Necromunda Underhive - House of Chains Pg272

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**streetsamurai**

No way to metal. I still have nightmares of paint chipping on sharp edges, and the explosions that happen whenever they fall

**Gogsnik**

Am I the only who saw this when looking at the "cat" models?

Haven't seen a single thing that I don't like yet, can't wait to see the new updated Spyrers.

**lord_blackfang**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
ah64pilot5 wrote:
I'm happy that the word out is that the heavy stubber is gonna be fixed.
Nothing broken about the Heavy Stubber. Those stats were intentional.

They still need fixing, tho.

**ZebioLizard2**

The heavy stubber could use a bit of a buff. Not to the old levels where they were pretty much autotake in most armies, but could do a bit fine.

**Baxx**

After having the luxury of only plastic and resin, I can never ever go back to metal minis. It's a complete deal breaker. The paint chips from every use and conversions are almost impossible.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The heavy stubber could use a bit of a buff. Not to the old levels where they were pretty much autotake in most armies, but could do a bit fine.

In the olden days, they were simply the right mix of cost, power and reliability. Heavy Bolter gave more effective firepower, at the cost of Ammo Rolls. Autocannon offered serous stopping power, but not as many shots. HB and AC were also much more expensive. And when you can only have two heavies, I always found it hard to go back an upgrade their kit - hence I stuck with Heavy Stubbers and Grenade Launchers.

**Albertorius**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The heavy stubber could use a bit of a buff. Not to the old levels where they were pretty much autotake in most armies, but could do a bit fine.

In the olden days, they were simply the right mix of cost, power and reliability. Heavy Bolter gave more effective firepower, at the cost of Ammo Rolls. Autocannon offered serous stopping power, but not as many shots. HB and AC were also much more expensive. And when you can only have two heavies, I always found it hard to go back an upgrade their kit - hence I stuck with Heavy Stubbers and Grenade Launchers.

Seeing as now (at least) one of the main House gangs is made up completely out of T4 individuals, I'd say that it will be less of an auto pick already even with no changes.

**ZebioLizard2**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The heavy stubber could use a bit of a buff. Not to the old levels where they were pretty much autotake in most armies, but could do a bit fine.

In the olden days, they were simply the right mix of cost, power and reliability. Heavy Bolter gave more effective firepower, at the cost of Ammo Rolls. Autocannon offered serous stopping power, but not as many shots. HB and AC were also much more expensive. And when you can only have two heavies, I always found it hard to go back an upgrade their kit - hence I stuck with Heavy Stubbers and Grenade Launchers.

Yeah I pretty much used GL and HS too. Really some options back then were just to show off as you never needed to use a Lascannon short of straight up bragging, many melee weapons were useless (short of having parry) and so many options were poorly done.

It's why I am glad they are continuing with Necromunda, apparently their specialist games division is making quite a bit if they are going so gung ho with this.

**Chopstick**

Heavy Stubber cost 130 credit, and more for Suspensor because unwieldy trait make everything terrible, so they better be good.

**Mymearan**

kendoka wrote:
I honestly cannot understand why some people like the Mad Dog dude (Orlock dog handler).
In my book it is inferior to almost all other sculpts in this, amazing, release.
I need several cyber-dogs, though...

The worst sculpts are obviously the pyrr ”cats”, them being extremely bad and in poses like a Scylla from the nineties...

Spoiler:

What's wrong with the Orlock guy? Sculpt looks just as good as all the others and the design is awesome. Agree about the cats though, looks like a Trish Carden sculpt alright...

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Orlock guy looks like Ron Perlman.

And dammit, that alone is good enough for me

But hey, ultimate we're talking miniature sculptures, thus placing it all in the realm of art, where everyone is free to enjoy what they enjoy.

Except Tracy Emin's bed, which is completely inexplicable and frankly somewhat disgustrous.

**AndrewGPaul**

You're just jealous no-one's offered you a hundred large for your unmade scratcher.

I'd like to see those animals painted.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

To be fair, my fartsack is simply unmade. It's otherwise really quite clean - I'm one to hoover the mattress, use a mattress protector, and all my sheets are Egyptian cotton!

Yes, I respect my bed!

Totally agreed on the beasties though. I've always found bare resin a difficult medium to see detail on. Once painted, I find I tend to like models a bit more.

**His Master's Voice**

Think I'll be using Khymerae for my Purrcats.

**warl0rdb0b**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Think I'll be using Khymerae for my Purrcats.

I was thinking similar, the Phyrr cats just don't look feline enough for me, just means i'll have to get my putty out and alter the Khymerae to match the artwork as closely as possible.

**ah64pilot5**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The heavy stubber could use a bit of a buff. Not to the old levels where they were pretty much autotake in most armies, but could do a bit fine.

Really something as simple as rapid fire 2 would have been about right, maybe drop the long range a bit,, make it 15-30 with that,, but definitely better than rapid fire 1

**H.B.M.C.**

Rapid Fire 1 is there so legacy gangs don't overwhelm the original gangs.

Now that the Orlocks are coming out, and the conversion packs include Heavy Stubbers for everyone, the profile will be updated.

**BrookM**

From Facebook:

We want to apologise for the comments made about Escher and women at the Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender. We don’t believe in any such sentiment and certainly don’t condone it.

Games Workshop is founded on principles of fairness and respect and we’re committed to encouraging equality. Bias, in any shape or form‚ deliberate or accidental‚ is not consistent with our company's values or culture.

Has someone said something horrible, have things been taken out of context or what?

**SnotlingPimpWagon**

BrookM wrote:
From Facebook:

We want to apologise for the comments made about Escher and women at the Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender. We don’t believe in any such sentiment and certainly don’t condone it.

Games Workshop is founded on principles of fairness and respect and we’re committed to encouraging equality. Bias, in any shape or form‚ deliberate or accidental‚ is not consistent with our company's values or culture.

Has someone said something horrible, have things been taken out of context or what?

Maybe they said, that house eager doesn't want any men in their gangs, as no man can be worthy?

**Adam Spielmann**

From what I gathered one of the FW designers said something similar to "Eschers are exotic and vindictive because are women".

Enter the indignation.

**Chopstick**

Oh boy, the mob of people who never actually buy any product but get offended are growing. Brace yourself GW didn't actually take suggestion from any of these people.

**Galas**

Eschers are exotic and vindicative because they are women, and Goliath are blunt and violent because they are men.
They are both topic with legs, is not like everyone is like them both, whats the problem with that...

**Overread**

The internet often blows "storm in a tea-cup" moments well into Hurricanes in a teacup

**Crimson**

Adam Spielmann wrote:
From what I gathered one of the FW designers said something similar to "Eschers are exotic and vindictive because are women".

Enter the indignation.

Well that would certainly be a stupid thing to say. A bit weird perhaps to apologise that way in the Facebook, because most people will have no idea what exactly is apologised for.

**BrookM**

All it takes is one Youtuber to take the comment out of context and have a pissy rant about it.

**beast_gts**

Battle Bunnies wrote:
Hi all

On Saturday I put up a summary of the seminar which I attended and I would like to apologise for incorrectly and out of context reporting the words of Tony Cottrell. This post was taken down very quickly too. I have the upmost respect for the man and think what he has done for the hobby and Forge World could be matched by no other. His presentations are brilliant and the way he interacts with his audience is fantastic.

My personal opinion is that there was no malice or prejudice in the joke, but in written word and out of context it can be construed differently.

I will be more careful in my comments in the future, but I believe I may be stepping back from reporting from seminars in the future and leaving it to the company itself.

Sincerely.

Drake Seta

**zend**

Can't wait to see the Ratskins and the complaints they'll generate from people that have no intention on playing anyways.

**Galas**

beast_gts wrote:
Battle Bunnies wrote:
Hi all

On Saturday I put up a summary of the seminar which I attended and I would like to apologise for incorrectly and out of context reporting the words of Tony Cottrell. This post was taken down very quickly too. I have the upmost respect for the man and think what he has done for the hobby and Forge World could be matched by no other. His presentations are brilliant and the way he interacts with his audience is fantastic.

My personal opinion is that there was no malice or prejudice in the joke, but in written word and out of context it can be construed differently.

I will be more careful in my comments in the future, but I believe I may be stepping back from reporting from seminars in the future and leaving it to the company itself.

Sincerely.

Drake Seta

Yeah, we all know jokes without a context become problems, that kind of things is better to not be reported. They will only be wood for people wanting to start fires.

**Hragged**

It was a pretty unprofessional and tone-deaf thing to say when acting as a face of the company at a presentation with the public. Hardly the best place to make jokes about women. Not surprising that they issued an apology.

Loving the look of the stuff in the works though.

**H.B.M.C.**

We all know you can't make jokes about women. Ever.

Only stupid stupid men can be made fun of. Stupid men!!!