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Wow, that is surprising. I'm not a big Star Wars fan, but I could see myself picking this up!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yodhrin, it’s a fair criticism.

Galactic Civil War isn’t really noted for army action. Fleet? Yes. But on the ground, the Rebellion was more guerilla. With little standardisation of equipment.

Clone Wars? Much better for a TTWG. Lots of variety in terms of canonical units and vehicles. Both able to fight actual battles.

I disagree on multiple levels, it's not a fair criticism at all.

Firstly, the Rebellion made heavy use of asymmetrical warfare, but they also fielded formations of appreciable size organised along military lines and engaged the Empire in open battle on many more occasions than are seen in the films. Once you account for canon games, books, and comics it's demonstrably true that the Rebellion was much more along the lines of the Vietcong than the rag-tag South American militia operating out of a shed that some people insist on painting them as being.

Secondly, the supposed advantage in "variety" that the Clone Wars enjoys is far less than is asserted, especially after you account for the factor you seem to be claiming as a negative; lack of standardisation. Insofar as that's actually true(see above) it's an advantage in terms of providing unit variety, not a disadvantage - Rebels have their own gear, but can also use retrofitted civilian equipment, Clone Wars surplus from either faction, and materiel liberated from the Empire. And that's assuming you even have to set things up so that every Empire release has an equal and opposite Rebel one, you could quite easily keep banging out varieties of Stormtrooper for the Empire and switch the Rebels to loads of characters and operatives(I'd argue they should have taken that approach from the word go and had the two factions play radically differently).

Thirdly, once you account for the scale of the wargame in question, the idea that the Clone Wars is "better" is even less valid - Legion, contrary to the name, does not depict vast clashes between armies. The size of a typical Legion game is a platoon-/cell-level skirmish, a small company level engagement at best. It's small enough to permit the plausible inclusion of a Scum faction, nevermind the Rebellion - it's not necessary to be a Grand Army or an Empire in order to fight "battles" the size of those depicted in Legion games. Even if the characterisation of the Rebels as being basically a nonentity in ground warfare were accurate, they could still easily muster up the type of forces used in Legion.

I'm glad they're doing Clone Wars, but this nonsense claim that somehow the Galactic Civil War wasn't a proper war and isn't capable of supporting a wargame even as it does so needs to die.

And I'm sure that one day, HBMC will actually back up his repeated assertions to the contrary with some actual evidence.

 Yodhrin wrote:


I'm glad they're doing Clone Wars, but this nonsense claim that somehow the Galactic Civil War wasn't a proper war and isn't capable of supporting a wargame even as it does so needs to die.

Discounting the rest of your argument, because I agree, the GCW is a proper war, and should have plenty of variety beyond "Hoth" and Regular Troopers. I'm gonna have to say, that it being unable to support a wargame isn't a nonsense claim. It clearly hasn't been able to support a wargame well enough on its own. A large number of places in my area have completely dropped Legion as a product from what I have seen, and those that still carry it carry a token amount. Further more, if you look at FFG's other Star Wars games, X-Wing managed to make it a whole Edition with out needing to break out the Clone Wars, where as Legion has already jumped in.

I would imagine it was a jump that was always planned, but likely one brought now in attempt to breath life into the game.

My first experience of 'outside the movies' Lucasfilm approved canon was the excellent source books by West End Games.

My personal take from them, initially, was that Rebel ground forces were more likely to be involved in mounting a fall back defence of bases that had been discovered by the Empire rather than large scale battles.

That said, when the Rebel Alliance sourcebook came out, it did expand those ground forces.

I think those books were also the first place that Clone Wars stalwarts like the Juggernaughts were seen. I believe they were based on Lucasfilm concept sketches for ESB that eventually became AT ATs.


Back on topic, as a Hoth junkie, I will certainly find purchasing a set or two of TaunTaun riders and the new Troopers hard to resist. They may find themselves defending my old Kenner Hoth Micro sets. They should be around the same scale.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I would imagine it was a jump that was always planned, but likely one brought now in attempt to breath life into the game.

They announced they were working on Clone Wars armies more or less immediately after launching the game. I think officially last July.

 LunarSol wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I would imagine it was a jump that was always planned, but likely one brought now in attempt to breath life into the game.

They announced they were working on Clone Wars armies more or less immediately after launching the game. I think officially last July.

Was it? I thought they didnt talk about it until more recently.

 Yodhrin wrote:
And I'm sure that one day, HBMC will actually back up his repeated assertions to the contrary with some actual evidence.

The movies and Rebels stand as their own evidence.

Small partisan groups without any large-scale organisation that, at their height, coalesced into a cogent fleet using the majority of their resources capable of staging a raiding action ("We won't get another chance at this, Admiral.") against the 2nd Death Star.

To put in modern terms, the Rebel Alliance are the Viet Cong whereas the Republic armies are the NVA. One was eventually spent and could play no further role in the conflict (had it lost), the other is a proper military that fights against another proper military. One is the French Resistance. The other is the Allies.

Okay kiddos, news & rumours here, take that discussion to a thread of its own please.

Hmm, not a fan of the Obi-Wan mini but everything else looks great.

Hopefully they'll go back and release new boxes of rebels and stormtroopers with new poses, for variety.

Edit: Also, no sure if this is the place for this, but if anyone is going Celebration Chicago and can secure me one of those exclusive Vader expansions... PM me.

Oh boy. Proper plastic clone troopers and droids? I am sold!

Gonna have a great time painting all the different clone legion patterns and droid colours as well. I have ranted a few times in this thread how FFG needed to hurry up with the clone wars and they seem to have finally delivered a great product.

Looking forward to seeing what the B2 battle droids and specialist clones look like!

Hyped about this whole thing. Gonna drop some serious money on Clones. At least 2 core sets and probably 2 more individual packs of Clones. I want to fresh up to a full army with them pretty much right off the bat.

I do appreciate the different poses for Grievous, with two cores it'll allow me to have both poses for him.

As long as down the line I get ARC Troopers and Saber Tanks, I'll be a happy Republic player.

Aye, its looking good. hope the renders and resin masters are actually matching what they will be selling! Looking forward to seeing where they go with this, so many different options that have already been shown on the screen to be done. Commando droids had better be one of the first expansions.

Edit; needs more GIF.

I wonder if they're out of scale with the GCW stuff so that you couldn't use anything from the former with the latter. That would be hilarious as pure FFG.

Pretty unlikely as it’s all under the Legion system banner. Now, the real question is, is CW-era stuff balanced with GWC-era stuff? We could probably ask the X-Wing folks how this is hsaping up on their front.


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 rybackstun wrote:
I do appreciate the different poses for Grievous, with two cores it'll allow me to have both poses for him.

Y E S

This is how you ensure customers buy TWO core boxes. Core boxes are already the loss-leading sweet spot for value-minded players but FFG has really increaed the value for us by making Grievous multi-pose. It’s so smart.

 Manchu wrote:
Pretty unlikely as it’s all under the Legion system banner. Now, the real question is, is CW-era stuff balanced with GWC-era stuff? We could probably ask the X-Wing folks how this is hsaping up on their front.

The announcement article specifically states you can pit them against the existing factions. As for balance, we've only seen the base cards for the core units, but they seem fine. Clone Troopers are better Stormtroopers being a bit more accurate (4/8 instead of 3/8) on their primary weapon and having a more useful special ability put really pay for it at 13 ppm over the generic's 11.

Droids are the more interesting design, being easily the cheapest unit in ppm at a measly 6 ppm, but their stats SUCK at 2/8 to hit and a 6+ on their armor. On top of that, while they are easier to give orders to, their only special ability is a downside that essentially removes their ability to aim and forces them into shooting suboptimal targets if the opponent takes advantage of it.

Both seem absolutely fine additions.

NINE B1s in a box is a treat, too!

Clone troops , hell im in. Clone snipers in jungle camo were bad ass.

 BrookM wrote:
Okay kiddos, news & rumours here, take that discussion to a thread of its own please.

Sorry. :(

Really nice to see true plastic sprues in sight. The first thought I had was "Awesome! Too bad the Battle Droids will all look like they are melting on those thin legs."

But hard plastic might make them look quite good!

The Clone Wars as an era really didn't catch my interest during the goofy too-dramatic prequel trilogy, but much like the original EU, lots of cool stuff was expanded upon post-movies, especially with the Clone Wars. As much as I love the original trilogy, the Clone Wars has a much better ready-made variety to give the game longevity.

Say what you want, but Clone Wars has TONS of troop variety and small-scale vehicles to mine from.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
The Clone Wars as an era really didn't catch my interest during the goofy too-dramatic prequel trilogy, but much like the original EU, lots of cool stuff was expanded upon post-movies, especially with the Clone Wars. As much as I love the original trilogy, the Clone Wars has a much better ready-made variety to give the game longevity.

Say what you want, but Clone Wars has TONS of troop variety and small-scale vehicles to mine from.

This was essentially by design. I remember when AotC came out Lucas said in an interview somewhere that the war itself wouldn't really be in the movies by saved for games and tv.

Hard Plastic starwars!!! Oh how long I have waited for this!

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Hard Plastic starwars!!! Oh how long I have waited for this!

FWIW, the vehicles are already hard plastic.

Cool, I haven't been keeping up with the news on this. I should get a AT-ST for some weathering practice!

Well, that's nice. Rookie like Obi-Wan won't do me any good when I really need a real, bombad general, but I guess I can wait.

I hope we get Ahsoka.

 Geifer wrote:

I hope we get Ahsoka.

Seems like she'd make a good operative.

Curious if they'll do Palpatine AND Sidious.

 LunarSol wrote:
FWIW, the vehicles are already hard plastic.

I was doubting you, but I went and checked and you're right. Priority supplies too. The figures on top of the vehicles are boardgame plastic though. Do you know if you can use plastic glue on those models?

 LunarSol wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

I hope we get Ahsoka.

Seems like she'd make a good operative.

Curious if they'll do Palpatine AND Sidious.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

I hope we get Ahsoka.

Seems like she'd make a good operative.

Curious if they'll do Palpatine AND Sidious.

They should do a sideboard like A Song of Ice and Fire and have Palpi/Sidious/The Senate interfere in your games.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
FWIW, the vehicles are already hard plastic.

I was doubting you, but I went and checked and you're right. Priority supplies too. The figures on top of the vehicles are boardgame plastic though. Do you know if you can use plastic glue on those models?

Plastic glue works fine on them. It's the same plastic we all know and love on the current vehicles I have (speeder bikes, AT-RT and AT-ST). And yes, the riders are PVC. You'll need super glue for those. But the vehicles themselves are plastic overall, which is needed to get firm and straight pieces.

Are the vehicles styrene? I thought they were just a stiffer blend of pvc still.

 Geifer wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

I hope we get Ahsoka.

Seems like she'd make a good operative.

Curious if they'll do Palpatine AND Sidious.

They should do a sideboard like A Song of Ice and Fire and have Palpi/Sidious/The Senate interfere in your games.

Hang on. Before you attack with that unit we need do a filibuster roll (pass on a critical, reroll otherwise) and form a committee to roll those dice for you.