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ecurtz wrote:
Yikes. I agree that's what the wording sounds like, but how can that terrain possibly fill 15 sprues? The Sector Mechanicus kits are 4 or 5 each.

Because this terrain is made from boxes and a box takes up literally 6 times as much sprue space as a flat panel.

puree wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
The starter set does not include the plastic floor tiles.

They're just charging $290 for what previously would have been $160.

It seems a stretch to class it as a starter set, but I can't think of a starter set or otherwise that had that much in for £100 or less. Shadow war only had 8 terrain sprues from what I remember.

Its funny, in some ways reading the 'Coming Soon' article, I felt like I was reading product description of a terrain box that just happened to have a couple gangs in it. As some sort of bonus.

ecurtz wrote:
Yikes. I agree that's what the wording sounds like, but how can that terrain possibly fill 15 sprues? The Sector Mechanicus kits are 4 or 5 each.

Sprues can sometimes be quite small.

I forsee a lot of repeated small sprues.

And we still have no idea how many plastic floors are in that tile box.

I keep seeing $290 thrown around (US I assume), where is this price coming from?

Necromunda terrain sprue (from Twitch):

 BroodSpawn wrote:
I keep seeing $290 thrown around (US I assume), where is this price coming from?

There was a massive leak of the release schedule from an independent retailer.

 Starfarer wrote:
So the rumors were all true and we're looking at a $290 starter set for a GW release.

Well I think that just put the dagger in my desire to keep up with the Necromunda releases any longer. 5 or 10 years ago everything they've done with Necromunda would have been my dream scenario, but we're now 2 years in and I play so infrequently I literally can't get a game in with the current rules before new stuff is out. I've still bought it all to support Specialist Games hoping I'd one day just have everything to run any kind of campaign I wanted. Unfortunately it's simply just easier to stick with Kill Team and not worry about stuff being invalidated or having to buy a new book for each faction.

Hopefully the Zone Mortalis stuff will be available separately, but this starter set is literally twice the cost of the original Kill Team set with comparable terrain, rules and only slightly more models.

I agree I can't pay that price. I was going to be in if it was under 200. This is rediculous for what you are getting. A good idea but at 290 i don't think they will get too many new players buying it at about the cost of a video gaming system or a 3d printer that could make most of it.

Secondhand, Lets hope the scalpers don't bend us over the table. But 290.00, that's not going to work, even on my Lottery Winnings.

If anything, I hope that they sell the gangs and terrain on their own, and I can just up and bet the books off Fee Bey for a portion of that price.

Is there any word on Juves, or the Special characters still outstanding from the last couple of books?

angel of death 007 wrote:

I agree I can't pay that price. I was going to be in if it was under 200. This is rediculous for what you are getting. A good idea but at 290 i don't think they will get too many new players buying it at about the cost of a video gaming system or a 3d printer that could make most of it.

Its certainly a weird price. If I see something for $299, I tend to think its a holiday sale for a piece of electronics that's normally $500 and is probably really worth $250 or maybe $300.

To start at $290, it comes across as a bizarrely artificial number- most prices have psychological studies and performance records attached to them. It entirely feels like GW is intentionally testing to see how far they can push prices until people push back. Especially since the material cost of my lunch today was probably higher than the material cost of the plastic goop that was poured into the moulds.

If they really feel that they had to push the price this high, they should've put less in the box and gone for a lower price point. Cut the gangs down to standard size (especially with all the duplicates anyway), leave out a few pipes and walls or whatever, and sell it for $199. I'd put good odds on a better reception.

Voss wrote:
It entirely feels like GW is intentionally testing to see how far they can push prices until people push back.

I wish they wouldn't do that on something niche, like Necromunda, which might see a push back as a lack of support from players... but that's not going to stop me from pushing back. $290 is really beyond the point of being polite.

$290?

LOL they can kiss the entirety of my backside.

I'll just be buying the book, and maybe when that terrain is for sale outside the box, I'll pick it up. No need to pay nearly $300 for 2 gangs I've got no interest in using (especially when Artel W makes better enforcers).

Yeah. 290 usd is a joke. And not a very funny one. Shame they’re going to shoot their own toes off with this one.

Dread Master wrote:
Yeah. 290 usd is a joke. And not a very funny one. Shame they’re going to shoot their own toes off with this one.

At best- and I mean, if you're lucky... you could find 2 people who really want those two factions and would pay $60 for 15 miniatures. And then you're still paying 170 bucks for a small amount of terrain, a folding poster "board" that'll get thrown in the trash, some dice that you probably don't need, cards that are probably already filled out like the first boxed set, and that's it.

At most the terrain will be in various size boxes, ranging from $50-$100. And the new book should run about $60.00. So you can probably get 2.5 times the terrain and the full rulebook for the price of this boxed set.

So unless you're into both of these factions and don't already have Enforcers, you'd be a fool to buy this instead of waiting to get the books and terrain separately.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I guess I'm a fool. I own zero Necromunda items(other than some old Enforcers in metal).

It looks like there's a lot of scenery in there, and Necromunda seems like a game that benefits from scenery.
And the Enforcers are so damn cool.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I guess I'm a fool. I own zero Necromunda items(other than some old Enforcers in metal).

It looks like there's a lot of scenery in there, and Necromunda seems like a game that benefits from scenery.
And the Enforcers are so damn cool.

They are a cool kit, even the ones available right now. If you don't own them, then it's not a stupid purchase.

You're basically getting 15 enforcers with what seems like a few more of their weapon upgrades- I'll say that's about a $60.00 value, give or take- considering a box of 10 is $40.
So you'll get them, and you'll get a set of dice- which will run about $15.00 for the faction dice, but the generic ones are just fine. Cards an all, eh...even if the ones in the box are all filled out, you can actually get better ones online for free.

So you're looking at a ~$75.00 value for the minis and dice alone. Now, find a buddy to throw you $60.00 for the Corpse Grinders- and since we know nothing about them at this point, that's a hard sell. Might wanna find a friend that plays Khorne armies and convince him they can be some kind of berserkers or something. Or maybe Marauders for Lost & Damned, with a little conversion work (should be easy based on their size). And maybe you'll get lucky and be able to sell him the other set of dice, roughly a $15.00 value.

So knocking 75 bucks off if you find that friend willing to go in with you, you're paying 205 bucks on your own, and minus your Enforcers and dice the rest of the contents are $140.00.

Now, it says it comes with a rulebook- and I doubt it'll be the hardback rulebook, so I'll say it's a $40.00 value. And it's got the core rules for your gangs in there, which will help you start out.

So, that means that the little poster play mat, the terrain, that little ruler, and templates are a $100.00 value. Okay, sure... mmmmaybe. For me, that box contains on thing I'd use and that's the terrain and maybe the red/black dice. And you'll have to work REALLY hard to convince me that I'm looking at over $70.00 worth of terrain. Especially since there's companies that make zone mortalis terrain for a LOT cheaper, and you get a LOT more. The included terrain looks like 2 solid walls, 2 doors, about 6-8 pillar/corner wall parts, and some stairs and walkways.

IMHO, if the box calls to you, then buy it. But it's a little steep for anyone who's already invested. We might not be the target customer here, but then again... even the 'new player' is going to struggle with that price. It's probably easier to acquire the items separately over time.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I guess I'm a fool. I own zero Necromunda items(other than some old Enforcers in metal).

It looks like there's a lot of scenery in there, and Necromunda seems like a game that benefits from scenery.
And the Enforcers are so damn cool.

There are value in that set, but for the average impulse-buying customer, those price aren't very tempting,

As this and the Phoenix Eldar boxes were being introduce, there were peals of Kirby laughter ala Palpatine in the new Star Wars trailers echoed down the halls in Nottingham

Chopstick wrote:

There are value in that set, but for the average impulse-buying customer, those price aren't very tempting,

My understanding is that Necromunda is one of the "splash release" games, where they tend to only show up week of releases. Is that not the case?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

There are value in that set, but for the average impulse-buying customer, those price aren't very tempting,

My understanding is that Necromunda is one of the "splash release" games, where they tend to only show up week of releases. Is that not the case?

What do you mean? Necromunda along with other specialist game will have release every quarter, with teaser 1-3 months before release. The bigger game like AT or AI will have a faster release initially but after the that they'll be back to quarterly release like the rest.

It wasn't for N17, the box that released in 2017. In fact, it's still available on their webpage---complete with outdated core rulebook and all.

Along with the two hard cover books (Core and Gangs (both needed for play btw)) that replaced the starter's book and a year's worth of quarterly rule supplement releases

Almost a year's worth of quarterly updates.

Some of the things in the Gang War books remain only in the Gang War books.

Well, I guess I'll just keep printing walls then. Nevermind.

I'm hoping this box is a run like the other starter box, and I can just pick it up in six months when I have the money for it. Sorry GW the sisters release took all my money this month.

4 tiles per box confirmed (so 2x2, as predicted by some, it would seem).

Again, apologies if the pic doesn't work, but we have UK prices:



That's £175 for the new box. Closest thing I can find on the UK site to that is the Cauldron Guard "bundle" for Daughters of Khaine. It's £170. The same "bundle" on the Oz website is $369, so we're looking at easily $380 for this one box.

If the mods don't mind too much, I can link to some online stores in Oz that sell lube?

Ooof.

And indeed - crikey. That's a pricey meat-a-ball.

However, I have decided to sell my AT stuff (never gonna get a game in), so may have the fund to buy it through Element, my preferred online discounter.

I mean, the price tag is hefty, but given the mental volume of contents, I can't say it feels like a rip off in terms of UK prices (other prices and opinions upon are available, and likely very different).

The Titanicus GM box sold very well at this price. IDK if they'll have the same success here, the two games are very different beasts and many of the Necromunda buyers will have already bought elements of this box separately whereas everything in AT was new.

175pounds...
Dayam.

Sisters and/or this box... eek.
Maybe I need some more terrain.

The upside is the number of models for each Gang exceed what I'd expect for a starting Gang, so they allow for expansion.

Here, the only thing not completely new are the basic Enforcer models. Subjugators and Cultists are 100% new. ZM in plastic is of course new - but a rework of a previously resin thing,

Given the terrain is suitable for three systems (40k, HH and Necromunda) it's got an inherently wider appeal than AT (which is still a fine game) so may get decent sales figures.

Just wish we knew when the ZM walls and that were being released.


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Hmmm...provided it's the same 15% discount as the existing Necromunda set, it's a considerably more palatable £148.75 from Element, with loadsa Crystals.

Now to raise the funds....

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The upside is the number of models for each Gang exceed what I'd expect for a starting Gang, so they allow for expansion.

Here, the only thing not completely new are the basic Enforcer models. Subjugators and Cultists are 100% new. ZM in plastic is of course new - but a rework of a previously resin thing,

Given the terrain is suitable for three systems (40k, HH and Necromunda) it's got an inherently wider appeal than AT (which is still a fine game) so may get decent sales figures.

Just wish we knew when the ZM walls and that were being released.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hmmm...provided it's the same 15% discount as the existing Necromunda set, it's a considerably more palatable £148.75 from Element, with loadsa Crystals.

Now to raise the funds....

Isn't there some sort of rulebook here that many existing players don't want (and will stick to the older rules they've bought, which as I understand it is many books and supplements), or is all the rules stuff here new to this set?

Definitely a bit of sticker shock with this. It is a touch cheaper than the titanicus grand master edition. Here in Japan it will be ¥42,000 which is the equivalent of £299!