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They've said they're going to do all the old characters - this is just a made to order, it's not instead of redoing it.

 BrookM wrote:
I worry that if I order a Mad Donna they'll re-release her not long afterwards or something.

If I knew that's all it took to get a modern Mad Donna I'd send you mine tomorrow. Win-Win!

 Crimson wrote:

 mdauben wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So back on track:

I kind of wish FW had just redone Mad Donna. That miniature is going to look dated as hell next to the new Eschers.

Isn't the timeline still in sync with 40K? All the original Necromunda characters are dead, this is over a century later.

Why would they bother doing that? It needlessly pisses off vets and adds nothing of value, since even in the wildest throes of inadvisable greed I doubt they're going to add Primarchs, Primaris, and Custodes to Necromunda. Besides which, they've already shown the timeline advance thing is BS in 40K - any of the characters they still think are marketable have somehow survived, despite that requiring some pretty gargantuan leaps to justify in some cases "oh they must have been lost in the warp, oh they must have gotten some super-duper-rare never-before mentioned version of Juvenat that works even better than normal Juvenat, oh err, timey-wimey stuff maybe?", so there's no reason they wouldn't just say any such characters in Necromunda have also survived, someway somehow just don't think about it too hard

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 mdauben wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So back on track:

I kind of wish FW had just redone Mad Donna. That miniature is going to look dated as hell next to the new Eschers.

Isn't the timeline still in sync with 40K? All the original Necromunda characters are dead, this is over a century later.

Why would they bother doing that? It needlessly pisses off vets and adds nothing of value, since even in the wildest throes of inadvisable greed I doubt they're going to add Primarchs, Primaris, and Custodes to Necromunda. Besides which, they've already shown the timeline advance thing is BS in 40K - any of the characters they still think are marketable have somehow survived, despite that requiring some pretty gargantuan leaps to justify in some cases "oh they must have been lost in the warp, oh they must have gotten some super-duper-rare never-before mentioned version of Juvenat that works even better than normal Juvenat, oh err, timey-wimey stuff maybe?", so there's no reason they wouldn't just say any such characters in Necromunda have also survived, someway somehow just don't think about it too hard

Is all that necessary? The Eisenhorn series showed us living over a century is pretty standard for any better off citizen, and living 4 centuries or more and being combat effective is not uncommon amongst high status individuals like Inquisitors. Commissar Yarrick being 350 years old or something is far from implausible in that context.

 Haighus wrote:
Is all that necessary? The Eisenhorn series showed us living over a century is pretty standard for any better off citizen, and living 4 centuries or more and being combat effective is not uncommon amongst high status individuals like Inquisitors. Commissar Yarrick being 350 years old or something is far from implausible in that context.

It's even more easy than this, Guilliman is already trying to tidy up the Imperial dating as it turns out to be wildly innacurate. Necromunda characters still alive? Simple, Necromunda's timeline was never accurate anyway!!!

 Haighus wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 mdauben wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So back on track:

I kind of wish FW had just redone Mad Donna. That miniature is going to look dated as hell next to the new Eschers.

Isn't the timeline still in sync with 40K? All the original Necromunda characters are dead, this is over a century later.

Why would they bother doing that? It needlessly pisses off vets and adds nothing of value, since even in the wildest throes of inadvisable greed I doubt they're going to add Primarchs, Primaris, and Custodes to Necromunda. Besides which, they've already shown the timeline advance thing is BS in 40K - any of the characters they still think are marketable have somehow survived, despite that requiring some pretty gargantuan leaps to justify in some cases "oh they must have been lost in the warp, oh they must have gotten some super-duper-rare never-before mentioned version of Juvenat that works even better than normal Juvenat, oh err, timey-wimey stuff maybe?", so there's no reason they wouldn't just say any such characters in Necromunda have also survived, someway somehow just don't think about it too hard

Is all that necessary? The Eisenhorn series showed us living over a century is pretty standard for any better off citizen, and living 4 centuries or more and being combat effective is not uncommon amongst high status individuals like Inquisitors. Commissar Yarrick being 350 years old or something is far from implausible in that context.

Well yes, but I'm not so sure living in the Necromunda hives down below the rest attemptin to murder and kill each other is very better off.

True, but we are talking about legendary underhivers, famous for their ability to survive and wealth. There are millions of people living down there, a handful being successful enough to afford rejuvenat treatment and live for centuries doesn't seem especially far fetched to me.

especially as both Kal and Donna were members of the noble houses

 BrookM wrote:
I worry that if I order a Mad Donna they'll re-release her not long afterwards or something.

They haven't re-released any other models that have been part of the Made to Order scheme, so don't worry. There might be a new model, but that's not the same thing; if you like that old model, go ahead and buy it.

 Haighus wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 mdauben wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So back on track:

I kind of wish FW had just redone Mad Donna. That miniature is going to look dated as hell next to the new Eschers.

Isn't the timeline still in sync with 40K? All the original Necromunda characters are dead, this is over a century later.

Why would they bother doing that? It needlessly pisses off vets and adds nothing of value, since even in the wildest throes of inadvisable greed I doubt they're going to add Primarchs, Primaris, and Custodes to Necromunda. Besides which, they've already shown the timeline advance thing is BS in 40K - any of the characters they still think are marketable have somehow survived, despite that requiring some pretty gargantuan leaps to justify in some cases "oh they must have been lost in the warp, oh they must have gotten some super-duper-rare never-before mentioned version of Juvenat that works even better than normal Juvenat, oh err, timey-wimey stuff maybe?", so there's no reason they wouldn't just say any such characters in Necromunda have also survived, someway somehow just don't think about it too hard

Is all that necessary? The Eisenhorn series showed us living over a century is pretty standard for any better off citizen, and living 4 centuries or more and being combat effective is not uncommon amongst high status individuals like Inquisitors. Commissar Yarrick being 350 years old or something is far from implausible in that context.

I disagree. There's a difference between age and time - Juvenat can only do so much, and when its effects are depicted on people who are "temporally static" ie not engaging in substantial amounts of warp travel or other timey-wimey shenanigans, they tend to be at the life support chair-bound and incontinent stage by around 300. If you want to get much beyond that as a baseline human, you pretty much have to be a high ranking Techpriest. Besides which, many of the characters who were alive in old-40K were already at the multiple century mark, so adding another couple on there without some additional fluff explanation would leave very few of them in any kind of state even approaching "combat effective". Not to mention that the Imperium has suddenly become very safety conscious, you'd expect at least one or two of the big names to have bought the big one or at least had some limbs torn off over two hundred years.

If we were talking about them keeping around a handful of the more plausible ones transitioned into "elder statesmen" kind of roles in the fiction, that'd be fine, but just like with the rest of the nu-40K "lore" it's all talk and no nadgers if it proves inconvenient - everyone gets Primaris whether it makes sense based on their prior story & character or not, the Rift is the riftiest rift that ever rifted until a story or model release needs them to cross it and oh looky, they can cross it, and whenever the time skip might be an issue they just gloss over or outright ignore it.

Regardless though, we're not talking about high-status, uphive nobility here. The big names in Necromunda were largely scum or exiles, existing in an environment where they were evidently struggling to find bolter ammo - where are folk like that getting incredibly expensive and rare life extension tech from? Maybe you can come up with a plausible tale for one or two, but for even half of the recognisable characters from Necromunda as-was to survive two centuries and still be capable of dealing with the Underhive you'd have to contort yourself into a four-dimensional hypertorus.

 mdauben wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So back on track:

I kind of wish FW had just redone Mad Donna. That miniature is going to look dated as hell next to the new Eschers.

Forge World may well do another Mad Donna - this has no bearing on that. It's just a short run of old miniatures, that's all. I mean, they did the old Assassin model from 1st edition a while back, and that didn't affect the production of the current Eversor Assassin.

They have hinted strongly that “Belladonna” is “‘Mad’ Donna” plus a few years and minus a couple of limbs so they kinda already did?

Y'know a skeleton with a cone bra and big hair would be a neat objective/Mad Donna update...

Call it a Dread Pirate Roberts thing and let it go. I think it's asking to much for the limited re-release of archived figs to jive with 40Ks rubber timeline. As for dudes like Yarrick? Meh, whatevs, they're old, and no design workshop with any sense is going to dump popular characters from popular armies because of the fluff. I think GW will happily live with a small contingent of disgruntled fluff truthers (no offense gentlemen). Everyone else is, generallly speaking, pretty gruntled at the mo'.

Me? I like that GW does the limited release of old stuff - it services some of the long time fans who already own multiple gangs and whatnot and want to fill out their collections.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Y'know a skeleton with a cone bra and big hair would be a neat objective/Mad Donna update...

Every turn you have to roll if she shows up to the battle, 'cause these days she's always late.

Or make some new special characters - Lei D'Gaga, Kat Iperi, Ri'Hanna...

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They have hinted strongly that “Belladonna” is “‘Mad’ Donna” plus a few years and minus a couple of limbs so they kinda already did?

She is missing the cybernetic eye though.

Edit.

Never mind, checked the art and it's hidden behind her bangs.

Here's hoping her power axe has the same naming convention as her old chainsword did.

If M2O has Escher sculpts that I don't already own, I may well open the wallet. But I doubt it.

The rules for our Squat Bounty Hunter here

Porting it over so people don't need to travel to that place:

*flings money at BrookM for such a judicious favour*

Not real money like. Pretend money. More pretend that Bitcoin and that.

People have GW2 now right? Is the recurring hire fee really 280 credits on this guy or is that a one off fee and there are other rules for retaining hired guns?

Charax wrote:
especially as both Kal and Donna were members of the noble houses

Kal's mum is also an Inquisitor IIRC and so has access to whatever she wants and he did do some work for her......so some juvenat would not be a stretch - if not well a juvenat heist seems fine.

disagree. There's a difference between age and time - Juvenat can only do so much, and when its effects are depicted on people who are "temporally static" ie not engaging in substantial amounts of warp travel or other timey-wimey shenanigans, they tend to be at the life support chair-bound and incontinent stage by around 300.

However they are usually in that state because of war wounds, Cain and Amberely don't seem to suffer for their age.

Ad Mech rebuild and replace rather than juvenat.

Yeah I don't get how hiring Hired Guns works in this game.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Charax wrote:
especially as both Kal and Donna were members of the noble houses

Kal's mum is also an Inquisitor IIRC and so has access to whatever she wants and he did do some work for her......so some juvenat would not be a stretch - if not well a juvenat heist seems fine.

Not only that - he's

Having said that, I wouldn't read that much into this; they're releasing old miniatures, not re-introducing the characters into the game. We've not seen any new miniatures so far for old characters, although I'm sure the same archetypes that those old characters embodied will be used again.

On a related note, I've got the Kal Jerico comics and novels that Black Library released, which cover his doings in the Underhive (and Hive City, and the Spire, for that matter), but where were the stories about his goings-on with the Inquisition published? I've only read that part of his background on Lexicanum.

The Space Hulk arc was in Warhammer Monthly.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Charax wrote:
especially as both Kal and Donna were members of the noble houses

Kal's mum is also an Inquisitor IIRC and so has access to whatever she wants and he did do some work for her......so some juvenat would not be a stretch - if not well a juvenat heist seems fine.

Not only that - he's

Spoiler:

the illegitimate son of the governor of Necromunda

Having said that, I wouldn't read that much into this; they're releasing old miniatures, not re-introducing the characters into the game. We've not seen any new miniatures so far for old characters, although I'm sure the same archetypes that those old characters embodied will be used again.

On a related note, I've got the Kal Jerico comics and novels that Black Library released, which cover his doings in the Underhive (and Hive City, and the Spire, for that matter), but where were the stories about his goings-on with the Inquisition published? I've only read that part of his background on Lexicanum.

I think it was Warhammer Monthly but I am not sure as not at home - if time will have a look at lunch time.

Don't suppose anyone has seen anything about them finally sorting an FAQ?

So are these an Orlock upgrade kit that will be sold at a later date? I was looking at the sprue online & didn't see these pieces.

I believe those are resin upgrades from forgeworld, but I'm also wrong a lot.

Yep, the different colour arms are a dead give away.