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Those all look great. I'll have to see if the game is any good.

The Arc trooper box looks great but doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be better off as a multi-option operative box, a single figure that could be built in a large number of ways with rules that allowed them to break the normal restrictions on the number of such squad types you can take.

A box with 4 Reuplic Commandos and a multi-option generic Jedi Padawan would have made more sense

 Siygess wrote:
The Arc trooper box looks great but doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be better off as a multi-option operative box, a single figure that could be built in a large number of ways with rules that allowed them to break the normal restrictions on the number of such squad types you can take.

But then it wouldn't be a squad of ARC troopers...

Heh, sure, but a squad of ARC troopers doesn't make any sense. You got a problem? You send 30 Clone Troopers, a squad of Republic Commandos or a single ARC Trooper. They are each characters in their own right, all mini-Jango Fetts with their own specialities. A squad of them should be a 500pt army in their own right

The CIS doesn't really have an equivalent, and it certainly isn't the Commando Droids, who are.. really.. an equivalent to the Republic Commandos lol

Well, I think I'm sold on those ARC Troopers...paint 'em up with the Umbra Operative scheme that is an option in Battlefront and away we go!

 Siygess wrote:
Heh, sure, but a squad of ARC troopers doesn't make any sense. You got a problem? You send 30 Clone Troopers, a squad of Republic Commandos or a single ARC Trooper. They are each characters in their own right, all mini-Jango Fetts with their own specialities. A squad of them should be a 500pt army in their own right

The CIS doesn't really have an equivalent, and it certainly isn't the Commando Droids, who are.. really.. an equivalent to the Republic Commandos lol

If this was the old EU, then I would agree. In the Clone Wars canon that replaced the EU, and is now the Disney Canon, ARCs weren't just Clones breed specifically to be ARC, but generic clones that proved themselves and earned their way into Special Forces. They are used as individuals, ARC Teams and as implants into regular Clone Units as we see with Fives and Echo.

Where in nuCanon have they been depicted working in units larger than two? The most we see of them on-screen at once during TCW is three, and those are all officers doing a briefing on Kamino for trainees, not a combat unit. Do we ever see them using Jetpacks? I don't recall.

ARCs should have been an Operative box with two models, with the choice to field them as either Op+Counterpart in a single unit, or embedded singly into Clone squads that have a Personnel slot. Leave the special ops squad releases for Clone Commandos, ARF infantry, SpecOps Troopers etc, all of which do operate as actual squads.

That said, the models look cool.

They're a unit to counter-balance the Droid Commando unit.

I just want my Death troopers :(

 Yodhrin wrote:
Where in nuCanon have they been depicted working in units larger than two? The most we see of them on-screen at once during TCW is three, and those are all officers doing a briefing on Kamino for trainees, not a combat unit. Do we ever see them using Jetpacks? I don't recall.

ARCs should have been an Operative box with two models, with the choice to field them as either Op+Counterpart in a single unit, or embedded singly into Clone squads that have a Personnel slot. Leave the special ops squad releases for Clone Commandos, ARF infantry, SpecOps Troopers etc, all of which do operate as actual squads.

That said, the models look cool.

To my knowledge we've never seen it (Except in the EU, where we had the Muunilist 10), but I'm fairly sure its been mentioned that they operate in numbers greater than 2. No reason they can't. We also dont know that Clone Commandos are a Tier Lower than ARCs in the Hierarchy established by The Clone Wars. Heck we've seen 4 Clone Commandos, compared to the 7 ARCs (Rex, Fives, Echo, Colt, Jesse, Havoc and Blitz) we've seen. I'll concede it probably should have been ARF Troopers, who seem to fall into the same category as ARC Troopers as they are listen as both being the make up of Rancor Battalion. As for Jet Pack ARCs, I give you the following picture. Also we've seen Rex with one.




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 bubber wrote:
I just want my Death troopers :(

The Death Troopers that are out?

 insaniak wrote:
So much win.

How I wish these were in a sensible scale. Although I may still wind up picking up some of those droids for non-Star Wars purposes, where the scale won't matter.

What wrong with the scale?

Legion minis are a good chunk larger than other companies' minis that are in the same range of scale.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're a unit to counter-balance the Droid Commando unit.

The point is there are at least four other special forces units that could and IMO should have filled that role.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Where in nuCanon have they been depicted working in units larger than two? The most we see of them on-screen at once during TCW is three, and those are all officers doing a briefing on Kamino for trainees, not a combat unit. Do we ever see them using Jetpacks? I don't recall.

ARCs should have been an Operative box with two models, with the choice to field them as either Op+Counterpart in a single unit, or embedded singly into Clone squads that have a Personnel slot. Leave the special ops squad releases for Clone Commandos, ARF infantry, SpecOps Troopers etc, all of which do operate as actual squads.

That said, the models look cool.

To my knowledge we've never seen it (Except in the EU, where we had the Muunilist 10), but I'm fairly sure its been mentioned that they operate in numbers greater than 2. No reason they can't. We also dont know that Clone Commandos are a Tier Lower than ARCs in the Hierarchy established by The Clone Wars. Heck we've seen 4 Clone Commandos, compared to the 7 ARCs (Rex, Fives, Echo, Colt, Jesse, Havoc and Blitz) we've seen. I'll concede it probably should have been ARF Troopers, who seem to fall into the same category as ARC Troopers as they are listen as both being the make up of Rancor Battalion. As for Jet Pack ARCs, I give you the following picture. Also we've seen Rex with one.

Spoiler:

I know that it hasn't been explicitly stated that they never operate as squads, but it's never been shown they do outside of that one Legends animoo. Also it's 5 Commandos - Gregor shows up in the D-Squad arc - but regardless the point is they're a squad, and CCs do operate in squads of four based on what we know and see of them. The pic seems to be from the FFG RPG so it shouldn't really be on the canon page on the wook, but eh close enough.

In the end it's not a huge deal since I use the models in a different game(and in fact, the box suits my plans even better, since I can make both P1 and P2 versions of my unit's ARCs out of a single box), I just find it odd that they'd go with such a...creative interpretation of ARCs when other options exist and given until now they're been pretty rigidly "screen-accurate or nuffin'!" in approach.

So is Legion increasingly going to plastic minis on sprues? All these expansions make definite mention of "hard plastic" in the descriptions.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The point is there are at least four other special forces units that could and IMO should have filled that role.

That's a good point. Could have gone with Republic Commandos, or Galactic Marines. Probably another that I'm forgetting as well.

Man. There's just so much to draw from with the Clone Wars setting.

 ingtaer wrote:

What wrong with the scale?

For me personally, I already have a large collection of the WotC minis. I would happily have bought a Bantha-poodoo-tonne of these models to supplement that collection, and potentially bought into the game itself, if they were in the same ballpark scale - it didn't even have to be a perfect match, since WotC's scale tended to be somewhat variable anyway. But by opting to go so big with them, I have no interest in picking up the game if I'm going to have to buy a whole new range of models for it, and no other use for the models, so wind up buying neither. I just wander into this thread occasionally and have a little cry over what could have been...

So, is Imperial Assault completely dead then? Would anyone play it with Legion mins? I've got a complete set of IA rules and tiles I was hoping to trade away--should I not even bother and just trashe them?

It's very possible that the different scale was mandated by Lucasfilm.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, is Imperial Assault completely dead then? Would anyone play it with Legion mins? I've got a complete set of IA rules and tiles I was hoping to trade away--should I not even bother and just trashe them?

Yep, IA is dead. There is some talk that they were/are going to do some map packs and sundry but nothing official has been said. It would depend upon your group but I cant see why you couldn't use them in Legion (just not for official events) and you might have to rebase some stuff to be able to use the movement tools (like the AT-ST). Whats the point in binning them? Still a fun game.

I'm finding it really strange that I don't care at all for the prequel trilogy, but at the same time love the idea of a Clone Wars wargame much more than a Galactic Civil War one?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm finding it really strange that I don't care at all for the prequel trilogy, but at the same time love the idea of a Clone Wars wargame much more than a Galactic Civil War one?

Same actually, I think its because its more of a stand up fight rather an asymmetric war and thus makes more "sense".

 ingtaer wrote:
Same actually, I think its because its more of a stand up fight rather an asymmetric war and thus makes more "sense".

And, as I said, it has so much more to draw from, given it was the proper "stand up fight" you said it was. But we should be careful with such talk. We might inadvertently summon The Mighty Yod.

This argument about how ARC Troopers are canonically deployed is triggering me hard because I am trying to chill out and enjoy SW again despite the IP being a fething wreck. There isn’t even a reasonable explanation of why the Clone Wars began so there’s no real point grinding our teeth over the GAR order of battle. I am just trying to stay focused on the superficial level of Star Wars actually featuring, ya know, a full scale galactic war.

As HBMC said, the Clone Wars can be mined for so much awesome stuff yet to come!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm finding it really strange that I don't care at all for the prequel trilogy, but at the same time love the idea of a Clone Wars wargame much more than a Galactic Civil War one?

There's always been something indefinably cool about all the different types of clone troopers - moreso than Stormtrooper variants, and I have no idea why.

And who doesn't love an army of robotic doom?


Regardless of how good the movies are, the setting is fantastic fodder for a wargame.

 Manchu wrote:
This argument about how ARC Troopers are canonically deployed is triggering me hard because I am trying to chill out and enjoy SW again despite the IP being a fething wreck. There isn’t even a reasonable explanation of why the Clone Wars began so there’s no real point grinding our teeth over the GAR order of battle. I am just trying to stay focused on the superficial level of Star Wars actually featuring, ya know, a full scale galactic war.

As HBMC said, the Clone Wars can be mined for so much awesome stuff yet to come!

Just consider that the ARC box allows the option to field a full unit or a strike team so you can take ARCs to taste! Also the Commandos can do the same but cooler!

 Gallahad wrote:
Those all look great. I'll have to see if the game is any good.

Long time gamer and I must say it is better then 40k and AoS in their current state. I brought over a true diehard GW fanatic who said the same thing. The game plays so much smoother and is very tactical.

The bigger question I have is, what does it mean to field Phase I alongside of Phase II CTs? Surely, they would simply be the same unit gamewise but I know enough about FFG to assume otherwise.

Surely Phase 2 have some enhanced abilities due to their latter stage equipment, whereas Phase 1 troopers are pretty bog-standard (although seemingly carry the longer rifles more often than their Phase 2 successors).

Phase 2 have an extra pip of morale, the Reliable trait (gain a surge on activation) and the training slot. Cost 8pt more for the base unit.

No doubt “Phase II” has the in-setting implication of indicating significant change, although not necessarily an improvement. For all I know, equipment may have gotten worse as resources became strained and training became a lower priority than deployment (not unknown in real war). But given that, as a product, they were released alongside B2s, I assume the Phase IIs are a stronger/more expensive unit relative to Phase Is. I guess the two might fight together in a transitionary period, fluffwise.


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 ingtaer wrote:
Phase 2 have an extra pip of morale, the Reliable trait (gain a surge on activation) and the training slot. Cost 8pt more for the base unit.

Neat. Seems like they are basically veterans.