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Seems really dissapointing if all of this is true. I was really eager to get my hands on the outlanders. Seens like it will be a really quiet year for necro

 Yodhrin wrote:

That's pretty much all bad news IMO. I was hoping we'd see at least one or two of the Outlanders gangs this year, and for the love of feth can we have *one thing* that isn't smeared with Space Marines. Just one. I like Marines, it'd just be good to have one single, solitary product line from GW that focuses on other things. And don't give me any "just off the cuff" - if they're talking about it, they're seriously considering it, and if they do stuff like that it will be the thin end of the wedge.

I wish I was telepathic like you. I wouldn't need to watch the stream. Necromunda does focus on other things. One outcast isn't a "focus", and no matter what you think, it was off the cuff - in response to a comment on the stream chat asking for a Fallen Dark Angel bounty hunter*, Andy repsoned that a lost blood Angel would be better. It might happen, but then again, might not. And it'll be a few years of if it ever does. It could be some sort of vampiric monster of the shadows that you hire (or lure out) in desperation. no need for the word "Space Marine" to be used anywhere in his description, just leave it hinted at. A monster clad in rags, with a hint of red and the odd icon hanging from its clothes.

*As a follow-up to the talk about the Friday night Silent Heresy participation game at the Weekender, which is Knights Errant boarding the Vengeful Spirit (based on one of the novels, apparently), using the Necromunda Rules for a Horus Heresy game. The players all play loyalist marine infiltrators against the Black Legion controlled by the FW staff. The rules will be in the event programme apparently.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
Seems really dissapointing if all of this is true. I was really eager to get my hands on the outlanders. Seens like it will be a really quiet year for necro

No more than the last year was, I think. After all, they're not doing the ex-Outlanders gangs because they've got plenty of new stuff to do.

The topic of Space Marines has always been dividing in Necromunda. Some people want to see space marines everywhere, others want Necromunda to be something completely different. How would a Space Marine survive in the underhive against gangers with multi-meltas, thunder hammers and effectively terminator armour hitting on 2+? A 3+ save Space Marine hitting on 3+ with a boltgun is not gonna last long against N18 fighters!

The minis shown on previous page are:

1) Rogue Psyker, previously available from Forge World. This can be used for example as a Chaos Cult Witch.
2) Baertrum Arturos III, Guilder Bounty Hunter (introduced in Gang War 4, reprinted and corrected in Gangs compilation book). There's even an illustration of that exact miniature on his profile page.
3) Ortruum 8-8, Psykanarium Psi-Hound Bounty Hunter (also introduced in Gang War 4, reprinted and corrected in Gangs compilation book). No illustration of him on his pages, just an escher ganger instead.

Ortruum was more messed up than I expected/imagined!

About the cards, I couldn't care less. The size is awful, no available sleeves other than Blood Bowl and no proper storage/transport. If people want the cards, there are far superior alternatives out there!

I don't really understand skipping the Outlander gangs tbh. Spyrers perhaps, but the others were great.

But to be honest I think the first priority should be the Juve models for the existing houses.

Funny they forgot to remove "Dead, Not Alive" special rule for Ortruum in Gang compilation book after it was moved to universal Bounty Hunter rules.

They'll get to them... There are quite a few months in this upcoming year. If not, we're going to have to fall back on the old models, and call it a day.

I mean- Look at these.... "new" ones. I know that they were something the community of Necromunda players was screaming for and rioting in the streets over.

This issue about all forge world stuff is going to blow, though. Aside from the 50/50 quality that they have devolved to, the price is just out of range on half of this stuff, and leaves a bad taste in your mouth over.

A ray of sunshine, though- Necromunda still leaves itself open for player developed characters, such as Fallen Angel #123, or Inquisitor Pee-Pants needs an escort, or Your choice of wandering monster, or zombie invasion....

To leave it on a high note, I really am interested in throwing those Blackstone Fortress and Genestealer cultists into the mix to counter the ill will given the fans.

I can almost see a TV Show vibe to the new addition of the 3D board to fight on. Caverns for the maps, and the structures in addition for the tabletop.

I mean damn, just wait till we start talking about Ratskins, vehicles, and Ash Waste Nomads.....

 The Phazer wrote:
I don't really understand skipping the Outlander gangs tbh. Spyrers perhaps, but the others were great.

But to be honest I think the first priority should be the Juve models for the existing houses.

I got the feeling they want to do something completely fresh instead of re-doing everything as it was before.

Baxx wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I don't really understand skipping the Outlander gangs tbh. Spyrers perhaps, but the others were great.

But to be honest I think the first priority should be the Juve models for the existing houses.

I got the feeling they want to do something completely fresh instead of re-doing everything as it was before.

Apart from the Ambots, redesigned gangs, redesigned terrain, multiple secondary models like the BHs & brutes, and the Guilder stuff we know they've been working on?

I like most of what they've been up to with N17, but it's not even slightly similar enough to the oldschool version to justify them feeling like they're just retreading old ground. Purposefully embarking on a "director's cut" version of Necromunda that makes quite a few visual changes and then deciding even that isn't "new" enough to keep your interest seems a wee smidge churlish.

But we'll wait and see what they say at the weekender, no point working up into a proper lather over vague comments and rumours.

Chikout wrote:
The photos are screen grabs of yesterday's live stream on warhammer live, so they are photos of a video at low resolution in less than perfect lighting conditions.
They are all bounty hunters not guilders. Tony Cottrell said on the stream that they will share some info about Necromunda in 2019 at the heresy weekender.

Title fixed. thanks.

Chikout wrote:
The photos are screen grabs of yesterday's live stream on warhammer live, so they are photos of a video at low resolution in less than perfect lighting conditions.
They are all bounty hunters not guilders. Tony Cottrell said on the stream that they will share some info about Necromunda in 2019 at the heresy weekender.

Is the Rouge Psyker a bounty hunter? The usage for that model seems natural as a chaos cult witch.
And the Baertrum Bounty Hunter is also a guilder (in fluff / title only) Or, the guilders' bounty hunter

Baxx wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The photos are screen grabs of yesterday's live stream on warhammer live, so they are photos of a video at low resolution in less than perfect lighting conditions.
They are all bounty hunters not guilders. Tony Cottrell said on the stream that they will share some info about Necromunda in 2019 at the heresy weekender.

Is the Rouge Psyker a bounty hunter? The usage for that model seems natural as a chaos cult witch.
And the Baertrum Bounty Hunter is also a guilder (in fluff / title only) Or, the guilders' bounty hunter

Bah.

Someone else suggest a title.

NECROMUNDA PLAYERS: "We want Local Arbites/Enforcers, Muties, Ratskins, and Cultists!"

FORGE WORLD: "Here's a dude with a powdered funky wig and an oversized fetus with grabby-hands."


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Baxx wrote:
The topic of Space Marines has always been dividing in Necromunda. Some people want to see space marines everywhere, others want Necromunda to be something completely different. How would a Space Marine survive in the underhive against gangers with multi-meltas, thunder hammers and effectively terminator armour hitting on 2+? A 3+ save Space Marine hitting on 3+ with a boltgun is not gonna last long against N18 fighters!

One could argue that the stats for Necromunda are on a different 'scale' than 40k. We've done a bit of experimenting with "Space Marines in Necromunda" and it's quite clear the rules aren't a great fit for them by Codex stats, so we just simply made adjustments- "Movie Marine" vs. Necromunda Gangs. Bump his stats up, 2+ WS and BS, 5 STR and T, and 4+ Invuln save. Wound up being pretty fun just to see who could survive. Not what I'd call a competitive option for a game, but Necromunda isn't for 'competitive' players.

Truthfully, I'd like Necromunda's system rehashed to fit another Shadow War game, using 40k units. The game is actually a lot of fun.

Sadly, you're right about Space Marines being a divisive issue- Hell, if you REALLY want to see people have a meltdown over it... tell some INQ28 players that you're running a Space Marine and lots of them will start having a meltdown even though the damned rulebook has actual Space Marines as a character option. Not, 'stuffed in the back of the book', it's literally the second option in the Character Creation chapter, right after the Inquisitor. Some people screech about the very idea of someone wanting to enjoy certain things, as if they're being forced to play at the same table with that person. But, I digress...

Keep Maureens out of the Underhive, unless you’re going full on Marines at the Movies.

Every Bolter has Heavy Bolter stats, minimum. No flesh wounds. At least 4 wounds each, re-rollable save, Feel No Pain equivalent, full psychology rules for their visceral impact upon a Hiver as they see their mates blown to bloody smithereens.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Keep Maureens out of the Underhive, unless you’re going full on Marines at the Movies.

Every Bolter has Heavy Bolter stats, minimum. No flesh wounds. At least 4 wounds each, re-rollable save, Feel No Pain equivalent, full psychology rules for their visceral impact upon a Hiver as they see their mates blown to bloody smithereens.

Oh, we ran a SINGLE Marine against Genestealer and Chaos Cults.

That was a load of fun.

 Haighus wrote:
Yeah, that Blood Angel concept doesn't seem fitting at all. How would they even get to Necromunda?

I'd be quite happy if they left Space Marines out entirely, and if they do include them, at least go with the sensible option of, y'know, basing it around the Space Marines already on the planet, not some random Space Marine from a Chapter on the other side of the galaxy.

"Random" you say


That is, only, like, one of the best known Necromunda art...

 Irbis wrote:

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That is, only, like, one of the best known Necromunda art...

I like the absurdity of him pointing and yelling about at the huge-ass bright red Space Marine 2 feet away, as if the guy standing there with the shotgun hasn't noticed him yet.

And the other guy doesn't so much look like he's been shot, but more like he's missed a trivia question in the final round.

A single space marine would be very easy to do, just call him alpharius, make him a hired gun, no armour or normal marine equipment and just hint at him being a marine. Done.

Whatever happened to this guy? Wasn't he supposed to come out with Gang War 2?

Who/what is that?

No Outlanders for the foreseeable future...this game get better all the time. Want to play with those gangs and remember the high time of the Clinton Presidency then go track down a hard cover and go to town, but not like Clinton.

I like where this new version is going and it aint across the wastelands.

Now a new Underhive bestiary...

 Chairman Aeon wrote:


Now a new Underhive bestiary...

Yes please!

we're already getting the ambot and have ganger pets. I would love for a wealthy hivers personal zoo to have a containment breach and all sorts of crazy zoological things going on. Or more mutated stuff and hazards in the under hive. Ambulls(Blackstone fortress), tentacle monsters, winged stuff, giant insects/spiders, etc...

New incomng

Oh nice! Some real characters in there


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*blink* *blink* oh my!

It all sounds fantastic - but the fallen houses are especially intriguing to me. This may get expensive, but I cannot wait for any of this!

Very intriguing

No new miniatures? :(

All amazing, but how many years before we see any of it?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
All amazing, but how many years before we see any of it?

My thoughts too...

But if they do start to realise of all of this stuff as product, Underhive has huge potential to grow.


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Also... my interpretation of Guilds is that they are few characters leading a collection of gangers?

Hired gangers from the main house perhaps?

zamerion wrote:
No new miniatures? :(

Apparently there is a second seminar this afternoon that looks more likely to contain models from the description (according to someone on FB who is there anyway)

Yeah, they tend to host the seminar and then show off the models afterwards