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Looks good, might hold off on this until christmas though. I've already commited to shadespire and the extra expansions for that.

Also unsure about the rules for this game, not sure my friends or anyone else I know would be willing to play this. As soon as they look at those stat cards full of numbers everywhere they'll just seize up and say hell no. I can see the steam pouring out of their ears already. The models look good no problems there. Looking back on things I shouldn't have bought dark imperium, probably wouldn't have had this been announced back when 8th dropped.

Possible the original models might show up in the 'made to order' line?

I think I will be on the lookout for alt sculpt Kickstarters if not.

Voss wrote:
As for obviously unpleasant? The return of templates, scatter dice and firepower dice. The injury dice don't inspire much confidence either, nor does the vision arc template or the tactics cards (which since a lot are gang based, look like more pointless add-ons to sell for the rest of the gangs).

What's wrong with templates and scatter dice? The injury dice are literally just a D6 with 1 flesh wound, 1 out of action and 4 downs. Vision arcs are a simple visual way of doing firing arcs that the original game already had.

Voss wrote:
It obviously isn't a complete game, given they have another book to sell almost immediately, with rules intentionally separated from the rest. You can call one a board game and the other a campaign skirmish game if you really want to, but to most looking play Necromunda, it's one game cut up into separate products for extra cash.

This is a messy release that seems aimed at minimizing product into as many discrete packages as possible to weasel more sales.

Nonsense. It is a complete game. As was stated in the recently-closed Necromunda thread, it's on board tiles because producing a fully 3D boxed game would have been prohibitively expensive. It's a compromise.

I'm not particularly excited. Then again, I never played Necromunda. I guess the gang fighting theme just didn't really appeal to me much, and it still doesn't.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I just remembered that Sly Marbo was axed from the Imperial Guard codex. Can we extrapolate from this occurence that Mad Donna will not see the light of day in the next edition of Necromunda?

Did they get rid of star players in Blood Bowl? I'm dreading buying hired guns from Forge World...but would love to see a new Mad Donna in the style of new Escher.

In other news I think I'll skip Shadespire and know what I'll be getting for Xmas.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I just remembered that Sly Marbo was axed from the Imperial Guard codex. Can we extrapolate from this occurence that Mad Donna will not see the light of day in the next edition of Necromunda?

Did they get rid of star players in Blood Bowl? I'm dreading buying hired guns from Forge World...but would love to see a new Mad Donna in the style of new Escher.

In other news I think I'll skip Shadespire and know what I'll be getting for Xmas.

The special characters Sly Marbo and Mad Donna are derived from actual people (Sylvester Stallone & Madonna). They were conceived when the game designers were allowed to have a sense of humour. In this regard they differ in a profound manner from characters like Col. Straken or the Redeemer which are wholly fictitious. I don´t own the new Deathzone supplement for Blood Bowl but in the past there was a "Buffy" (Sarah Michelle Gellar) character playing for the Human team. If this "Buffy" character does not appear in the new edition it is almost a given that GW will not produce a new Mad Donna.

Ahh - separate vision markers for Esher and Goliath because they are on different size bases. Of course....

It sounds like starting gangs maybe differentiated a bit more than in the old rules based on my reading of the website.

 Strg Alt wrote:
The special characters Sly Marbo and Mad Donna are derived from actual people (Sylvester Stallone & Madonna). They were conceived when the game designers were allowed to have a sense of humour. In this regard they differ in a profound manner from characters like Col. Straken or the Redeemer which are wholly fictitious. I don´t own the new Deathzone supplement for Blood Bowl but in the past there was a "Buffy" (Sarah Michelle Gellar) character playing for the Human team. If this "Buffy" character does not appear in the new edition it is almost a given that GW will not produce a new Mad Donna.

From this website:
"It is worth pointing out that Andy Hoare has said that Zara will not get a reprint in the new Blood Bowl rules because she really does not fit in with the fluff of the game."

There is a comment about Zara being based on Buffy. Now the above statement could be covering their butts, but they did bring out rules for Sly Marbo in SWA, so... And D'onne Ulanti, while stealing Jean-Paul Gauthier's bustier, still fits into Necromunda. They of course doesn't mean they'll make a new model for her.

Manage to get rid of the last of my Kingdom Death stuff for this, it looks great! Suspiciously high production values from a marketing perspective for Games Workshop... what has the world come to!?

Can't wait to get the box and the book

Time to get my old Orlock gang - The Bolter Boys - out of retirement and back into the thick of it!

Some things never change though - Bolters are still 6+ ammo rolls

 Dr. Mills wrote:
Time to get my old Orlock gang - The Bolter Boys - out of retirement and back into the thick of it!

Some things never change though - Bolters are still 6+ ammo rolls

Well yeah, they’re miniature rockets with electronic detonators - that’s pretty hard to make work even when you have proper manufacturing and storage, never mind bootleg black-market knockoffs and factory seconds that have changed hands and been (inexpertly) ‘inspected’ a dozen times before reaching the gangs… who promptly used the crate to prop up the leaking sump tank.
Really, it’s a miracle the things fire at all, far less work as advertised.

That said, I’m actually pretty happy to her that the Great Houses are being fleshed out and the gangs are being put in more direct contact with their parent organisations - makes having gear like bolters and needlers less ridiculous overall.

Hah, I love that the goliaths are being listed as essentially abhumans in their fluff. That's awesome and works great with their model design. I love their looks too.

The Escher I'm not sold on, but I think its their paint job that's mostly throwing me off. Just something odd about it.

Now if only I didn't suck at painting human skin.

The thing with the painting is that it’s all done by Forge World/Specialist Games’ new guy who is all about point highlighting and shading; that is, they are painted to look like they are lit from above in a hyper-real style that paints in the shadows as they would appear if lit from that angle. It’s sort of like applying azimuthal highlights or OSL to each muscle and armour plate individually.
It looks great in the tabletop shots and probably in person too, but in a studio-shot photo with no background shading to cue you in it just looks weird.

So day 1 even with the Gang War suppliment there are only 2 gangs to play?

Not models, just actual stats/skills etc.

Were the sprues shown in the videos or anywhere?

 MangoMadness wrote:
So day 1 even with the Gang War suppliment there are only 2 gangs to play?

Not models, just actual stats/skills etc.

that's what's been said all along though right?...just the main box with the goliaths and eschers to start with, followed fairly soon after by other gangs?...I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that there'll be at least another 2-3 gangs by the end of the year.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Were the sprues shown in the videos or anywhere?

kinda, you can get a look at most of the sprues in the two "how to build" videos...they're in the OP if you can't find 'em

 ZoBo wrote:

 MangoMadness wrote:
So day 1 even with the Gang War suppliment there are only 2 gangs to play?

Not models, just actual stats/skills etc.

that's what's been said all along though right?

Yes in relation to the initial box set, but not about the 1st expansion book (Gang War). I would have thought that the first thing released would be more player factions rather than expanding the ways to play the game.....with only 2 factions.

 MangoMadness wrote:
So day 1 even with the Gang War suppliment there are only 2 gangs to play?

Where has this been said? In the livestream? Do you have a source for it?

 MangoMadness wrote:

 ZoBo wrote:

 MangoMadness wrote:
So day 1 even with the Gang War suppliment there are only 2 gangs to play?

Not models, just actual stats/skills etc.

that's what's been said all along though right?

Yes in relation to the initial box set, but not about the 1st expansion book (Gang War). I would have thought that the first thing released would be more player factions rather than expanding the ways to play the game.....with only 2 factions.

Ohh...yeah ok, now I get ya...actually yeah that is kinda odd...I wonder how they're gonna do the other gang-specific rules and stuff...packaged with each gang as they're released I guess?

Did you miss the “Legacy gang rules - coming soon” thing on the website? I assume all those gang rules will be available on release day.

Atia has stated that content for the game is supposed to be fast and steady, so I'm not really worried.

I like that the box acts as an extension of the terrain.

 MangoMadness wrote:
So day 1 even with the Gang War suppliment there are only 2 gangs to play?

Not models, just actual stats/skills etc.

The Legacy Gang section has you covered there.

Many questions:

1. How tall are these models compared to say guardsmen in 40k? I've heard they are much larger.

2. Will they be releasing additional models for the other gangs? Delaque etc?

3. ETA on said new models?

 Commissar Benny wrote:
Many questions:

1. How tall are these models compared to say guardsmen in 40k? I've heard they are much larger.

2. Will they be releasing additional models for the other gangs? Delaque etc?

3. ETA on said new models?

They are taller, yep. Keep in mind that the Goliaths are essentially roided-out abhumans and the Escher are warrior amazons with 5-inch heels. Andy Hoare from FW has stated that they are the same scale as all other modern GW minis (taking the above into account).

We will get all the gangs eventually but there's no timetable yet.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Commissar Benny wrote:
Many questions:

1. How tall are these models compared to say guardsmen in 40k? I've heard they are much larger.

2. Will they be releasing additional models for the other gangs? Delaque etc?

3. ETA on said new models?

They are taller, yep. Keep in mind that the Goliaths are essentially roided-out abhumans and the Escher are warrior amazons with 5-inch heels. Andy Hoare from FW has stated that they are the same scale as all other modern GW minis (taking the above into account).

We will get all the gangs eventually but there's no timetable yet.

If it helps, the Eschers are on 25mm, and the Goliaths on 32mm bases.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Commissar Benny wrote:
Many questions:

1. How tall are these models compared to say guardsmen in 40k? I've heard they are much larger.

2. Will they be releasing additional models for the other gangs? Delaque etc?

3. ETA on said new models?

They are taller, yep. Keep in mind that the Goliaths are essentially roided-out abhumans and the Escher are warrior amazons with 5-inch heels. Andy Hoare from FW has stated that they are the same scale as all other modern GW minis (taking the above into account).

We will get all the gangs eventually but there's no timetable yet.

"House Goliath furnace-tenders are often bigger than a Space Marine and some regard them as a classifiable strain of Abhuman."

It looks like we will be getting Legacy rules upon release. I wonder if they are also included in Gang War (that would make sense). I also am wondering if in the Legacy rules/ Gang Wars we will get to see the old gangs new stats and wacky new gear (like the Goliath's weaponized industrial tools and the Escher's chem weapons). Either way, I'm beyond stoked.

I also wouldn't be surprised if we get two more gangs two weeks after Necromunda comes out (first weekend in December). That's what they did with Shadespire and it gives GW some time to advertise them and more importantly for most people who are paid twice a month, or at the start of the month, more money to buy them with.

 Commissar Benny wrote:
Many questions:

1. How tall are these models compared to say guardsmen in 40k? I've heard they are much larger.

If you go to the gang section on the site they show you pics of all the minis in that particular gang.

Adjust the image so the bases are 25mm for Esher 32 for goliath.

You can then hold up a mini to the screen to have a size comparison.