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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Charax wrote:
eschers being all-female makes sense - escher males are explicitly stated to be scrawny and underdeveloped. The other gangs don't really have the same in-universe rationale, I'd love to see some female orlocks or Cawdor or Van Saar models

Yeah. As lovely as the new Orlocks are, I was disappointed that they're all male. It is kinda silly that there aren't any female gangers outside the specific amazon gang.

So far.

lets just hope they add some interesting stuff to all the upcoming stuff.

How long did it take to get female Stormcast again......

Well it happened soo......

 Mr Morden wrote:


How long did it take to get female Stormcast again......

Not terribly long. Though it is still super annoying that both available female Stormcast models come in big boxes bundled with stuff I don't want.

I want mixed-gender basic troop boxes. There might be some additional resin female Orlocks etc, but it's not the same. Like with the Stormcast it will be impossible to make a force which is even somewhat balanced gender wise, instead of there being just one or two token females.


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BTW, can anyone recommend any third party heads with cowboy hats? I kinda want to turn those Orlocks into space cowboys...

 Crimson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


How long did it take to get female Stormcast again......

Not terribly long. Though it is still super annoying that both available female Stormcast models come in big boxes bundled with stuff I don't want.

I want mixed-gender basic troop boxes. There might be some additional resin female Orlocks etc, but it's not the same. Like with the Stormcast it will be impossible to make a force which is even somewhat balanced gender wise, instead of there being just one or two token females.

Naeve Blacktalon is probably going to see a solo release when the Start Collecting Vanguard box comes out later this month, but I think you can get over it with regards to Angharad in Shadespire.

She's in a $60 boxed game.

Happy that there was no orlock female. They wouldn't fit with the theme of the gang (outlaws biker are notoriously misogynistic). Same thing for Cawdor (religious fanatics tends to have a very conservative if not utillitarian (not in the philosophical sense) view on women, who are primarly seen as reproductive machines).

Wouldn't mind some female Van Saar or Delaque, but it's far from a priority for me

 streetsamurai wrote:
Happy that there was no orlock female. They wouldn't fit with the theme of the gang (outlaws biker are notoriously misogynistic). Same thing for Cawdor (religious fanatics tends to have a very conservative if not utillitarian (not in the philosophical sense) view on women, who are primarly seen as reproductive machines).

Wouldn't mind some female Van Saar or Delaque, but it's far from a priority for me

Orlocks definately have male and female gangers: from White Dwarf this months feature on Orlocks

.....the men and women of Orlock's gangs walk proud and tall thorugh the smoke-clogged hallways.

Forget the code and a ganger ends up gutted, facedown in a sump-flow. Honour it and their brothers and sisters will fight and die by their side.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Happy that there was no orlock female. They wouldn't fit with the theme of the gang (outlaws biker are notoriously misogynistic).

And that would automatically apply to space bikers 38 000 years from now?

 streetsamurai wrote:
Happy that there was no orlock female. They wouldn't fit with the theme of the gang (outlaws biker are notoriously misogynistic). Same thing for Cawdor (religious fanatics tends to have a very conservative if not utillitarian (not in the philosophical sense) view on women, who are primarly seen as reproductive machines).

Wouldn't mind some female Van Saar or Delaque, but it's far from a priority for me

I take your point, but Orlocks are not terran bikers of the 21st century and Cawdor are not dark ages religious fanatics, they are both far, far future imaginary concepts and can be whatever their creators want them to be. I personally cannot see either having a problem with women in their ranks as long as they can wield a weapon and prove themselves.

The Imperium as a whole is somewhat egalitarian for the genders simply because showing favor to either, beyond local planetary traditions, would go against the very simple credo of the Imperium of Mankind; 'you don't matter, the species matters, the God Emperor matters, you however will not be missed'. - You are all meat for the grinder, possession of a winkie is irrelevant, be a productive and obedient citizen.

The god emperor cares not if you bleed once a month or only in battle just that you wash the heretic and alien way with your blood

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Happy that there was no orlock female. They wouldn't fit with the theme of the gang (outlaws biker are notoriously misogynistic). Same thing for Cawdor (religious fanatics tends to have a very conservative if not utillitarian (not in the philosophical sense) view on women, who are primarly seen as reproductive machines).

Wouldn't mind some female Van Saar or Delaque, but it's far from a priority for me

I take your point, but Orlocks are not terran bikers of the 21st century and Cawdor are not dark ages religious fanatics, they are both far, far future imaginary concepts and can be whatever their creators want them to be. I personally cannot see either having a problem with women in their ranks as long as they can wield a weapon and prove themselves.

The Imperium as a whole is somewhat egalitarian for the genders simply because showing favor to either, beyond local planetary traditions, would go against the very simple credo of the Imperium of Mankind; 'you don't matter, the species matters, the God Emperor matters, you however will not be missed'. - You are all meat for the grinder, possession of a winkie is irrelevant, be a productive and obedient citizen.

Disagreed. From the fluff I read, Imperium is not a gender egalitarian society. Women roles in it is mostly restricted to reproduction, since the perpetual wars of the imperium impose a high demand on nativity . Though my view of the Imperium might be in part tainted by Enki Bilal comic La foire aux immortels, which was an obvious influence for it (in the comic, women are put in large ''baby factory'' and continuously inseminated in order to produce as much soldiers as possible)


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And yes, these gangs are not direct translation of these real world groups, but the more they stray from it, the less they become interesting imo

 streetsamurai wrote:


Disagreed. From the fluff I read, Imperium is not a gender egalitarian society. Women roles in it is mostly restricted to reproduction, since the perpetual wars of the imperium impose a high demand on nativity . Though my view of the Imperium might be in part tainted by Enki Bilal comic La foire aux immortels, which was an obvious influence for it (in the comic, women are put in large ''baby factory'' and continuously inseminated in order to produce as much soldiers as possible)

No.

Pretty sure you’re reading it wrong.

Imperial Guard is open to all. Whilst it would seem single gender regiments are the norm, mixed gender regiments are far from being rare.

Have you tried actually reading BL instead of other books when it comes to getting an idea of what goes on in 40k?

I've read many, but as in much thing 40k, there are as many interpretation as you want


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From this very site excellent article on civilian life in the imperium

The Imperium is an explicitly patriarchal society where, all things being equal, leaders are expected to be male. After all the Emperor and his Primarchs were men (the 'Sanguinia Heresy' notwithstanding) thus proving man's natural role as master. Certain Imperial texts even make the biologically unlikely assertion that woman cannot accept Space Marine geneseed due to the gender difference.



Other women may serve alongside men as Guardsmen, laborers, farmers, scribes or even nobles but on most worlds there is a subtle attitude that women are expected to take a secondary role. They are usually relegated to traditionally female jobs such as cooking, cleaning, teaching or caring for children.

Only superb political connections, breeding, patronage, skill and luck can allow a woman to rise to the top in most Imperial organizations. Rest assured that those who do, are forces to be reckoned with.

This is not the topic to discuss this.

I don't know. Necro is a game set in the civilian life of 40k, so I think a discussion about it is on topic.

Anyway, you should let the mods decide what OT or not

 Crimson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


How long did it take to get female Stormcast again......

Not terribly long. Though it is still super annoying that both available female Stormcast models come in big boxes bundled with stuff I don't want.

I want mixed-gender basic troop boxes. There might be some additional resin female Orlocks etc, but it's not the same. Like with the Stormcast it will be impossible to make a force which is even somewhat balanced gender wise, instead of there being just one or two token females.


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BTW, can anyone recommend any third party heads with cowboy hats? I kinda want to turn those Orlocks into space cowboys...

Try madrobot miniatures, I know they have boonie hats and slouch hats and some characters with hats.
https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=9_10

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't know. Necro is a game set in the civilian life of 40k, so I think a discussion about it is on topic.

Anyway, you should let the mods decide what OT or not

This be news and rumors. and non of this is news or rumors is it?

 streetsamurai wrote:

From this very site excellent article on civilian life in the imperium

The Imperium is an explicitly patriarchal society where, all things being equal, leaders are expected to be male. After all the Emperor and his Primarchs were men (the 'Sanguinia Heresy' notwithstanding) thus proving man's natural role as master.

No official GW book says that. It is just some bs someone made up.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I've read many, but as in much thing 40k, there are as many interpretation as you want


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From this very site excellent article on civilian life in the imperium

The Imperium is an explicitly patriarchal society where, all things being equal, leaders are expected to be male. After all the Emperor and his Primarchs were men (the 'Sanguinia Heresy' notwithstanding) thus proving man's natural role as master. Certain Imperial texts even make the biologically unlikely assertion that woman cannot accept Space Marine geneseed due to the gender difference.



Other women may serve alongside men as Guardsmen, laborers, farmers, scribes or even nobles but on most worlds there is a subtle attitude that women are expected to take a secondary role. They are usually relegated to traditionally female jobs such as cooking, cleaning, teaching or caring for children.

Only superb political connections, breeding, patronage, skill and luck can allow a woman to rise to the top in most Imperial organizations. Rest assured that those who do, are forces to be reckoned with.

‘From this very site’ so, not official then.

We already did decide that this tangent is Off Topic here.

Please feel free to start a separate topic on that while this one remains about Necromunda News and Rumors.

There is not really any argument anyway - GWs offical line is clear

Orlocks definately have male and female gangers: from White Dwarf this months feature on Orlocks

.....the men and women of Orlock's gangs walk proud and tall thorugh the smoke-clogged hallways.

Forget the code and a ganger ends up gutted, facedown in a sump-flow. Honour it and their brothers and sisters will fight and die by their side.

re the Pets - are they gang specific or anyone can have anything>?

Here are my predictions for Necromunda in 2018:

We will not see miniatures for juves. Ever. Just like booster packs for Humans and Orcs in Blood Bowl (starter box teams).

 Mr Morden wrote:
There is not really any argument anyway - GWs offical line is clear

Orlocks definately have male and female gangers: from White Dwarf this months feature on Orlocks

.....the men and women of Orlock's gangs walk proud and tall thorugh the smoke-clogged hallways.

Forget the code and a ganger ends up gutted, facedown in a sump-flow. Honour it and their brothers and sisters will fight and die by their side.

re the Pets - are they gang specific or anyone can have anything>?

Think the pets are gang specific. The croc thing is for the goliaths, the cat things are for the Escher, the rats are Cawdor. Van Saar are getting mechanical spiders apparently.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
There is not really any argument anyway - GWs offical line is clear

Orlocks definately have male and female gangers: from White Dwarf this months feature on Orlocks

.....the men and women of Orlock's gangs walk proud and tall thorugh the smoke-clogged hallways.

Forget the code and a ganger ends up gutted, facedown in a sump-flow. Honour it and their brothers and sisters will fight and die by their side.

re the Pets - are they gang specific or anyone can have anything>?

Think the pets are gang specific. The croc thing is for the goliaths, the cat things are for the Escher, the rats are Cawdor. Van Saar are getting mechanical spiders apparently.

Cool thanks - Cats go with Escher Mech spiders - Oh MY! I thought the croc was a Grox?

The pic of cats was not that great, but what I could tell they seemed like a poor sculpt. (which is weird considering how amazing everything else is.) Oh well, some other manufacturers probably have half-decent big cat models.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
There is not really any argument anyway - GWs offical line is clear

Orlocks definately have male and female gangers: from White Dwarf this months feature on Orlocks

.....the men and women of Orlock's gangs walk proud and tall thorugh the smoke-clogged hallways.

Forget the code and a ganger ends up gutted, facedown in a sump-flow. Honour it and their brothers and sisters will fight and die by their side.

re the Pets - are they gang specific or anyone can have anything>?

Think the pets are gang specific. The croc thing is for the goliaths, the cat things are for the Escher, the rats are Cawdor. Van Saar are getting mechanical spiders apparently.

Cool thanks - Cats go with Escher Mech spiders - Oh MY! I thought the croc was a Grox?

Aren't Grox space cows though? That's what I always interpreted them as.
Edit : Oh, nope, giant space lizards.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
There is not really any argument anyway - GWs offical line is clear

Orlocks definately have male and female gangers: from White Dwarf this months feature on Orlocks

.....the men and women of Orlock's gangs walk proud and tall thorugh the smoke-clogged hallways.

Forget the code and a ganger ends up gutted, facedown in a sump-flow. Honour it and their brothers and sisters will fight and die by their side.

re the Pets - are they gang specific or anyone can have anything>?

Think the pets are gang specific. The croc thing is for the goliaths, the cat things are for the Escher, the rats are Cawdor. Van Saar are getting mechanical spiders apparently.

Cool thanks - Cats go with Escher Mech spiders - Oh MY! I thought the croc was a Grox?

Very very cool

So we have had Squat and Beastman Abhuman models - must be time for a cat girl abhuman.

Yeah Grox are farmed for meat but they are reptiles

Well Van Saars logo is a mech spider so...

 Mr Morden wrote:
must be time for a cat girl abhuman.

I truly hope its a human head on a cat body so i can see the internet have a collective brain aneurysm.

 Desubot wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
must be time for a cat girl abhuman.

I truly hope its a human head on a cat body so i can see the internet have a collective brain aneurysm.

Eh, it's been done