Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58.

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**ScarletRose**

I said if they did the prequels I'd do an Order 66 army, and well it looks like I need to get used to painting white now.

I'm really happy they're using hard plastic for some of the Legion stuff now.

**LunarSol**

ScarletRose wrote:
I said if they did the prequels I'd do an Order 66 army, and well it looks like I need to get used to painting white now.

I'm really happy they're using hard plastic for some of the Legion stuff now.

They actually have since the beginning. The AT-RT, Speeder Bikes, Snowspeeder and AT-ST were all hard plastic at launch. There have been a few others since. The main difference is that we're seeing units done in it now.

**insaniak**

Manchu wrote:
Rex, Dooku, Phase II Clones, B-2s

Gnnn... God, I wish these models were a sensible size. It would be nice to have some B-2's to supplement my bendy-ankle WotC versions... :(

**Commander Cain**

On the topic of droid colour schemes I thought I would post a few interesting ones that pop up in the Clone Wars tv show, there are some good ones!

A nice dark blue

Spoiler:

Green for the tank commanders

This awesome orange and bluey grey

There's also the Geonosian one from Ep II

Hopefully we get commando droids and tactical droids at some point as they had some great colour variations as well!

**nagash42**

The AAT comes with a tactical droid card. remove the AI rule an gives him a rule to work as a commander when you use a card.

**H.B.M.C.**

Hope that they do the Galactic Marines eventually. They're sinister looking fellows.

**Kroem**

Thanks for the droid colouring research Commander Cain! I knew that the accents change (yellow for commander, red for security etc.) but I'm really surprised that all the different corporations that deployed Battle Droids used the light stone. The darker burnt orange of Geonosian droids being the only different colour ones we see.

Maybe they are like those Ford cars where you can have any colour as long as it is black

**Paradigm**

There's also these from Republic Commando, the bare metal as they roll straight out of the factory and onto the battlefield. Could be cool to paint a squad or two like that,

**kestral**

Hate me if you must, but I really loved the Gungan Army and would totally buy them, and maybe even play the game if I could play them.

**Thargrim**

I am a little bummed they couldn't do the phase 1 clones on sprues, but it sounds like the phase 2 should be (but they get no dc-15). The B2 droids look awesome and might have to get some just to paint even if I don't start that army, those were always my favorite battle droids.

**Yodhrin**

Thargrim wrote:
I am a little bummed they couldn't do the phase 1 clones on sprues, but it sounds like the phase 2 should be (but they get no dc-15). The B2 droids look awesome and might have to get some just to paint even if I don't start that army, those were always my favorite battle droids.

It is a little annoying, but with the caveat that they may well have "picked" the contents of the boxes sold at GenCon to create a positive first impression, it does seem as if they've improved the definition on their soft plastics with the Phase 1 troopers(and, presumably, the newer characters - Sabine and Bossk did seem a bit crisper than Leia & Han etc).

Of course, for OT fans that's a little bit galling, as it seems like we've provided FFG with the initial funding and market penetration they need to justify high quality models for Clone Wars, and our reward is inferior quality models and maybe, if they're feeling generous, the chance to buy them all again in hard plastic in a couple of years.

**Kroem**

What's the difference between the early war clone troopers and late war clone troopers then?

The unpainted metal droid straight from the assembly line doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The droid factory on Geonosis clearly shows droid parts being painted in sub-assemblies prior to final assembly. So how would a fully assembled unpainted droid occur? You wouldn't want to paint after final assembly as you'd miss joints and internal surfaces which would then be vulnerable to corrosion making the paint kinda useless...

**Albino Squirrel**

The box contents are PVC not hard plastic?

**Yodhrin**

Kroem wrote:
What's the difference between the early war clone troopers and late war clone troopers then?

Phase 2 Troopers have slightly superior armour, a good proportion of veteran Clones, and even the Shinies(brand new Clones) are a bit more effective than the original Phase 1 batches since their "education" is updated with more specific information on fighting the CIS Droid Army. That said, the difference isn't that huge other than the obvious visual changes, and I was a bit surprised to see they're actually making them distinct units.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
The box contents are PVC not hard plastic?

The droids and Grievous are the same hard plastic sprues as in the expansion boxes, but the Phase 1 Clone Troopers, the Phase 1 BARC speeder crew, and Obi Wan are all PVC. But, as I said, they seem to have altered their mixture or process a bit, since the details(on weapons in particular) seem noticeably sharper.

**Siygess**

Yodhrin wrote:
Kroem wrote:
What's the difference between the early war clone troopers and late war clone troopers then?

Phase 2 Troopers have slightly superior armour, a good proportion of veteran Clones, and even the Shinies(brand new Clones) are a bit more effective than the original Phase 1 batches since their "education" is updated with more specific information on fighting the CIS Droid Army. That said, the difference isn't that huge other than the obvious visual changes, and I was a bit surprised to see they're actually making them distinct units.

Agreed. It might have made more sense if the Phase 1 troopers were early war Phase 1 (and thus they all had DC-15A blasters) with the Phase 2 troopers all sporting DC-15S blasters.. but given that the DC-15A has been 'relegated' to support weapon status (as it was in the clone wars cartoons) it would have been a bit OP to have 5 or 6 of those per squad

So yeah, likely the Phase 2 troopers will exist purely to represent "veteran" clones, be that through survival and experience, or more tailored basic training.

**LunarSol**

kestral wrote:
Hate me if you must, but I really loved the Gungan Army and would totally buy them, and maybe even play the game if I could play them.

Why would I deny myself the opportunity to take down rows and rows of Gungans?

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Yodhrin wrote:

Of course, for OT fans that's a little bit galling, as it seems like we've provided FFG with the initial funding and market penetration they need to justify high quality models for Clone Wars, and our reward is inferior quality models and maybe, if they're feeling generous, the chance to buy them all again in hard plastic in a couple of years.

I mean.... that's true of every game system ever really. Funding a new game system with metal or PVC models until they move on to something better is true of everyone, even GW.

**Fenriswulf**

I'd love to see a photo of the B1 droid sprue or of someone assembling them to see how the miniatures have turned out. I want them to convert with other parts to make my own droids, but I am waiting to see how these pan out. I have a ton of Antares Concord troops I was going to use, but these are more "droidy" if you could use that word than the Antares miniatures.

**Siygess**

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/8/6/beyond-standard-issue/?fbclid=IwAR0sDb4NMd9LhxuYq_c4s5yjG6TD5vaTZESoa4BWVudHtdM1rrKHc7QTOVU

So, those 4 new core unit "alt" model boxes are interesting.

When the Rebel veterans came out I Iamented the need to have a bunch of cold weather guys in a primarily tropical-themed rebel force, a problem that also rears its head when it comes to the FD Laser Cannon crew, as well as the E-Web. It occured to me that FFG could just sell a box of.. 2 Rebel Trooper crewmen and a Rebel Trooper with mk2 Medium Blaster. Then players could buy some Veterans for the cards, a second box of basic troopers and this "alt crew" and field some regular weather veterans with the appropriate heavy weapon. Crazy right? But now I'm starting to think it could be possible..

**LunarSol**

They're not really alt models though, just additional heavy weapon options. These have the massive problem of needing to buy a box of 4 as many times as you need a copy of the one model you want to use. The commander expansions had a similar problem, as does notably the Strike squads.

**Sqorgar**

LunarSol wrote:
They're not really alt models though, just additional heavy weapon options.

It's not clear about the other boxes, but the Stormtrooper heavies can be modeled with regular E-11 blaster rifles:

Joining a Stormtrooper Captain are a Stormtrooper Specialist as well as a T-21 Stormtrooper and an RT-97C Stormtrooper that can both be constructed with their heavy weapons or the standard E-11 blaster rifle. These miniatures are accompanied by seven upgrade cards that allow you to incorporate them into your existing Stormtrooper units as well as a unit card inviting you to create a completely new unit.

I can't tell from the picture, but I think the Stormtrooper unit card might be the same as the original one, allowing you to build two Stormtrooper units from a unit box and an upgrade box.

**Vertrucio**

Curious as to what the new upgrades are that aren't new weapons.

**LunarSol**

Sqorgar wrote:
LunarSol wrote:
They're not really alt models though, just additional heavy weapon options.

It's not clear about the other boxes, but the Stormtrooper heavies can be modeled with regular E-11 blaster rifles:

Joining a Stormtrooper Captain are a Stormtrooper Specialist as well as a T-21 Stormtrooper and an RT-97C Stormtrooper that can both be constructed with their heavy weapons or the standard E-11 blaster rifle. These miniatures are accompanied by seven upgrade cards that allow you to incorporate them into your existing Stormtrooper units as well as a unit card inviting you to create a completely new unit.

I can't tell from the picture, but I think the Stormtrooper unit card might be the same as the original one, allowing you to build two Stormtrooper units from a unit box and an upgrade box.

Yeah, its a decent design; it just falls into the same trap 40k does; where the game really doesn't encourage squads with different configurations, so having 2 squads doesn't really help you if you only get 1 of the "right" special weapon.

**Geifer**

Hey, we're getting a bunker. Isn't that cool?

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/8/9/battle-for-the-bunker/

**Albino Squirrel**

That's pretty cool. Nowhere near $75 worth of cool, though.

**Patriarch**

Kroem wrote:
The unpainted metal droid straight from the assembly line doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The droid factory on Geonosis clearly shows droid parts being painted in sub-assemblies prior to final assembly. So how would a fully assembled unpainted droid occur? You wouldn't want to paint after final assembly as you'd miss joints and internal surfaces which would then be vulnerable to corrosion making the paint kinda useless...

If the factory itself is under sustained attack, the facility might want to push droids out of the door as fast as possible and into the fight. So they skip the painting stage altogether - don't care how they look, or that they might corrode in a few months. This way we get an extra 30,000 battle droids between the clones and the factory door.

**Cannibal**

Patriarch wrote:
Kroem wrote:
The unpainted metal droid straight from the assembly line doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The droid factory on Geonosis clearly shows droid parts being painted in sub-assemblies prior to final assembly. So how would a fully assembled unpainted droid occur? You wouldn't want to paint after final assembly as you'd miss joints and internal surfaces which would then be vulnerable to corrosion making the paint kinda useless...

If the factory itself is under sustained attack, the facility might want to push droids out of the door as fast as possible and into the fight. So they skip the painting stage altogether - don't care how they look, or that they might corrode in a few months. This way we get an extra 30,000 battle droids between the clones and the factory door.

This. The Russians did things like this when they were on the ropes in WWII, and later the Germans.

**H.B.M.C.**

My apologies if there isn't a more recent thread for this game, but FFG just announced this:

FFG wrote:
Whether repairing a starfighter on the fly or translating the binary language of moisture vaporators, droids can perform tasks that other beings simply cannot. But sometimes droids transcend their programming, using their many skills to help their allies in wholly unexpected ways. Such is the case with R2-D2 and C-3PO.

Throughout both the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War, these two iconic droids often took on critical objectives that sent them into the heart of battle—much to C-3PO’s chagrin. With the Crashed Escape Pod Battlefield Expansion for Star Wars™: Legion, you can make this dynamic droid duo an integral part of your Star Wars infantry battles.

In addition to a beautifully sculpted hard plastic crashed escape pod miniature, this expansion also includes hard plastic R2-D2 and C-3PO miniatures that can be become central objectives in two thrilling scenario that play out with six new battle cards. But R2-D2 and C-3PO can contribute more to your battles than simply serving as objectives. Two R2-D2 unit cards and two C-3PO unit cards invite you to add these resilient droids to your Galactic Republic or Rebel Alliance armies, while two upgrade cards and R2-D2’s three signature command cards open up even more ways to use them in battle.

Join us today as we take a look at what R2-D2 and C-3PO can contribute to your armies!

Now, I thought it was bad when FFG was bringing out destroyed versions of existing units; they had plumbed the exceptionally shallow depths of the GCW and found that the only new thing they could add was dead old things.

But now we have an escape pod w/3P0 and R2 in it. A solitary single event from the start of one movie is the latest release from FFG's flashship SW wargame.

Go back to Clone Wars guys. At least there's a fight there...

**Yodhrin**

And yet there's still plenty of GCW stuff to come, some of it this year, and the R2/3P0 box is also usable by the Republic faction.

Two fails in a row - come on chief, you usually put more effort into your moaning about Legion than this.

**H.B.M.C.**

Told'ja...

**LunarSol**

Like... you don't field the escape pod with the unit. It's a terrain/scenario piece separate from the droids in game. Since when I terrain kits a lack of ideas?