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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
With the focus now back as a "House Helmawr gang", there's a bit more room for individuality.

That reminds me: In one of the Kal Jerico comics from Warhammer Monthly, there were some Necromundan troopers that persued Jercio under orders from Lord Helmawr. I wonder if GW used them for reference?



PS:
The cyber-mastiff was part of an Inquisitorial retinue, not of the Necromundans.

Those would be cool. I'd rather have ones based on the concept sketch from earlier, but I could live with a modern-GW interpretation of the comic book version.

JaqTaar wrote:

That reminds me: In one of the Kal Jerico comics from Warhammer Monthly, there were some Necromundan troopers that persued Jercio under orders from Lord Helmawr. I wonder if GW used them for reference?

Weren't they PDF rather than enforcers?

Look like a bunch of Johnny Alphas!

I'll be disappointed if they move too far from the Arbites model style personally. The Delaques are the only Gang that's been a significant departure from the originals so we'll see.

... and Cawdor.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
... and Cawdor.

How are they a significant departure?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
... and Cawdor.

How are they a significant departure?

Well they go from cultist to "lol poor" cultist

Chopstick wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
... and Cawdor.

How are they a significant departure?

Well they go from cultist to "lol poor" cultist

They've barely changed the aesthetic beyond some of them no longer having hoods. Still got the quasi-medieval look (If anything they've added a bit more tech). Just made them a bit more grungy and expanded the background regarding their poverty. It's more extreme than previously but hardly a substantial change.

The entire scavenging aspect of their background is entirely new. The new Cawdor are scavvies with fewer mutants and more candles. The old Cawdor used the same gear as most of the other gangs.

IMO, their look has changed about as much as that of the Delaque (who were pale, skinned, wearing goggles and long coats before and still are; albeit a little skinnier), and their background has changed more.

Really, if you look at the old metal Cawdor models, only about half have hoods. The candles are new.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The entire scavenging aspect of their background is entirely new. The new Cawdor are scavvies with fewer mutants and more candles. The old Cawdor used the same gear as most of the other gangs.

IMO, their look has changed about as much as that of the Delaque (who were pale, skinned, wearing goggles and long coats before and still are; albeit a little skinnier), and their background has changed more.

And both of them are better for it!

 Crimson wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The entire scavenging aspect of their background is entirely new. The new Cawdor are scavvies with fewer mutants and more candles. The old Cawdor used the same gear as most of the other gangs.

IMO, their look has changed about as much as that of the Delaque (who were pale, skinned, wearing goggles and long coats before and still are; albeit a little skinnier), and their background has changed more.

And both of them are better for it!

Agreed. Also much better conversion fodder.

Willing to bet this is an Enforcer

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The entire scavenging aspect of their background is entirely new. The new Cawdor are scavvies with fewer mutants and more candles. The old Cawdor used the same gear as most of the other gangs.

IMO, their look has changed about as much as that of the Delaque (who were pale, skinned, wearing goggles and long coats before and still are; albeit a little skinnier), and their background has changed more.

Cool. But we were (clearly) talking about the miniatures, not the background. And their miniatures don't look that much different to the old Cawdor minis.

Delaque look nothing like their original minis.

Nothing? So they're not wearing long coats, they don't have bald heads and aren't wearing goggles? They're skinnier than before, that's all. The old models fit in alongside well enough; I could tell which ones were old models at a second glance, but nothing really clashing.

The Cawdor models have the sort of weaponry that in previous editions was wielded by scavvies and are dressed in rags. They still have similar hoods and whatever the clothing across the shoulders is called, but the old models had all of those in good condition, not torn and ragged. IMO, they are the greatest departure, visually, from the original models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Delaque look nothing like their original minis.

Yes they do. The only big change is that after pneumonia became the leading cause of death for the house, the leadership ordered everyone to stop running around their coats open like idiots.

Yeah to be honest the three big things going for the miniatures:
-Bald
-Long coats
-Googles

Are still there. But I disagree with Cawdor. They have gone from Medieval Peasants to slightly poorer Medieval Peasants.

Has anyone painted up the new ones like the older style?

As part of what makes them look so different potentially is the brown coats vs new black style.
That may help them to look similar.

While I agree they are a huge departure from the older ones.
They do as stated above have the three main things that make them Delaque still.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Nothing? So they're not wearing long coats, they don't have bald heads and aren't wearing goggles? They're skinnier than before, that's all. The old models fit in alongside well enough; I could tell which ones were old models at a second glance, but nothing really clashing.

The Cawdor models have the sort of weaponry that in previous editions was wielded by scavvies and are dressed in rags. They still have similar hoods and whatever the clothing across the shoulders is called, but the old models had all of those in good condition, not torn and ragged. IMO, they are the greatest departure, visually, from the original models.

I'm with HBMC on this, the Delaque changes are profound;

The delaque looks just how they should,not a departure at all, long coats ,bald and goggles, tick,tick and tick

Guys, kindly take that discussion to a thread of its own and leave this topic for the discussion of news and rumours.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Yay! I'll have another reason to eventually build this totally not an arbites guy now.

Spoiler:

I hate you, I wanted to get that model so badly but alas.

Well you can get a slightly different, new version of that model. You can also get a totally not Olivia Thirlby in Dredd female officer, not to mention male and female squads and 3 different cyber dogs.

Spoiler:

Is that the new enforcers? what are those models from? I need some of those for Blackstone Fortress.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Is that the new enforcers? what are those models from? I need some of those for Blackstone Fortress.

No, they're from Artel "W" Miniatures - the Law Enforcement Unit range.

I've ordered a couple of HeresyLabs versions also for BSF

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Nothing? So they're not wearing long coats, they don't have bald heads and aren't wearing goggles? They're skinnier than before, that's all. The old models fit in alongside well enough; I could tell which ones were old models at a second glance, but nothing really clashing.

The Cawdor models have the sort of weaponry that in previous editions was wielded by scavvies and are dressed in rags. They still have similar hoods and whatever the clothing across the shoulders is called, but the old models had all of those in good condition, not torn and ragged. IMO, they are the greatest departure, visually, from the original models.

I'm with HBMC on this, the Delaque changes are profound

The major difference I see between those two is the rebreather and the belt buckle, to be honest. And the fact that his coat is done up. The main thing that would stop me mixing the old with the new is only the style of the weapons.

Someone uploaded this a bit early

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/17/forge-world-previews-halflings-and-heroes/

Kal Jericho and Scabs are next weeks preorders (25th May)

It's funny that it says Forge World, since that should be all available via GW themselves too...

Looking at the closeups on WarCom, Kal is painted far, far better than Scabs.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Looking at the closeups on WarCom, Kal is painted far, far better than Scabs.

They are both insanely better than anything painted for HH besides Primarchs in a very long time. Great paint job makes me want to buy the model, it inspires. Gak paint job makes me question the sculpt and the company itself. FW - take the time to make your display marketing models impressive.