deliverance Broodsurge one. The 7th edition version allowed embarked models to disembark after the vehicle moved at cruising speed (basically advanced) and charge but had to take a dangerous terrain check for doing so (basically roll a D6 for each model and each roll of 1 killed a model). It also upgraded the Rugged Construction rule, though at the time it only affected the ability to shoot after taking a hit rather than mitigate damage directly.

I bet the new version will probably include the new Neophyte bikes, as a GSC counterpart to the Ork Speed WAAAGH!!! which has buggies and warbikers. If such is the case that would explain why it has not been previewed.

 Badablack wrote:
How would this interact with the leaked GSC stratagem to resurrect an abominant when it dies? Would it still be able to, since that one says it removes the Abominant from play?

I’m assuming the Abominant gets access to it since the stratagem uses the bolded Aberrant keyword, which the Abominant has.

I think the "leak" was just taking the "Anointed One Rises" from Tooth and Claw and making it generic (same with some of the others - Final Detonation is from the first mission involving Metamorphs blowing up chunks of the city to distract the Space Wolves). The exact wording is "Use this Stratagem if Bregg the Anointed is slain. At the end of this phase, Bregg the Anointed is set up again, as close as possible to his previous position and more than 1'' from any enemy models with D3 wounds remaining". Hypothetically, he could go down, swing, and then stand back up again at the end of the phase.

Still, Devotion Till Death will never interact with The Anointed One Rises in its present form because the mission the stratagem is from is effectively a kill team mission played using full game rules. Neither side has a battleforged army, so no specialist detachment is possible.

C4790M wrote:
I wonder if they'll remember to prevent us from using the IG formations

Technically they don't have to. We can use non-regimental things as is from Astra Militarum and any specialist detachments that require a particular regiment keyword can't work on Brood Brothers. No idea what the codex is going to change mind you.

The new AM Formation that denies OW Coupled with Mass Hypnosis is a recipe for happy Cults.

Hi all, I have some Genestealer Cult models from various box sets lying about and thought about making them into a cohesive force.

Was curious if they are decent as a stand alone army? I know a codex is rumored soon as well as dirt bike and 4 wheeler models. Just wondered how everyone felt about GSC currently.

Also is every variant of Leman Russ available to us or just the battle tank?

Thanks!

Incognito15 wrote:
Hi all, I have some Genestealer Cult models from various box sets lying about and thought about making them into a cohesive force.

Was curious if they are decent as a stand alone army? I know a codex is rumored soon as well as dirt bike and 4 wheeler models. Just wondered how everyone felt about GSC currently.

Also is every variant of Leman Russ available to us or just the battle tank?

Thanks!

Hey and welcome to the cult!

Currently GSC is unfortunately quite weak as a standalone force, but can be very useful as a smaller detachment in a tyranid or astra militarum army. The general advice for people wanting to play singularly GSC competitively is to wait for the codex. If you wanna play for fun rather than in hardcore tournaments and are fine with being higly reliant on lucky Ambush rolls to win, then GSC works :-)

Best units currently are probably: genestealers, aberrants with picks, abominant, patriarch (but the tyranid broodlord that does the same job gets a serious points drop in Chapter Approved) and magus. For troop choices: Neophytes without heavy weapons (or possibly a mortar) are allright, as are big units of acolytes with plenty of rocksaws.

For Leman Russ we can use the four variants that are buildable from the Battle Tank box, so Battle Cannon, Eradicator Nova Cannon, Exterminator Autocannon and Vanquisher Battle Cannon. My clear favourite is the regular Battle Cannon. It is rumoured that Chapter Approved will lower the cost of some of the variants, so maybe they will become more useful in a week.

Welcome to the Cult, brother!

In my experience it is always tough to answer the question of "is army x any good?" online. We don't know what your local meta looks like. At my LGS we play mostly casual or semi-competitive games. So in my non-trounament-lists environment, my GSC is doing quite well, actually. And I play a pure GSC army, without Nid or Guard allies (so far).

The Cult hits like a ton of bricks when our units come in but right now we are a rather "gimmicky" army. Bad rolls on the ambush table can literally cost us the game and with the "no deepstriking before turn 2" we are at a big disadvantage, especially if we don't get first turn.

I have to disagree on big units of Acolytes. Those are only usefull if you want to take down something like a Knight. But against anything else they are often just overkill. I play min squads with two Rocksaws each and they do the job just as well as a big squad of 10 guys.

Neophytes are sadly not that good. They can neither be taken in as big blobs as for example Chaos Cultists can (so you can screen off less with a single unit) and they are as expensive as a Guardman but don't have access to any orders. The way I play them is 10 in a truck with 2x GL and 2x Mining Lasers as well as a big blob of 20 with Shotguns and Flamers dropping in with a Magus and Primus via ambush.

BoLS has a review of the Deliverance Broodsurge. If goliath trucks drop in price I think this can be useful for first turn pressure and objective grabs.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/12/40k-deliverance-broodsurge-special-detachment-deep-dive.html

Yup. But it seems worse than ambushing in our CC units. Keeping more than 9" away makes this only useful for objective grabs, board control and maybe getting shooty units in RFR.

However, nothing is stopping us from taking that detachment, ambushing in the Acolytes (instead of sticking them in the Truck) and then using that sweet +1 to-wound stratagem.

Or even just a big blob of Neophytes with a Patriarch and Magus buffing them. Hitting on 3s with S4, re-rolling 1s for the Cult Icon and +1 to-wound means they now wound MEQs on 3s or vehicles on 4s.

To me, it's less good than the Anointed Ones, but that'll all depend on the Codex.

edit: nmind

 SHUPPET wrote:
holy hell. First to Draw Blood is an incredible stratagem. So is Vial of the Grandsires Blood.

Assuming Might hasn't changed With the stratagem + Might, a unit of Neophytes alone can ambush in with a Primus and do 100 attacks at S6, 3+ to hit, re-rolling 1s... and +1 to wound..... for 120 points. And that's not even counting the shotguns.

For measure, that's putting 38 wounds onto a Knight (no AP tho). It's absolutely shredding everything else, without even risking many points worth of models.


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wow the same thing with Purestrains is 140 attacks S7 +1 to wound

just multi assault everything in range it's all gonna melt

The vials one use effect only targets a single model, not a unit :-(

Mellon wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
holy hell. First to Draw Blood is an incredible stratagem. So is Vial of the Grandsires Blood.

Assuming Might hasn't changed With the stratagem + Might, a unit of Neophytes alone can ambush in with a Primus and do 100 attacks at S6, 3+ to hit, re-rolling 1s... and +1 to wound..... for 120 points. And that's not even counting the shotguns.

For measure, that's putting 38 wounds onto a Knight (no AP tho). It's absolutely shredding everything else, without even risking many points worth of models.


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wow the same thing with Purestrains is 140 attacks S7 +1 to wound

just multi assault everything in range it's all gonna melt

The vials one use effect only targets a single model, not a unit :-(

ack my eyes

not very good then

+1 to wound strat is still the wave for Neophytes tho

Will the +1 to Wound rolls with Rending Claws turn 5's into 6's for -4 AP...Would it also change 6's into hypothetical 7's?

Rending claws do their magic on a 6+, so yep it works. If it said unmodified 6’s it would need just a 6, and if it said just 6 then 7’s wouldn’t work. But saying it needs a 6+ means modifiers work.

I heard rumours that a GSC army with tyranid allies placed second in in heat 3 at the Warhammer World Grand Tournament.

Have anyone got more details on this? Maybe even a list?

I hear the chap who did it is handsome and kind too. Also that it was me and I’ll find you a list.
Went 5-0, most secondaries, most kill points and missed out on 1st by a single paint/sports vote.
List to follow once I’m unpacked and my knees stop hurting.

Sneggy wrote:
I hear the chap who did it is handsome and kind too. Also that it was me and I’ll find you a list.
Went 5-0, most secondaries, most kill points and missed out on 1st by a single paint/sports vote.
List to follow once I’m unpacked and my knees stop hurting.

My hero! <3

Here you go folks, enjoy. Loads of fun to play.

Faced ork horde with the loota shenanigans round one.
Blood angels with 18 aggressors and some guard friends round 2.
Drukhari and Aeldari vehicle spam round 3
Ad Mech priest/dragoon spam round 4
Orks again round 5.

Tabled everybody except the last ork player who had an empty trukk run away for two turns to avoid being tabled.

That’s a solid list. Probably about the same points cost after CA with neurothropes and chimeras balancing each other out.

Sneggy wrote:
I hear the chap who did it is handsome and kind too. Also that it was me and I’ll find you a list.
Went 5-0, most secondaries, most kill points and missed out on 1st by a single paint/sports vote.
List to follow once I’m unpacked and my knees stop hurting.

Grats!

Could you maybe write a bit more detailed report? I'd like to know how that list plays.

Anyone want to transcribe that? Unfortunately can't make it out on mobile.

If not, no worries, I can't wait a day or two to hop on a PC and make sense of it.


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Nevermind, I'm a dumby.

How did the Aberrants do?

Bit busy this morning but I'll try and get you chaps a rundown of my army list, match ups and how it played later on.

As for on the list, the font is horrible. Its meant to be the style of a targetted at middle aged women trashy erotic novel cover.
The list is called "Muscles, Moustaches and mining: An erotic novel/army list"

I did have legible ones to give to my opponents, this was just one of the troll ones I had for laughs.

Sneggy wrote:
Here you go folks, enjoy. Loads of fun to play.

Faced ork horde with the loota shenanigans round one.
Blood angels with 18 aggressors and some guard friends round 2.
Drukhari and Aeldari vehicle spam round 3
Ad Mech priest/dragoon spam round 4
Orks again round 5.

Tabled everybody except the last ork player who had an empty trukk run away for two turns to avoid being tabled.

Wow... this list looks very fragile. Against most people I play against aside from the obvious ambushes I'd expect most of this to be gunned down turn one. Well done and very well played. You must have had very good terrain to work with.

At Warhammer World? I wish. Most boards had a couple of ruins, couple of forests and a generator or two. All with gaps/windows so they didn’t block line of sight. I had two line of sight blocking pieces (total, 1 in round 2 and 1 in round 3) all tournament. This list plays super defensive and punished you turns 2 and 3. Most gun lines get to shoot just once. Certainly at anything I don’t want getting shot.

sounds like a blast, and very thematic. Any photos from the day? Cool list too. Do the Aberrants go in the Chimera's?