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I think it's somewhat short-sighted to say that this Ambot doesn't fit with the established lore and is somehow "doing it wrong".

This is the Underhive. There's probably tons of unsanctioned and dangerous experimentation going on that the AdMech know nothing about.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
How's the fluff in the Gang War books? Do they throw in character pieces or short stories?

Short, but flavorful write ups on the various characters and His Guns from the book, as well as the background for the primary gang involved.

I find the fluff to be satisfying.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it's somewhat short-sighted to say that this Ambot doesn't fit with the established lore and is somehow "doing it wrong".

This is the Underhive. There's probably tons of unsanctioned and dangerous experimentation going on that the AdMech know nothing about.

Especially as the idea of the Adeptus Mechanicus being omniscient IRT technology is blatantly false as they canonically don’t even know all of what’s in their own bloody library. Arkhan Land got his legend without ever even leaving Mars, by ‘discovering’ a bunch of blueprints on an expedition into the Librariam Omnis, not by crusading against heretics and xenos on the outer fringes.

It is said that they have a full STC library right under their noses, but don't know how to access it.

No Ambot yet, maybe next week or something they'll keep aside until Warhammer Fest, which is next week yes? Derp.

At least I got word that my bounty hunter has been sent out, so soon!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it's somewhat short-sighted to say that this Ambot doesn't fit with the established lore and is somehow "doing it wrong".

This is the Underhive. There's probably tons of unsanctioned and dangerous experimentation going on that the AdMech know nothing about.

Indeed. Add to the fact that Brutes have appeared before (as part of the Tyrant's Legion list) as mutants or heretek creations. The underhive is a big place and having "official" patterns adjusted by the locals isn't a stretch by any means. A tweak here, a wire cut there and et viola - a handy murder machine. Just don't try to claim warranty on the thing...

That was the description Andy Hoare gave - the "Ambot" (or Luther-pattern mining robot) is basically a cyborg Ambull - as far as it's concerned, it's happy tunnelling away in its big, strong body. Until some gangers sneak in an pinch it from the mine and deactivate the control circuits. Then it goes back to being as unfriendly and dangerous as a wild Ambull. The one pictured in Escher colours is called "Mr Chomper".

The novel Space Marine had Squat miners riding on the shoulders of Ambulls (less heavbily cyborged than this one) with pintle-mounted multi-meltas. I feel a conversion coming on.

(by the way, Luther-pattern because Ambulls come from the deathworld Luther McIntyre IV. Presumably there are other mining machines made with the brains of other tunnelling animals)

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it's somewhat short-sighted to say that this Ambot doesn't fit with the established lore and is somehow "doing it wrong".

This is the Underhive. There's probably tons of unsanctioned and dangerous experimentation going on that the AdMech know nothing about.

Especially as the idea of the Adeptus Mechanicus being omniscient IRT technology is blatantly false as they canonically don’t even know all of what’s in their own bloody library. Arkhan Land got his legend without ever even leaving Mars, by ‘discovering’ a bunch of blueprints on an expedition into the Librariam Omnis, not by crusading against heretics and xenos on the outer fringes.

I have never known if the 'Arkhan Land' was an attempt at satire/40k-esque background that just missed the mark, or just a genuinely gakky and utterly needless bit of background re-design. But, I don't know why it annoys me so much

I suppose we can assume that we haven't yet heard of the exploits of Dave Storm, who made the Storm Raven, or the cross-franchise move of the Predator being designed by the Predator. Awful.

I do love an Ambull... had to find my own for campaigns...

 Pacific wrote:

I have never known if the 'Arkhan Land' was an attempt at satire/40k-esque background that just missed the mark, or just a genuinely gakky and utterly needless bit of background re-design. But, I don't know why it annoys me so much

It's been in the setting since at least 1990 (he's mentioned in the writeup for the Land Speeder in the revised vehicle rules for 1st edition 40k). It's just a cheap gag, that's all. Along with Birmingham, the black planet whose natives are renowned for their dull-wittedness. Or Obi-Wan Sherlock Clouseau, or the Space Wolves coming from the planet Lucan just so they can make a cheap gag that their Chapter Master is "Lord Lucan".


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WholeHazelNuts wrote:
I do love an Ambull... had to find my own for campaigns...

Whose Umber Hulk is that?

It's from Knightmare miniatures - http://knightmareminiatures.com/

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

I have never known if the 'Arkhan Land' was an attempt at satire/40k-esque background that just missed the mark, or just a genuinely gakky and utterly needless bit of background re-design. But, I don't know why it annoys me so much

It's been in the setting since at least 1990 (he's mentioned in the writeup for the Land Speeder in the revised vehicle rules for 1st edition 40k). It's just a cheap gag, that's all. Along with Birmingham, the black planet whose natives are renowned for their dull-wittedness. Or Obi-Wan Sherlock Clouseau, or the Space Wolves coming from the planet Lucan just so they can make a cheap gag that their Chapter Master is "Lord Lucan".

Really is that old? I remember all those others but not Arkhan Land, thought that had been very much later. I obviously only came across it when it was re-printed in a later set of rules.

Was that in the vehicle rulebook with the marine (Dark Angel I think) riding the bike on the cover?

 Pacific wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it's somewhat short-sighted to say that this Ambot doesn't fit with the established lore and is somehow "doing it wrong".

This is the Underhive. There's probably tons of unsanctioned and dangerous experimentation going on that the AdMech know nothing about.

Especially as the idea of the Adeptus Mechanicus being omniscient IRT technology is blatantly false as they canonically don’t even know all of what’s in their own bloody library. Arkhan Land got his legend without ever even leaving Mars, by ‘discovering’ a bunch of blueprints on an expedition into the Librariam Omnis, not by crusading against heretics and xenos on the outer fringes.

I have never known if the 'Arkhan Land' was an attempt at satire/40k-esque background that just missed the mark, or just a genuinely gakky and utterly needless bit of background re-design. But, I don't know why it annoys me so much

I suppose we can assume that we haven't yet heard of the exploits of Dave Storm, who made the Storm Raven, or the cross-franchise move of the Predator being designed by the Predator. Awful.

Have an exalt. The “Land” naming retcon is just ridiculous.

Any word on a rules compendium or do I have to continue to sit Nucromunda out?

I guess everyone's mileage varies. I've never thought the whole 'Land Raider/Land Speeder being designed by a guy named Land was any more strange or ridiculous than the company that produces a Ford Focus was started by a fellow named Henry Ford.

I thought Arkhan Land didn't show up until the Land Raider kit was released in 3rd Edition (I remember the White Dwarf article about him).

The logic imo was that "Land Speeder" and "Land Raider" are kind of silly names - a Land Speeder doesn't even move on the land, and what's land raider supposed to mean? It raids the land? But they sound cool if you don't think about them too much, so let's invent a reason to have "Land" in their names.

The conflicting weapon profiles continues in Gang War 3! So far I've discovered two different profiles for Web pistol (Cyberachnid vs Armoury). This is starting to feel like Borderlands.

FYI, I've cracked open the Van Saar kit and it's pretty detailed and versatile.

Hopefully the female arms are the same size as the male, I wanted to put the rad cannon on the female body. If the female bodies can only use the pistols then they won't see much use from me. I'm not sure I plan on taking any juves, and loading up on las weapons instead of pistols.

 Thargrim wrote:
Hopefully the female arms are the same size as the male, I wanted to put the rad cannon on the female body. If the female bodies can only use the pistols then they won't see much use from me. I'm not sure I plan on taking any juves, and loading up on las weapons instead of pistols.

They are all about the same, I got my womenfolk lugging Rad Cannons.

How modular are the basic weapons? The GW site seems to suggest there are only a couple of options for them.

The modular weapon mounts are the most intriguing. I think it's a good way to open up variety. Of course, it'll probably just be a Van Saar thing, which is a shame.

In any case, looking forward to seeing what their FW weapon expansion kit looks like.

I’d wager take their house weapon list, subtract what’s in the kit, and what’s left is the forgeworld extras.

I'm seeing FW making a bunch of extra pistol head : sub-carbine, inferno, hand flamer..... A few melee weapon, especially for the right arm, and a Shoulder mount plasma cannon.

The Bodyglove armor Van Saar had is an Undersuit armor, and everyone had them, even Juves, they don't stack with Undersuit armor.
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Chopstick wrote:
I'm seeing FW making a bunch of extra pistol head : auto, inferno, hand flamer..... A few melee weapon, especially for the right arm, and a Shoulder mount plasma cannon.

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I could see some new rad weapons being a thing too, seeing as they seem to be angling for that as the Van Saar specialty

Interested to see why the Baton (generally a one-handed weapon) and the Stave (generally a larger staff-like weapon) have such a hefty difference in cost.

Also a sub-carbine? And what is a suppression laser? A laser shotgun?

Taking a wild guess that the 'big guy' for a Genestealer Cult gang will be a...umm...a genestealer.



So what's the deal with Gang War III? Is it as big a waste of money as the first two? Does the book include how to buy armour, any point values for it, and how it works? Or is armour still a total mystery?

carbine is autogun but shoot laser

same for Suppression laser, shotgun shoot laser.

Baton has Parry, which the Stave trades for +1 S and a 2” Versatile.

The basic Carbine and pistol Sub-Carbine gives up 8” and 4” respectively off their Short range and go to Am 4+ to gain Rapid Fire (1).

The Suppression Laser is very similar to the Combat Shotgun, generally trading some hitting power and ability to hit multiple opponents for greater max range. It has Broad and Short burst modes. 4/8” +2/- 2 - 1 4+ Scattershot and 8/16” +1/- 4 - 2 4+ Knockback.


I’m playing around with building a gang. The desire to take multiple Special/Heavy Weapons keeps leaving me at only six members. Putting Rad Guns on the boss and champs is super tempting but I’m worried it wastes their 2+ BS. I might go all Plasma instead.


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Lots of rules on multiple kinds of armor and force fields.


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Oh, and the only Big Guys are the Ambot and an Ogryn. Based on only those, a Purestrain wouldn’t fit the theme. Based on only this book I would be surprised if the White Dwarf gangs get anything special. They aren’t included in the updated house weapon lists, the bonesword and staff of office aren’t in the big armory list (but the more generic mining stuff is), and they don’t get any pets.

Ah, so the sub-carbine is an autopistol. Gotcha.

The Carbines are both slight but pure upgrades over Auto weapons, with the rifle offering an extra 2” of short range, and both having the Plentiful rule, with no downsides.

Can anyone with GW3 tell me what options Ogryns have? miniature wise are we expected to use the plastic Ogryns/Bullgryns set? Thanks in advance.