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2018/02/06 21:26:36
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
One minor but intriguing thing about the new-look Escher:
According to Warhammer Community (and maybe this thread somewhere a few pages back?), the Escher now have both a Queen and a Huntress. Or Huntresses, presumably.
Combined with their new 'feathery' aesthetic, I'm getting distinct Lustrian Amazons vibes from this. The 80s Warhammer Amazons had a Queen, and they allegedly also had Huntresses. (I say 'allegedly' because my only source for the latter is an RPGnet thread, not a primary source, so it could have been a fanmade thing.)
Now since Goliaths also have a King, and 'Huntress' is a fairly generic title, it could be a coincidence.
But... Andy Hoare did a lot of work on Lustria back in the day for 6th and 7th ed WFB: the Lustria supplement, various White Dwarf articles and the 7th ed Lizzies book. Amazons references abounded. He brought back a lot of the old Halliwell fluff from 1st edition, like the fact that they have superscience raygun weapons. (For those unaware, 1st ed WFB was a lot more science-fantasy than later editions. The Amazons inherited a lot of ancient technology in Leela-of-the-Sevateem style--such as bolt pistols and power swords, among other things.)
The original Necromunda Escher from the 90s have always seemed like spiritual successors to the Halliwell Amazons to me. Recycled concepts, more or less. So I can't help feeling that the Queen and Huntress, along with the new aesthetic--which looks kinda Mesoamerican to me, now that I think about it--might be a call-back to their 80s Fantasy foremothers.
Not exactly a big deal, but still. Warms me heart it does.
2018/02/07 11:12:13
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
The huntresses probably are high-ranking Escher tasked with putting down those that affronted the House. I wouldn't be surprised if other gangs also got some type of fancy enforcer or the like.
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2018/02/07 12:41:10
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
BrookM wrote: The huntresses probably are high-ranking Escher tasked with putting down those that affronted the House. I wouldn't be surprised if other gangs also got some type of fancy enforcer or the like.
I was imagining she was an Escher Bounty Hunter (like the Goliath one they showed a render of).
Also hope there's more than those 3 for made to order, I've got Mad Donna and the other two aren't great sculpts. Some of the ridiculously rare bounty hunters or Spyrer king/queens would be great!
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2018/02/07 13:29:08
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
Well, the value of my Mad Donna is about to take a hit. But it's good to see them re-release some old stuff. I wish they'd make more than just those available...
According to Warhammer Community (and maybe this thread somewhere a few pages back?), the Escher now have both a Queen and a Huntress. Or Huntresses, presumably.
Now since Goliaths also have a King, and 'Huntress' is a fairly generic title, it could be a coincidence.
They are all in the Underhive rulebook, House Escher have Queen (currently Queen Adina)
for Goliath it is the Over-tyrant (currently Gor Iron Eye)
2018/02/07 16:46:52
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
Hmm, that Kal Jericho sculpt could be a decent one if it had a different head. The head is terrible. Good for conversion fodder I suppose? My biggest issue with it is it really doesn't look like something that should be in the Underhive. It looks more fitting as a retinue member for a Rogue trader or Inquisitor, or the base of a conversion for either.
I hope we see more options for the made to order, it would be somewhat pathetic to only have 3 old sculpts available. I feel there must be others when comparing to past waves of made to order. What are some of these old bounty hunters and scum people are hoping for?
Albino Squirrel wrote: Unless you don't know what the word "egalitarian" means, you can't possibly think the Imperium of Man is more egalitarian than modern day Earth.
In fact, you bizarrely note that the military wing of the church is all female in the SAME SENTENCE where you claim they don't discriminate based on sex.
In a general sense, the IoM is only non-egalitarian in class- it has many strict class-based societies where wealth, power, tradition and reputation are everything. Generally speaking, male or female biases are uncommon and localised, and probably even out on the whole. The issue, and part of the reason the IoM is so grimdark, is that the class-related differences are huge, with the lower ranks having basically no civil freedoms on many worlds as a result. So you cannot call the IoM egalitarian in general, but it is on the majority of the issues in modern day society.
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
2018/02/07 17:25:06
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
Haighus wrote: My biggest issue with it is it really doesn't look like something that should be in the Underhive. It looks more fitting as a retinue member for a Rogue trader or Inquisitor, or the base of a conversion for either.
Then you don't want to see his mother...
All the figs--including the gangs--from that period are awful by today's standards.Yes, Escher man-faces, I talking about you! I'd prefer to see them resculpt some of the classic characters rather than recast relics from a less elegant time.
2018/02/07 17:26:07
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
Haighus wrote: My biggest issue with it is it really doesn't look like something that should be in the Underhive. It looks more fitting as a retinue member for a Rogue trader or Inquisitor, or the base of a conversion for either.
Then you don't want to see his mother...
All the figs--including the gangs--from that period are awful by today's standards.Yes, Escher man-faces, I talking about you! I'd prefer to see them resculpt some of the classic characters rather than recast relics from a less elegant time.
Yeah, this is true, although I feel in the case of KJ, the face is worse than the rest of the model in quality. There are other sculpts of that era that do still hold up ok today, they are just infrequent (and often helmeted to be fair...). I can see the appeal of made to order (I picked up some Kasrkins with it myself), and I don't think it is going to really divert resources from anywhere else, so I think it is a good way for GW to generate some revenue from nostalgia to invest in things I do care about.
As I said, my biggest issue with the model is that it doesn't fit the theme of Necromunda so well in my opinion.
EnTyme wrote:I sense another rule # 2 warning coming in the near future.
I know, it is why I am resisting replying again, and bundled my first reply with another comment. Not sure if I can be bothered to make a new thread for it though, I think it could go toxic very quick. I think we will have to drop the conversation here.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
2018/02/07 18:01:26
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
What a great addition to the range. My only issue is the release and the delay in the expansion. Going to pick up the add ons, but will probably bundle the FW at a later date.
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2018/02/07 19:12:21
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
Those Orlock autoguns are a thing of beauty. Pity there is only two per sprue! The combat shotguns and heavy stubber are also very nice. What is the long barreled pistol? Is it a stub pistol, just not a stub revolver?
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
2018/02/08 00:57:16
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - open day news and pictures pg 85+
Ahhh, I see. That makes a lot of sense actually. I didn't expect it to be quite so short though! It should count as a pistol at that size!
Looking at it closely, it does look like a cut-down version of the combat shotgun, without the drum mag. Interesting.
The barrel length doesn't matter, but the powder charge does. I mean, you can try to use a sawn off one handed, like Caleb does in Blood, but it will really hurt your wrist.
I found a video that might demonstrate this
The Orlocks do use it one handed though, because cosplaying as Mad Max is more important than broken wrists Would explain why you can't duel wield one though like a pistol in game.
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