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the start collecting boxes are listed at 95, which is the new USD price, so yeah 290 is likely the USD price for the Necromunda set.

OUCH. Going from starter boxes being like 160 to 170 to suddenly 290... there better be a lot more in that box than they've showed off.

And to be fair, there might be. If they throw in the core rulebook for Necromunda on top of a bunch of other things, then I could see it getting up there. As is, with two boxes of dudes (which should be 50-60 bucks each) and some terrain (which could be 100), that still only gets you to 200. What the heck has the price jacked up so high?

Yeah, that’s a ridiculous price if true. Maybe I won’t be getting it for Christmas.

drbored wrote:
the start collecting boxes are listed at 95, which is the new USD price, so yeah 290 is likely the USD price for the Necromunda set.

OUCH. Going from starter boxes being like 160 to 170 to suddenly 290... there better be a lot more in that box than they've showed off.

And to be fair, there might be. If they throw in the core rulebook for Necromunda on top of a bunch of other things, then I could see it getting up there. As is, with two boxes of dudes (which should be 50-60 bucks each) and some terrain (which could be 100), that still only gets you to 200. What the heck has the price jacked up so high?

Insanity? Greed? Stupidity? Contempt?

Seriously though, GW is jacking the price up on everything between 15%-20% across the board (and if this $290 is true, it's a 120% increase over the last Necromunda box, two years ago). The things that aren't going up in price look to be the things that GW outsources to other manufacturers - books, dice, cards, decals. I don't know what new pricing policy they have in place at the moment, but as far as consumers are concerned, it's impossible to predict what they will charge for things these days.

So you can't look at it and go, that's $100 worth of terrain. That's $100 worth of terrain six months ago. Ever since Blood of the Phoenix went full removed, all bets are off. Personally, I just think that GW is tired of having customers.

I don't think the price is a big deal, since GW will likely pull a GW and only make 5,000 copies or some incredibly insufficient amount.

However, if the box is $275-300...and that's a "discount" on the contents of the box, pepper your angus.for the real boxes. I don't think an astronomical price is any surprise given the hilarity that is the Phoenix Rising boxed set, etc.

I do chuckle though, at the thought of a teenager (or slightly younger kid) or even someone in their 20's wandering into the GW store for the first time, and looking at boxed game, and getting the normal GW sales spiel. How does an employee say "You can start here with the starter box for only $285..." with a straight face?

drbored wrote:
the start collecting boxes are listed at 95, which is the new USD price, so yeah 290 is likely the USD price for the Necromunda set.

OUCH. Going from starter boxes being like 160 to 170 to suddenly 290... there better be a lot more in that box than they've showed off.

And to be fair, there might be. If they throw in the core rulebook for Necromunda on top of a bunch of other things, then I could see it getting up there. As is, with two boxes of dudes (which should be 50-60 bucks each) and some terrain (which could be 100), that still only gets you to 200. What the heck has the price jacked up so high?

There isn't one "set" price for Start Collectings anymore, as a note.

They range from $85 to $90 to $95 to $100(only the Anvilgard and Greywater Fastness sets are at this price point).
It seems like the intention, currently, is that there's around a $35 to $50 savings built in. I've done the math on a few of them as of the time on this post(Ogres are $35 savings, Sylvaneth are $37, Space Wolves non-Primaris set is $34.5, Drukhari is the highest so far with $45) after I set the filter to go by Lowest to Highest.

I'll make a post somewhere with the numbers, if enough people ask for it?

Making the SC! boxes more expensive was probably the worst move to catch new players GW has done in the past 3 years.

The "Well make kits more expensive going forward to avoid making sweeping price increases" was moot when they did a price increase for nearly everything a couple of months ago.

 Galas wrote:
Making the SC! boxes more expensive was probably the worst move to catch new players GW has done in the past 3 years.

The "Well make kits more expensive going forward to avoid making sweeping price increases" was moot when they did a price increase for nearly everything a couple of months ago.

GW's statement to investors states they are a margin focused business, meaning they have more interest in growing margin than growing revenue or growing customer base. If a product costs GW $100 to make, they would rather sell 1000 of them for $300 each than 10,000 of them for $200 each... atleast that what they say, and it sure seems to be the case.

 Kanluwen wrote:
$100(only the Anvilgard and Greywater Fastness sets are at this price point).

Well of course they are. They're the most recent ones, so their price is higher than the rest.

GW increases the prices with each release, but doesn't retroactively increase the prices on the stuff that came out the week before.

And if it is that much in the US, then it'll be closer to $400 here. Great.

Except the price listed for the two purportedly Shadowspear based sets is $95...

I don't think that list posted is real, but if it is the prices appear to be USD, as dice are 15, the Slaves Battletome is 40, start collecting and battleforces are pretty par for course.

That all said, if the new Necromunda set is 290 the level of greed (and unrestrained impulsive greed) at GW is insane. They just released the Warcry starter two months ago for 175 and that has just as much stuff.

Yeah no one at my shop is going to take the dive into the game at that price. Especially as there is no existing playerbase locally. It's too much of a gamble, same reason why people didn't get the grand master edition for AT. I'll probably be passing on the box as well. Might get one of the gangs or book separate though.

Agreed Thargrim, no one I know will pick it up at that price. It's a shame because I like both the gangs and the terrain quite a bit. If I can find another use for those enforcers I'll pick some up if they aren't insanely expensive as this (likely fake) price suggests.

Was having a discussion with local GW employee regarding Blood of the Phoenix box price and overall public response to it. He couldn't comprehend how it was not seen as an absolute bargain. I don't get it. It's not about the total cost of the contents of the box, it's simply about value. I found no value in the box, despite wanting Jain Zar and the Banshees, and I certainly won't pay $55 for 5 banshees or $45 for jain Zar either (ebay).

Just don't need any box priced over $200 for plastic toys.

Well, that price might be tolerable if the gang was made full of options and extra bits, like the good old time. not these compact, minimalist kit with barely enough options for the team.

And the worst of some of these kit is the Enforcer patrol, who got plenty of space left on the sprue, was filled with filler bits like kneeling legs , flashlight stubgun, holster pistol just so you will have to buy the FW kit for the bare-minimum autopistol hand.

I'm sure the Subjucator and Corpse grinder cult is at the same vein too once I got to see the sprue.

At least the subjugators ended up in plastic, I really thought they would be all resin upgrades for the regular palatine sculpts. Still wondering what happened to the phyrr cats, and why they seem to be making no effort to release the unique house specific units like the stig shambler. If they really are that understaffed I shudder to think what might happen if they spread themselves even more thin by releasing BFG or some other reboots.

 Thargrim wrote:
At least the subjugators ended up in plastic, I really thought they would be all resin upgrades for the regular palatine sculpts. Still wondering what happened to the phyrr cats, and why they seem to be making no effort to release the unique house specific units like the stig shambler. If they really are that understaffed I shudder to think what might happen if they spread themselves even more thin by releasing BFG or some other reboots.

I'm also confused by this, if they can't keep up with BB and Necromunda, it seems strange to expand to Titanicus and Aeronautica. At least wait until those first two games were caught up.

 bullyboy wrote:
Was having a discussion with local GW employee regarding Blood of the Phoenix box price and overall public response to it. He couldn't comprehend how it was not seen as an absolute bargain. I don't get it. It's not about the total cost of the contents of the box, it's simply about value. I found no value in the box, despite wanting Jain Zar and the Banshees, and I certainly won't pay $55 for 5 banshees or $45 for jain Zar either (ebay).

Just don't need any box priced over $200 for plastic toys.

This is sorta just weird, at a point the extra products just become a negative to the value if they raise the price up to much. And these box sets GW are doing are just becoming too much for what you get. They cannot be counting on lots of new players coming in on 300+ $ products here, So i think its probably more a reliance on whales for these sort of things.

290.00 if true, is FULL slow. There is no rationalizing that price tag.

 bullyboy wrote:
Was having a discussion with local GW employee regarding Blood of the Phoenix box price and overall public response to it. He couldn't comprehend how it was not seen as an absolute bargain. I don't get it.

You were debating price with a local GW employee.

They don't pay well, so I doubt he had much of a background in economics, and even if he didn't like it, if he wants to keep his job, its his job to say the price is reasonable and people should buy it.

There's a lot of GW pricing that doesn't make sense. For example, the Start Collecting Fireslayers is the same price as the Magma lizard it contains.

Also at the other end, we have Blackstone fortress. The expansions for which are way overpriced, but the new Cultists are 8 for $25, which is extraordinarily reasonable by GW standards. Its almost like a random number generator is involved.
I wouldn't expect anyone to understand their pricing decisions, let alone a store clerk.

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Was having a discussion with local GW employee regarding Blood of the Phoenix box price and overall public response to it. He couldn't comprehend how it was not seen as an absolute bargain. I don't get it.

You were debating price with a local GW employee.

They don't pay well, so I doubt he had much of a background in economics, and even if he didn't like it, if he wants to keep his job, its his job to say the price is reasonable and people should buy it.

There's a lot of GW pricing that doesn't make sense. For example, the Start Collecting Fireslayers is the same price as the Magma lizard it contains.

Also at the other end, we have Blackstone fortress. The expansions for which are way overpriced, but the new Cultists are 8 for $25, which is extraordinarily reasonable by GW standards. Its almost like a random number generator is involved.
I wouldn't expect anyone to understand their pricing decisions, let alone a store clerk.

The Start Collecting Fyreslayers is actually cheaper than the Magmadron was, you just can’t buy the magmadron on it’s own now.

Chopstick wrote:And the worst of some of these kit is the Enforcer patrol, who got plenty of space left on the sprue, was filled with filler bits like kneeling legs , flashlight stubgun, holster pistol just so you will have to buy the FW kit for the bare-minimum autopistol hand.

The pair of hands holding the torch under the gun is probably my favourite part of the entire kit, and having kneeling legs as an option was great too I thought - more interesting than having all just standing around, but being optional you aren't forced to have 20% of your models crouching down either (looking at you, Van Saar model standing with one leg on that box). Don't get me wrong; I hate their sales tactics of splitting various weapons over the plastic and resin packs, but I do have to say that in this instance, I rather like some of those bits they did put in.

Thargrim wrote:At least the subjugators ended up in plastic, I really thought they would be all resin upgrades for the regular palatine sculpts. Still wondering what happened to the phyrr cats, and why they seem to be making no effort to release the unique house specific units like the stig shambler. If they really are that understaffed I shudder to think what might happen if they spread themselves even more thin by releasing BFG or some other reboots.

Equally surprised by the plastic subjugators - would have preferred to have "my gang" get a second plastic sprue of course, but at least they're making them. The resin releases sure are a mess though. Pets, brutes, hired guns and all those guilds are still awaiting their models - and it has been said time and again that they would get models. Instead, they seem more interested in releasing a new book with rules for new unreleased miniatures every few months.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

Chopstick wrote:And the worst of some of these kit is the Enforcer patrol, who got plenty of space left on the sprue, was filled with filler bits like kneeling legs , flashlight stubgun, holster pistol just so you will have to buy the FW kit for the bare-minimum autopistol hand.

The pair of hands holding the torch under the gun is probably my favourite part of the entire kit, and having kneeling legs as an option was great too I thought - more interesting than having all just standing around, but being optional you aren't forced to have 20% of your models crouching down either (looking at you, Van Saar model standing with one leg on that box). Don't get me wrong; I hate their sales tactics of splitting various weapons over the plastic and resin packs, but I do have to say that in this instance, I rather like some of those bits they did put in.

I'd like to hear how you defense the decision to also include 6 holstered autopistol instead of 1 single autopistol hand. The intention is clear, kneeling legs, flash light stub gun, holster pistols are there to fill the space, they are there so the more useful bits go into the resin pack instead.

Actually kneeling legs and flash light pose for the worst weapon in the game should've been resin pack.

There should be a decent spread of in-use and holstered weapons on all the sprues. Sadly they continue to make baffling decisions like the Delaque sniper being slung on his back only, or virtually no holstered pistols.

Chopstick wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

Chopstick wrote:And the worst of some of these kit is the Enforcer patrol, who got plenty of space left on the sprue, was filled with filler bits like kneeling legs , flashlight stubgun, holster pistol just so you will have to buy the FW kit for the bare-minimum autopistol hand.

The pair of hands holding the torch under the gun is probably my favourite part of the entire kit, and having kneeling legs as an option was great too I thought - more interesting than having all just standing around, but being optional you aren't forced to have 20% of your models crouching down either (looking at you, Van Saar model standing with one leg on that box). Don't get me wrong; I hate their sales tactics of splitting various weapons over the plastic and resin packs, but I do have to say that in this instance, I rather like some of those bits they did put in.

I'd like to hear how you defense the decision to also include 6 holstered autopistol instead of 1 single autopistol hand.

There's a reason I said I liked some of the bits they put in.
I'm not "defending" anything.

 Thargrim wrote:
same reason why people didn't get the grand master edition for AT..

You know right the box sold out fast and gw even doubled back on their words and reprinted it despite initially supposed to be one off release?

tneva82 wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
same reason why people didn't get the grand master edition for AT..

You know right the box sold out fast and gw even doubled back on their words and reprinted it despite initially supposed to be one off release?

Direct from GW yes. My FGLS got 6 copies of the Grandmaster in. They sold one to a guy who just really wanted to paint the minis. The other five sat on the shelves until they were eventually discounted to 30-40% off and sold. The huge game store near me had copies 6 months after release. No store that I know off in my metro has ever hosted an event, and I have never seen anyone purchase anything for the game or play it. There obviously was a market for it (I'm guessing the U.K. and Europe mostly) but the game did not have the widespread appeal of KT or Warcry when it came out. Their was also a very limited number of boxes for the game as FW did not think it would sell that well.

Lots of people who are buying those boxes are Titan owner dude who won't mind spending thousand to get 3,4 box at a time. Not your average dude gamers. That box is terrible for a single player who want to start AT, let alone 2 players like it suggested. Should've made 1 reaver + 2 warhound per side instead of that.

Whoever at GW decide to make the warlord plastic kit first is dumb as brick.

Oh well, box still sold out, so no one care. Good decision.

Apple fox wrote:
Buff khorne dudes with axes. And a surprisingly good forge for crazy dudes.

On a side note, the armour design looks really similar to BSF flamer dude. Is there supposed to be a connection (even weak one, like Chaos making armour that shape because reason X) or is just that the same designer made both?

 Galas wrote:
Making the SC! boxes more expensive was probably the worst move to catch new players GW has done in the past 3 years.

The "Well make kits more expensive going forward to avoid making sweeping price increases" was moot when they did a price increase for nearly everything a couple of months ago.

Yeah, I don't get it. Not making SC for new factions like Primaris or GSC for years (when it's shiny new army you want to see adopted widely...) and raising the prices to levels sounds like they desperately want to go back to 2012. Even the production bottleneck is not really an excuse, what they are going to do when the new factory is online? Lower the prices or watch it make all the kits no one buys due to sticker shock?

If this box is 290 I will likely be joining Sqorgar in leaving behind GW as a customer. Especially if the Sisters box is of a similar price increase. If I wanted to pay that much money for something that will *hopefully get to see use, I will buy my wife a Nintendo Switch. At least then we can play games together.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Making the SC! boxes more expensive was probably the worst move to catch new players GW has done in the past 3 years.

The "Well make kits more expensive going forward to avoid making sweeping price increases" was moot when they did a price increase for nearly everything a couple of months ago.

GW's statement to investors states they are a margin focused business, meaning they have more interest in growing margin than growing revenue or growing customer base. If a product costs GW $100 to make, they would rather sell 1000 of them for $300 each than 10,000 of them for $200 each... atleast that what they say, and it sure seems to be the case.

GW have always been margin focused from the point Kirby took over, I interviewed with GW over a decade ago and spoke to there head of retail and sales and even then they were very proud of the fact that nothing in a GW’s store had a margin of less than 70% and most stuff was considerably higher. Obviously the Kirby years cannibalised sales to maintain/increase margin to the point that there sales were abysmal and was in the start of a death spiral, now however nu-GW has pulled out of the spiral and massively increased sales or as I like to think of it restocked the fridge.

GW have warehousing issues, manufacturing issues, infrastructure issues and have discovered that having lots of customers is way too much like work and costs more, now the fridge is restocked they can go back to increasing prices and decreasing costs and improving margins by selling less for more and cannibalising sales again it took them well over a 15yrs last time before they started to have issues so they likely think they have time especially now they have a fb page

They will likely keep turning the heat up on the frogs sorry I mean increasing prices until they reach what they believe is a maintainable ratio unless they just go full Kirby of course and go for maximum profitability at the cost of sustainability I mean nobody on the board is exactly a spring chicken.