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 JohnnyHell wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
“Enjoy these ‘Palanites’ that you never asked for, because we aren’t making the Arbites that you do want!”

They said right from the start:

1. Enforcers are not Arbites.
2. Arbites don't bother with the Underhive.

And that isn't just for this edition of Necromunda. They've been saying that for years.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Leader is only BS4+?

That seems....odd.

I noticed that as well.

They can repeat that as much as they like. You may have noticed lots of “but where’s the Arbites?” in most threads online about these guys. Not just me. Not my fault they made some retcon fluff peeps don’t much care for and made those models first instead of Arbites. Shrug.

There hasn't been a retcon. Arbites were not what the original Necromunda models were, they were also Enforcers. The 4 Adeptus Arbites miniatures looked fairly similar, but there was still a difference between Arbites and Enforcers.

In lore as well, the Arbites don't bother with this sort of thing. It seems quite a lot of people confuse the two and think it's the Arbites that are the typical Law Enforcement for the Hive, for some reason.

Besides all of that, there hasn’t been a new Arbites model in two decades. Who knows what they’d look like if they were redone today? Especially since Judge Dredd has lawyers now.

Anyway, what I’m saying is; if you wait long enough, you might get new arbites that might look a lot closer to these guys than their previous incarnations.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Cute, but no. They look entirely different, these are very much not Arbites. Let’s not be needlessly rude to people because they have a differing view, now...

Do they look that different? Keep in mind most minis look different now compared to decades ago, even the ones representing the exact same thing. I'm not sure I'd be able to tell who's what if you showed me pictures of each.

If you played against me, you could use one to represent the other without me even noticing.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Besides all of that, there hasn’t been a new Arbites model in two decades. Who knows what they’d look like if they were redone today? Especially since Judge Dredd has lawyers now.

Anyway, what I’m saying is; if you wait long enough, you might get new arbites that might look a lot closer to these guys than their previous incarnations.

I’d be fine with something that looked like this but with more eagles and other fancy things. As an alternative you could just use Warlord’s Dredd miniatures (if I could ever find out where to buy them).

 Mentlegen324 wrote:


There hasn't been a retcon. Arbites were not what the original Necromunda models were, they were also Enforcers. The 4 Adeptus Arbites miniatures looked fairly similar, but there was still a difference between Arbites and Enforcers.

In lore as well, the Arbites don't bother with this sort of thing. It seems quite a lot of people confuse the two and think it's the Arbites that are the typical Law Enforcement for the Hive, for some reason.

My books are in storage in... Belgium I think (long story) but IIRC the original 1995 Necromunda game and the even older RT articles had Arbites as The Law in the Underhive.

The 2004ish Specialist Games guys did a small retcon that they are Enforcers who dress just like Arbites because the Governor likes the look.

For me these guys will find a place in my small Arbites (count as DKK) army as Arbites.




They're cool models, an organization spanning a million worlds will have some variation in equipment, and it ain't like there's another GW-made Arbites set for me to choose.

Anyone who does want an undated verstion of circa 1995 Arbites can check out Anvil, W Miniatures or Mad Robot for some very good substitutes.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
My books are in storage in... Belgium I think (long story) but IIRC the original 1995 Necromunda game and the even older RT articles had Arbites as The Law in the Underhive.

Battles in the Underhive introduced a small Arbites patrol (there was even a WD Bat Rep of them vs some Delaques back in the day).

When specialist became a thing and got the off-casts and test models to use, that's when the Arbites that weren't going to get released became Enforcers.

Some pages are shown from the new Enforcers book in some live streaming session. Even in those few pages, there are multiple examples of sloppy writing and editing.

Stiletto knife is once again listed as having a +1 hit modifier for Estus Jet (Outlaw Hive Scum) fighter card. Is this another unique weapon without an unique name? Is it a stealth update to be applied universally? Or is it the same error repeated? Why would Belladonne have the plain old boring stiletto knife, while the cheap hive scum Estus Jet got an upgraded stiletto knife?

The Throwing Knives are also changed substantially for Outlaw Hive Scum Jonny Razor, Estus Jet, Gaen 'The Gunk Queen' Gorvos: Gains Str S, Am 5+ and loses Silent trait! Stealth update, mistake, or applied universally? Strange choices they made in this book!

Vunder Gorvos (Outlaw Hive Scum) fighter card specifies "2x Gold Plated and Master-crafted stub guns". Ok, so they do specify whether a non-unique weapon name is master-crafted or not? Bye bye master-crafted laspistols for Kal Jericho, his pistols are not actually master-crafted after all then? Even with these gold plated master crafted stub guns, they also gain the Reckless trait for no reason what so ever. Is this another unique weapon with a non-unique name? And they added the Pistol trait to it! Pistol!?! Isn't it Sidearm these days? Damn...

They seem to have degenerated back to Gang War level sloppyness for this new book!

Hmph. Enforcers are STILL not up on New Zealand.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Hmph. Enforcers are STILL not up on New Zealand.

Dude, it's Friday....

Oh right.

Someone is very eagre.

I forget what day it is sometimes too.

I mostly like the enforcers. The helmets? Not so much. What I do like is the visored helmet that was in the art. It feels reminiscent of the old Dredd-inspired helmets (just with a respirator). With individual eyes they just look like small marine helmets.

Looking at the images from the livestream, I really like how they interact with campaigns.

When they take a territory they can Police it to grab Rep(and get more each time they successfully defend it), but don't get any Boons. Or, they can Grant the territory to another gang in the campaign. If at the end of the campaign nobody can claim Dominator because multiple gangs have the same number of territories, the Enforcers win instead with a Peacemaker victory.

Creates a constant incentive for the Enforcers player to act as a balancing force between the other gangs, and also an incentive for backstabby shenanigans when several powerful gangs try to temporarily cripple the Enforcers with assaults on their Precinct and then scramble between themselves to win the campaign before the Enforcers get back on their feet.

I also like the "if you retire one of your injured or dead officers, you get a new Rookie for free" thing, hah.

For real if it wasn't for the wonky-lookin' helmets(and the lack of models with a female - though not, I stress, before the Usuals start their pish, "sexy" proportions - body type), I'd be very hype for this release.

EDIT: Ooh, and a new kind of campaign, Law & Misrule, that's basically old-timey gangster wars in the Underhive as you battle over rackets and criminal enterprises. Cool stuff.

The bars on their shoulders are nice. For a rookie you could do two of them black and the furthest one from their head white. Then for a baseline guy you could do the furthest one gold. Two gold for a veteran (Is that a thing? None of the gangs until now have appealed to me (read: I’m an awful painter and they looked challenging) and I don’t actually play). For the Enforcer Captain you could do all three of them gold like the ones in the promo pictures.

Female model? They'd be given ridiculous pose to remind people of their presense.

If I wasn't out of Skitarii helmets the heads would be less of a problem. The release timing is still pretty bad, though, after awesome BB Woodies, after Warcry, before more Warcry. I literally haven't even opened my Delaque box.

I was looking around for stuff to use as conversion fodder and now I want to get a gang of OG Ratskins. Or at least a couple to turn into a Warcry band or a Kill Team or whatever. Sigh. Why did Oldmunda have to be so cool. The ducking ganger with shotgun and knife from the Orlock vs Goliath batrep between Rick Priestley and...Gav(?) from my first WD ever is more expensive than the leaders on ebay, though :/

Chopstick wrote:
Female model? They'd be given ridiculous pose to remind people of their presense.

This is not Infinity.

How do we know none of those enforcer models are females?

Funny how they refuse to add unique names to weapons that actually have unique stats (Vunder Gorvos' stub guns, stiletto knife, throwing knives), but have no problem adding unique names to weapons that are not!

All new so-called "subjugator grenade launcher" stats are identical to standard grenade launcher. "Enforcer shotgun" is actually just a plain old combat shotgun.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Looking at the images from the livestream, I really like how they interact with campaigns.

When they take a territory they can Police it to grab Rep(and get more each time they successfully defend it), but don't get any Boons. Or, they can Grant the territory to another gang in the campaign. If at the end of the campaign nobody can claim Dominator because multiple gangs have the same number of territories, the Enforcers win instead with a Peacemaker victory.

Creates a constant incentive for the Enforcers player to act as a balancing force between the other gangs, and also an incentive for backstabby shenanigans when several powerful gangs try to temporarily cripple the Enforcers with assaults on their Precinct and then scramble between themselves to win the campaign before the Enforcers get back on their feet.

I also like the "if you retire one of your injured or dead officers, you get a new Rookie for free" thing, hah.

For real if it wasn't for the wonky-lookin' helmets(and the lack of models with a female - though not, I stress, before the Usuals start their pish, "sexy" proportions - body type), I'd be very hype for this release.

EDIT: Ooh, and a new kind of campaign, Law & Misrule, that's basically old-timey gangster wars in the Underhive as you battle over rackets and criminal enterprises. Cool stuff.

Defo a must-have book I think. Cheers for the write up!

At first glance, the new campaign looks identical to Dominion campaign, replacing "Territories" with "Rackets".

 Yodhrin wrote:

When they take a territory they can Police it to grab Rep(and get more each time they successfully defend it), but don't get any Boons. Or, they can Grant the territory to another gang in the campaign. If at the end of the campaign nobody can claim Dominator because multiple gangs have the same number of territories, the Enforcers win instead with a Peacemaker victory.

Creates a constant incentive for the Enforcers player to act as a balancing force between the other gangs, and also an incentive for backstabby shenanigans when several powerful gangs try to temporarily cripple the Enforcers with assaults on their Precinct and then scramble between themselves to win the campaign before the Enforcers get back on their feet.

Yeah it looks fluffy, but the Peacemaker victory has no real game effects, no bonuses to splinter gangs etc. And keep in mind, the only reason they added Triumphs (and a time-limited campaign) is because they couldn't bother preventing gangs from spiralling out of control. Their solution is simply to stop the game before it spirals too badly.

The enforcers have a lot of unique weapon options. Instead of having the standard grenade launcher, they have the subjugator grenade launcher (frag, stun) as a Basic weapon (instead of Special weapon) and the assault ram (heavy weapon, takes up 2 weapon slots). The assault ram consists of 2 weapons with a total of 3 weapon profiles! 1) Assault ram (versatile close combat weapon) 2) auxiliary grenade launcher (frag, choke gas). The Enforcers have multiple ammo ugprades for the grenade launcher: choke gas, krak, photon flash, scare gas, smoke. Too bad they don't have a "grenade launcher", none of these ammo upgrades can be used. Or are they intended for the subjugator grenade launcher? The assault ram's grenade launcher component? Both? Who knows! Sloppy writing in this book.

 Hawky wrote:
How do we know none of those enforcer models are females?

Because they all have exactly the same stature and proportions? I'm not after cheesecake, but a subtle reduction in height and alteration of the hip-to-waist ratio and size of the feet would be good - not every tough female has to be a Gwendoline Christie lookalike.

Baxx wrote:
At first glance, the new campaign looks identical to Dominion campaign, replacing "Territories" with "Rackets".

 Yodhrin wrote:

When they take a territory they can Police it to grab Rep(and get more each time they successfully defend it), but don't get any Boons. Or, they can Grant the territory to another gang in the campaign. If at the end of the campaign nobody can claim Dominator because multiple gangs have the same number of territories, the Enforcers win instead with a Peacemaker victory.

Creates a constant incentive for the Enforcers player to act as a balancing force between the other gangs, and also an incentive for backstabby shenanigans when several powerful gangs try to temporarily cripple the Enforcers with assaults on their Precinct and then scramble between themselves to win the campaign before the Enforcers get back on their feet.

Yeah it looks fluffy, but the Peacemaker victory has no real game effects, no bonuses to splinter gangs etc. And keep in mind, the only reason they added Triumphs (and a time-limited campaign) is because they couldn't bother preventing gangs from spiralling out of control. Their solution is simply to stop the game before it spirals too badly.

Meh, there are already a couple of fan-made "perpetual campaign" systems out there that basically function as a greatest hits of the N17, N18, and classic game campaigns, they'll do me fine until SGS decide to actually bother making one themselves that works. I'm mostly just impressed they've managed to add the Cops faction to the game without utterly ruining it unless only the Arbitrator is allowed to use them and then only for slapdowns on runaway successes(which did happen under the old system as well, just a bit less frequently).

Peacemaker doesn't have any effects listed on the pages that have been shown up to this point, but even if it doesn't have any at all, does it need to? Enforcers look to be pretty solid even as a fresh warband, giving them carry-over bonuses may well push them over the edge into OP.

 Crimson wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Female model? They'd be given ridiculous pose to remind people of their presense.

This is not Infinity.

I did not make any Infinity reference, The "female" in Van saar and Delaque both have ridiculous pose that make them stand out amongs their peer. They just simply won't make a simple neutral standing pose for female.

"Kit Focus" for the Enforcers


Surprised they didn't show these in any of the photos.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Someone is very eagre.

someone has a 100+ model Arbites Army and founded an Arbites FB group.

So... yes.

And that's it confirmed then; the dastardly FW Painter strikes again, the helmets look fine.




Seriously, I do not understand why FW don't just say to this guy "look, you have a very nice personal style, but we're trying to flog plastic crack here so tone it down and stop painting away half the detail that's on the minis eh?".

Eeeh. They still aren’t as good as the visored helmets from the illustrations.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Eeeh. They still aren’t as good as the visored helmets from the illustrations.

Mad Robot, Anvil... lots of options out thwre

Chopstick wrote:
Female model? They'd be given ridiculous pose to remind people of their presense.

Pretty happy with the kit, wish there was a grenade launcher but most of the basics are covered well. Only real bummer is only one unique bare head, was hoping for at least two. And i'm also relieved to read that the kit includes a transfer sheet, so no need to freehand those skull eagles on the chest.