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2017/10/02 16:59:39
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
skyth wrote: Country music concert would appeal to a more conservative bent which increases the chance of people having guns there. If they did, it did them jack and squat...
Just spit balling here.
I highly doubt any concert would allow attendees to carry firearms, regardless of genre or any perceived political leanings.
I was in TN for a music festival and I saw undercover police and what one guy said being retired carry side-arms.
However, not sure what they could've done as the LV shooter was on the 32nd floor shooting THREE football fields away... (edit, seeing Ouze's post, make that FOUR football fields)
No way they could return fire from the event. Not with pistols anyways. It's possible he was hiding his muzzle flash too. I don't see any flashes in any of the videos (though they wern't good quality). Something as simple as wrapping wet towel around the muzzle will take away most of the muzzle flash. They only found him because of a fire alarm from what is being reported.
Something that will probably become standard for events like this is a tech invented by the army. It uses the sound of the gunshot to locate an enemy sniper quickly. I don't know how many lives could have been saved if they had it but just knowing what direction the shooting was coming from would have been very useful in helping people escape and where to hide.
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Democrats are voicing opposition to a Republican measure that would ease restrictions on the purchase of gun silencers.
The measure from Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) is in a broad sportsmen’s bill, the Sportsmen's Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act, aimed at broadening public access to federal lands for hunting and fishing.
But the bill also contains some gun provisions, including Duncan’s, which would make it easier to buy silencers for firearms, a process which currently requires registration and a background check under the National Firearms Act.
Under Duncan's measure, silencers, also known as suppressors, would be removed from the National Firearms Act. Purchasers would need to only undergo a less extensive, instant background check.
At a House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Federal Lands hearing on the bill Tuesday, Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-Calif.) said silencers muffle the distinctive sounds of a gun and make it more difficult to identify where shots are coming from.
“It is for this reason that silencers are so heavily regulated and why so dangerous if they fall into the wrong hands,” he said. “We should not make it easier for anyone to obtain these weapons of war.”
Gomez expressed dismay that the measure was tied to a hunting and fishing bill.
“It is deeply concerning that our committee is taking up valuable time and resources on a bill loaded with provisions that will weaken gun safety laws instead of a clean bill that could potentially earn all of our support,” he said.
But Republicans defended the measure, saying silencers were used primarily by sportsmen to prevent hearing loss.
Duncan’s measure is dubbed the Hearing Protection Act and has the backing of the National Rifle Association, the country’s most powerful gun rights group.
"Right now we are in a situation where it seems … that sportsmen have to choose between damaging their hearing and being able to hunt, shoot, target practice,” said Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.).
Democrats invited David Chipman, senior policy adviser of Americans for Responsible Solutions, a pro-gun control group to testify. Chipman, a 25-year veteran of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said making silencers easier to obtain would endanger police officers and the public.
Rep. Donald McEachin (D-Va.) asked Chipman if the legislation would make active shooter situations more dangerous.
“Anytime an active shooter situation takes longer to recognize as an actual shooting causes more injury and death,” he said.
Referencing last year’s mass shootings at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Fla., and the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C., McEachin asked Chipman if the bill would lead to more deadly weapons ending up in the hands of the kinds of people who commit these atrocities.
“This bill in particular would make silencers more readily available to criminals because for the first time in 80 years private parties could sell these guns without background checks on the internet and in gun shows and this has never been the case before,” Chipman said.
“One of the reason we have not seen silencers out there in tons of crimes is the fact that we have a regulatory structure that makes it very difficult to get these.”
Chipman said there would have been more casualties at the congressional baseball practice in Alexandria, Va., where House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) was shot and wounded if the gunman had used a silencer.
“Since silencers today are legal, there can be no possible benefit other than a negative undercutting of public safety by making them unregulated,” Chipman said.
Democrats also raised concerns that other gun provisions in the sportsmen’s bill could make it easier to import more firearms into the U.S.
Cheney asked Stephen Halbrook, who has sued on behalf of the NRA, whether additional access to suppressors will result in an increase in gun violence.
“It’s easy to make a suppressor. If you want to make one now you can do it and a person who would not be dissuaded from committing a murder by capital punishment potentially is not going to worry about a National Firearms Act conviction for non-registration of a suppressor,” Halbrook said.
“The fact is we’ve heard a parade of horribles of issues that would apply to criminals and we have criminal misuse of weapons now,” he continued. “This bill would simply make it easier for law abiding people to protect their hearing.”
After the hearing, Democrats held an event to draw more attention to the measure.
Rep. Raúl Grivalja (D-Ariz.) called the gun provisions “poison pills” and said it was “cowardly” and “arrogant” to attach them to “otherwise good legislation.”
“What happened today was a kowtowing to the NRA, to gun manufacturers, their agenda, and now to what they hope is a new industry that expands: silencer manufacturers,” Grivalja told reporters.
Democrats said they did not expect to be able to block the silencer provision in the House.
“Hopefully the Senate will provide a little adult supervision on these issues,” said Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.).
This story was last updated at 5:44 p.m.
2017/10/02 17:09:25
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Really a horrific event, not sure what would possess someone to do sometbing like this, especially with that kind of hardware, and I expect this will...drive changes, particularly due to the big dollar/high profile location.
From the audio, it sure sounded like a legit full auto weapon, none of the irregular cadence of a bump fire stock or binary trigger. It will be interesting to see what ultimately turns up in that regard.
skyth wrote: Country music concert would appeal to a more conservative bent which increases the chance of people having guns there. If they did, it did them jack and squat...
Just spit balling here.
I highly doubt any concert would allow attendees to carry firearms, regardless of genre or any perceived political leanings.
I was in TN for a music festival and I saw undercover police and what one guy said being retired carry side-arms.
However, not sure what they could've done as the LV shooter was on the 32nd floor shooting THREE football fields away... (edit, seeing Ouze's post, make that FOUR football fields)
No way they could return fire from the event. Not with pistols anyways. It's possible he was hiding his muzzle flash too. I don't see any flashes in any of the videos (though they wern't good quality). Something as simple as wrapping wet towel around the muzzle will take away most of the muzzle flash. They only found him because of a fire alarm from what is being reported.
Something that will probably become standard for events like this is a tech invented by the army. It uses the sound of the gunshot to locate an enemy sniper quickly. I don't know how many lives could have been saved if they had it but just knowing what direction the shooting was coming from would have been very useful in helping people escape and where to hide.
must be why congress is passing laws to allow every one to have silencers. The hearing of the shooter is more important than the lives lost.
A suppressor being present or not wasnt going to save or take any additional lives. Firing supersonic rifle ammunition from an elevated window position on full auto isnt something a suppressor is going to have much of an impact on, the rounds going downrange are still breaking the sound barrier and leaving a sonic wake like a jet engine.
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2017/10/02 17:18:38
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Despite what Hollywood tells you, suppressors (not silencers) in the civilian world are mostly used to avoid hearing damage, not annoy neighbours when you're shooting and during hunts.
Rival teams of assassins conducting john-woo style bullet operas are an atypical usage of suppressors.
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2017/10/02 17:21:22
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
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Nostromodamus wrote: Despite what Hollywood tells you, suppressors (not silencers) in the civilian world are mostly used to avoid hearing damage, not annoy neighbours when you're shooting and during hunts.
Rival teams of assassins conducting john-woo style bullet operas are an atypical usage of suppressors.
Yeah. And they're not good at that either.
A suppressor doesn't make a gunshot stop sounding like a gunshot. It just makes it no longer loud enough to damage your hearing. It's still quite loud and can be heard from a good distance away.
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Xenomancers wrote: That seems unlikely. pretty hard to shoot straight with that kind of mechanism - were talking about 300-400 yard shooting here.
FWIW on google maps it is exactly 400 yards / 377 meters. While bumpfire is indeed inaccurate I'm not sure what level of accuracy is required to hit an enormous mass of people.
The target if you can call it that was a blob of people probably at least 200 yards wide anyway. "In the general direction" was enough.
Well - from a standard battle rifle firing in full auto is already "in the general direction" in terms of accuracy. A bumbfire mechanism would be worse than that. Not saying it couldn't have worked but for someone that planned this as much as the shooter did - I'd think he would use something more reliable.
Some things were done intelligently some others not so much so it wouldn't surprise me if he used a bumpfire stock instead of a modified trigger or spending the time and money to go through the NFA registry. He had 10 guns and thousands of rounds in his hotel room so he knew he's be firing off a considerable number of rounds in a confined space but didn't bother covering up the smoke alarms in the hotel room (something all my friends figured out to do every time they got high in college). For all the time and effort he invested in planning and carrying out the attack he had no escape plan even though escape would have been possible, instead he chose to kill himself before the police even breached his room. Obviously this guy had his wires crossed up enough to want to commit mass murder against strangers and follow it up by taking his own life but he's clearly not some wild deranged lunatic and the fact that he was able to plan some aspects of his attack doesn't mean that he was using logic and reasoning in the normal sense. It doesn't take much to create somebody that's off by just enough to go down a road that leads to some dark and terrible thoughts/actions and whatever caused that person's view of the world to get skewed into a dangerous perspective is often times difficult or impossible to see from the outside looking in. There's really nothing that can be done to prevent some people from having an abnormal mental state that allows them to commit or try to commit mass murder, we can only take solace in the fact that such people are extremely rare and the amount of death and destruction they can cause isn't an existential threat to civil society.
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2017/10/02 17:24:15
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Vaktathi wrote: Really a horrific event, not sure what would possess someone to do sometbing like this, especially with that kind of hardware, and I expect this will...drive changes, particularly due to the big dollar/high profile location.
From the audio, it sure sounded like a legit full auto weapon, none of the irregular cadence of a bump fire stock or binary trigger. It will be interesting to see what ultimately turns up in that regard.
skyth wrote: Country music concert would appeal to a more conservative bent which increases the chance of people having guns there. If they did, it did them jack and squat...
Just spit balling here.
I highly doubt any concert would allow attendees to carry firearms, regardless of genre or any perceived political leanings.
I was in TN for a music festival and I saw undercover police and what one guy said being retired carry side-arms.
However, not sure what they could've done as the LV shooter was on the 32nd floor shooting THREE football fields away... (edit, seeing Ouze's post, make that FOUR football fields)
No way they could return fire from the event. Not with pistols anyways. It's possible he was hiding his muzzle flash too. I don't see any flashes in any of the videos (though they wern't good quality). Something as simple as wrapping wet towel around the muzzle will take away most of the muzzle flash. They only found him because of a fire alarm from what is being reported.
Something that will probably become standard for events like this is a tech invented by the army. It uses the sound of the gunshot to locate an enemy sniper quickly. I don't know how many lives could have been saved if they had it but just knowing what direction the shooting was coming from would have been very useful in helping people escape and where to hide.
must be why congress is passing laws to allow every one to have silencers. The hearing of the shooter is more important than the lives lost.
A suppressor being present or not wasnt going to save or take any additional lives. Firing supersonic rifle ammunition from an elevated window position on full auto isnt something a suppressor is going to have much of an impact on, the rounds going downrange are still breaking the sound barrier and leaving a sonic wake like a jet engine.
I agree, it wouldn't have changed anything in this situation, but we have the upcoming school shootings to consider.
2017/10/02 17:27:46
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Because of course they have. That's what they're reduced to. Lying.
Did you wake up and stub your toe? If it makes the news, IS will claim responsibility.
Run out of bog paper? If it makes the news, IS will claim responsibility.
Local lunatic done something horrific? IS will claim responsibility.
I get what you are saying, and agree to some extent, but until a clear motive is established, IS involvement carries the same weight as affiliation with any other extremist group or any other kind of motivating factor such as a breakdown, homicidal wish fulfillment, twisted revenge, etc..
Police and other authorities will explore all options with an open mind. Its best to not speculate authoritatively one way or the other until the motive is known.
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2017/10/02 17:31:59
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Manchu wrote: Smart tactic by ISIS to capitalize on the huge thirst for info about Paddock. They have no credibility to risk by lying. As/when their claim is disproven, some people will remain misinformed and others will nonetheless retain the impression that ISIS is radicalizing random white folks in America.
As far as I've seen, the only place with the initial ISIS claim has been Russian media and there has been, as Reds8n posted, a distinct attempt by a certain political element here in the US to push the narrative that the shooter was an Antifa/Democrat/US Communist Party member and the woman with him was a Muslim of Filipino descent.
It might have been picked up elsewhere but until I see a timestamped news story from a source that isn't Russian state media...I'll file it under propaganda driven nonsense hand in hand with Alt-Right narrative drives.
It's terrible what happened but it's important to remember that this is going to be a highly politicized event one way or another. It doesn't help though that this comes at the same time as there's legislation on the docket about suppressors/silencers.
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2017/10/02 17:34:27
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Vaktathi wrote: Really a horrific event, not sure what would possess someone to do sometbing like this, especially with that kind of hardware, and I expect this will...drive changes, particularly due to the big dollar/high profile location.
From the audio, it sure sounded like a legit full auto weapon, none of the irregular cadence of a bump fire stock or binary trigger. It will be interesting to see what ultimately turns up in that regard.
skyth wrote: Country music concert would appeal to a more conservative bent which increases the chance of people having guns there. If they did, it did them jack and squat...
Just spit balling here.
I highly doubt any concert would allow attendees to carry firearms, regardless of genre or any perceived political leanings.
I was in TN for a music festival and I saw undercover police and what one guy said being retired carry side-arms.
However, not sure what they could've done as the LV shooter was on the 32nd floor shooting THREE football fields away... (edit, seeing Ouze's post, make that FOUR football fields)
No way they could return fire from the event. Not with pistols anyways. It's possible he was hiding his muzzle flash too. I don't see any flashes in any of the videos (though they wern't good quality). Something as simple as wrapping wet towel around the muzzle will take away most of the muzzle flash. They only found him because of a fire alarm from what is being reported.
Something that will probably become standard for events like this is a tech invented by the army. It uses the sound of the gunshot to locate an enemy sniper quickly. I don't know how many lives could have been saved if they had it but just knowing what direction the shooting was coming from would have been very useful in helping people escape and where to hide.
must be why congress is passing laws to allow every one to have silencers. The hearing of the shooter is more important than the lives lost.
A suppressor being present or not wasnt going to save or take any additional lives. Firing supersonic rifle ammunition from an elevated window position on full auto isnt something a suppressor is going to have much of an impact on, the rounds going downrange are still breaking the sound barrier and leaving a sonic wake like a jet engine.
I agree, it wouldn't have changed anything in this situation, but we have the upcoming school shootings to consider.
Suppressors would have no discernable effect on any kind of mass shooting. They don't make gunshots quiet, they merely make them quieter. Nobody is going to hear gunshots from a suppressed weapon and not recognize that they are gunshots. Suppressors make it easier to protect your hearing while shooting because they make hearing protection more effective and minimize the damage of gunshots heard without hearing protection. I hear dozens of gunshots every weekend because plenty of people around my neighborhood have enough property to shoot on and making suppressors easier to get would make that noise a lot more bearable and the weekends more pleasant. Suppressors can be had legally without much hassle at all, the biggest issue is the ATF being extremely slow with sending approvals but anyone with $200 and willing to wait 6-8 months can have a suppressor, millions of NFA items are bought by people every year: short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, suppressors and fully automatic weapons. It's not even difficult to make your own suppressors we just decided to make it a federal offense for some reason. Your fear mongering of this issue is being driven by ignorance of the subject matter.
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2017/10/02 17:43:05
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Wow! I just found out that a high school friend was at the event.
Im safe, wasn't shot but a lady next to me was, made it out of the restaurant and fled with 100 others as people were being shot...a nightmare.
Spent the night on the sidewalk with others that fled and the national guard kept us in a safe area as they trapped the shooter on the 32nd floor and breached that room. They moved us to the UNLV arena for shelter, foods, medics.
520 injured, 58 killed...crazy as gak. Just got back to the hotel, its open now except for the 32nd floor. I just went and donated blood so now i need to get food take a nap.
The whole time we were all out in the cold dark waiting, las vegas citizens were dropping us water, food, and blankets, what a rally.
2017/10/02 17:47:47
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
This whole suppressor tangent is total garbage. All suppressors do is reduce the volume of the rounds from "instant, permanent hearing loss" to "loud".
But why tell you when we can just show you:
There are ways to reduce the volume a little more, like subsonic rounds, but it's still nothing like depicted in the movies, where it's a little pfft, pfft. You can get a 22LR to be that quiet and that's about it.
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2017/10/02 17:58:22
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Because of course they have. That's what they're reduced to. Lying.
Did you wake up and stub your toe? If it makes the news, IS will claim responsibility.
Run out of bog paper? If it makes the news, IS will claim responsibility.
Local lunatic done something horrific? IS will claim responsibility.
I get what you are saying, and agree to some extent, but until a clear motive is established, IS involvement carries the same weight as affiliation with any other extremist group or any other kind of motivating factor such as a breakdown, homicidal wish fulfillment, twisted revenge, etc..
Police and other authorities will explore all options with an open mind. Its best to not speculate authoritatively one way or the other until the motive is known.
US authorities have already discounted it, according to the BBC.
Seriously, this is how IS operate. It's pretty much the same as the local wannabe hardman claiming they're secretly involved in all sorts of crime, despite just being a saddo propping up the bar. They do it to maintain that rather than a rather select bunch of lunatics, they're genuinely a globe spanning operation.
But they're not. At all. And haven't been for a long time, as such things can be measured.
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Wait they had National Guard guys there at the time of the shooting? Why?
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2017/10/02 18:00:28
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Shrug, not any more useless than "thoughts and prayers".
Lots of people believe that thoughts and prayers legitimately do help, though. Like Jeebus runs his operation based on phone in votes.
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2017/10/02 18:06:19
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Stevefamine wrote: The only piece of good news to come of this is that this massacre had nothing to do with any Muslim affiliated individual with everything going on.
A sad event.
I assume like a lot of these lone wolf killers they'll discover a manifesto of sorts? Has there been any info on his political or deranged insanity message?
How is that good news? I'd much rather this be a known terrorist affiliate than just - random 64 year old dude decided to go on a rampage. Something can be done about one of those things - the other? The other is just - these things happen - lets move on.
Isn't that pretty mucht he nature of all of these types of events? We all just move-on and think "There was nothing we could do. These things happen". The question always left in my mind.... is there really nothing we can do? Do thee things really "just happen?"
I really don't know.
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2017/10/02 18:17:05
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Vaktathi wrote: Really a horrific event, not sure what would possess someone to do sometbing like this, especially with that kind of hardware, and I expect this will...drive changes, particularly due to the big dollar/high profile location.
From the audio, it sure sounded like a legit full auto weapon, none of the irregular cadence of a bump fire stock or binary trigger. It will be interesting to see what ultimately turns up in that regard.
If you load the clip into Audacity, you'll see that the ROF ramps up and down. I'm going with Gat Crank or bumpfire stock.
Also (not a reply to you, but rather to the thread in general): a suppressor would not have changed the acoustic signature of that weapon meaningfully. The sound you're hearing in most of the videos is ballistic crack of the rounds, not the muzzle blast of the weapon.
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Isn't that pretty mucht he nature of all of these types of events? We all just move-on and think "There was nothing we could do. These things happen". The question always left in my mind.... is there really nothing we can do? Do thee things really "just happen?"
I really don't know.
You actually can do something about all the mass shootings in the US: crack down on guns and gun ownership. The people who say that this kind of thing is an unavoidable tragedy and rage at others "politicising a tragedy" are themselves politicising it.
2017/10/02 18:22:39
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
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2017/10/02 18:25:21
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Shrug, not any more useless than "thoughts and prayers".
Should I change my profile pic to some sort of "Las Vegas" tribute?
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2017/10/02 18:29:56
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Frazzled wrote: Wait they had National Guard guys there at the time of the shooting? Why?
Is this real life Jack Reacher?
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2017/10/02 18:31:59
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Isn't that pretty mucht he nature of all of these types of events? We all just move-on and think "There was nothing we could do. These things happen". The question always left in my mind.... is there really nothing we can do? Do thee things really "just happen?"
I really don't know.
You actually can do something about all the mass shootings in the US: crack down on guns and gun ownership.
How would you do this under a legal framework where the right to possess firearms and weapons is a fundamental civil right, one which has been affirmed by the supreme court as an individual right at both the federal and state levels? Particularly when there are 9 digits worth of weapons in circulation and essentially no record of who owns what?
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2017/10/02 18:34:38
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Prestor Jon wrote: Suppressors would have no discernable effect on any kind of mass shooting. They don't make gunshots quiet, they merely make them quieter. Nobody is going to hear gunshots from a suppressed weapon and not recognize that they are gunshots. Suppressors make it easier to protect your hearing while shooting because they make hearing protection more effective and minimize the damage of gunshots heard without hearing protection. Suppressors can be had legally without much hassle at all, the biggest issue is the ATF being extremely slow with sending approvals but anyone with $200 and willing to wait 6-8 months can have a suppressor.
Aye, anyone thinking owning a suppressor makes you an automatic assassin/criminal is just being silly or more likely has only seen the stuff in movies where they often make high-powered pistols and even rifles say "pfft" when fired. It doesn't work like that, even my .22LR rifle with suppressor and subsonic ammo still makes enough noise that someone in realistic shooting range should recognize it as a gunshot. And that was suppressor over the counter with the rifle, no questions asked because it's perfectly legal here - the rifle even had the threads straight from the factory. Great thing for sports shooters who shoot a lot and hunters who might need one ear for the radio on a moose team etc.
Besides, someone wanting to go hitman is more likely to use a cheap, common and reliable handgun that he can throw away while keeping as much profit as possible (real hitmen don't get paid as much as Jason Statham anyway). Tricking out a pistol or rifle with all the nice stuff costs thousands of dollars, and there's a lot of parts with numbers stamped on that could eventually be tracked to you. Taking a contract on some El Presidente, maybe, but then he's worth more money too.
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2017/10/02 18:36:41
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Isn't that pretty mucht he nature of all of these types of events? We all just move-on and think "There was nothing we could do. These things happen". The question always left in my mind.... is there really nothing we can do? Do thee things really "just happen?"
I really don't know.
You actually can do something about all the mass shootings in the US: crack down on guns and gun ownership.
How would you do this under a legal framework where the right to possess firearms and weapons is a fundamental civil right, one which has been affirmed by the supreme court as an individual right at both the federal and state levels? Particularly when there are 9 digits worth of weapons in circulation and essentially no record of who owns what?
the second part is easy, enforce the whole amendment, not just 1/2 a sentence. If you're not in the national guard, nor in the military, turn in your guns. Tell those activist judges to read the whole amendment.
2017/10/02 18:39:04
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Vaktathi wrote: Really a horrific event, not sure what would possess someone to do sometbing like this, especially with that kind of hardware, and I expect this will...drive changes, particularly due to the big dollar/high profile location.
From the audio, it sure sounded like a legit full auto weapon, none of the irregular cadence of a bump fire stock or binary trigger. It will be interesting to see what ultimately turns up in that regard.
If you load the clip into Audacity, you'll see that the ROF ramps up and down. I'm going with Gat Crank or bumpfire stock.
Also (not a reply to you, but rather to the thread in general): a suppressor would not have changed the acoustic signature of that weapon meaningfully. The sound you're hearing in most of the videos is ballistic crack of the rounds, not the muzzle blast of the weapon.
It's possible - BUT - I think any sort of cranking up you a hearing is simply the effect hearing the echo over the continuous fire.
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