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tneva82 wrote:

pinecone77 wrote:
Hey I just noticed that Formations are making a comeback...in Vigilus but likely after maybe a CA type thing. This might change the way Nids play, oh and our GSC brothers and sisters as well.

Vigilus coming together with CA. However bad news is tyranids aren't yet involved in Vigilus campaign and thus won't be getting anything in the book, as confirmed in leaked content page.

Spoiler:

See anything tyranid specific in faction rules? I can't find anything that sounds tyranid like.

So tyranids, necrons, tau etc have to wait for another campaign book.

Yes, I saw that, but I figure Vigilus is a big fancy play test for the new rules. And if they work out then everybody else will be getting a version.

Hey if the Tyranid Harpy drops its spore mine attack and misses....the spore mine model that you are supposed to set up....does that come out of Reinforcements?

Can you opt not to place a model if you don't have the points set aside?

thanks

No, spore mines created by weapons are free.

So with the new CA points leaks the following list clocks in at 2000 points. How would you change it?


Kraken Battalion

Broodlord
Malanthrope
Tyranid Prime/w Deathspitter, bone swords, adrenaline, toxin, flesh hooks


2 units of 20 genestealers/w 4 acid maw

Unit of Warriors/w 4x deathspitter/boneswords, 2x venom cannon, adrenaline

2 units of 3 pyrovores
unit of pyrovores x2

Kronos Battalion

Nuerothrope
Malanthrope

Unit of Termagants/w 2 devourers, 8 fleshborers
2 units of Termagants/w 1 devourer, 9 fleshborers


Unit of hive guard/w 6x impaler cannon
Unit of hive guard/w 3x impaler cannon






Edited the list to double battalion for more CP.

Pyrovores at 25 points...
Playable pyrovores... i never thought i would see this day.

we have a lot more options now. Almost everything there might now have some use. However Swarmlord is now 20 pts more expensive than a Flyrant. At that cost you're basically punishing yourself if you don't take him, and that kinda sucks.

 SHUPPET wrote:
we have a lot more options now. Almost everything there might now have some use. However Swarmlord is now 20 pts more expensive than a Flyrant. At that cost you're basically punishing yourself if you don't take him, and that kinda sucks.

They are really different units, you can't compare them. Swarmy is somewhat comparable to a walkrant, where you have a 70 point difference on a model that does a lot more stuff but has the same durability. Sure, swarmy now is good.

Wow those points drops. Broodlord is defo worth taking now for essential a neurothrop with a blender attatched for 20 points.

We've got people saying they think the malanthropes been reverted to original codex cost since its not shown in this years CA.

Fingers crossed, though I don't believe that to be the case. 140 is too high in my opinion but 90 was too low as well.

I have been wanting to use a tyranid prime with 2 full 9 broods of warriors for ages now and with a total 78 points drop for them they might be viable. Also Harpy down 30 pts effectively with the 2 HVC... again might be something to look into.

Great news all around. I'm really happy for that dude running the old school Nid Warrior army.

Spoletta wrote:
Pyrovores at 25 points...
Playable pyrovores... i never thought i would see this day.

If you where a WAAC player they were the single greatest model in the 6/7 Tyranids codex and in the entire game b.c it was a miss type in wording that said "if it is kill by ID, every unit suffers hit for each model within D6 range" So.... every unit will take X amount of hits for how many models are within X range... We asked FW to faq it and they didnt. Every tournament FAQ re-wording it to the correct way. When this came out Typhus had a somewhat similar ability (tho it was buffs not damage) and GW faq that instantly, so it had a precedence in place already.

Someone did this at a major GT, they allowed it just for that 1 GT and never again lol you might be able to dig it up and find it still.


Joking aside, i too might be playing Pyrovores now, at least for fun games.

If the leaks are legit my army just saved 144 points on Venom Cannons. Another 20 on HQs.

Which is a bit weird. Venom Cannons stat-out like Impaler Cannons, the only difference being Ignoring LOS and Cover, and Impalers are Heavy instead of Assault. Those are big, but not 18 points big, imo.

Not like I'm complaining though.

Biovores 50
Brooldlord 115
Exocrine 170
Harpy 105
Hive Crone 135
Haruspex 170
Flyrant 190
Lictor 30
Maleceptor 150
Neurothrope 90
Pyrovores 25
Tervigon 180
Toxicrene 140
Tyranid Prime 70
Tyrannoctye 75
Tyrannofex 151
Deathleaper 60
The Red Terror 50
Swarmlord 250
HVC 18
Massive ST 2 pairs (Trygons) 40
StC 15
Venom C 12

 Insectum7 wrote:
If the leaks are legit my army just saved 144 points on Venom Cannons. Another 20 on HQs.

Which is a bit weird. Venom Cannons stat-out like Impaler Cannons, the only difference being Ignoring LOS and Cover, and Impalers are Heavy instead of Assault. Those are big, but not 18 points big, imo.

Not like I'm complaining though.

Impaler Cannons also are native BS3+.

Tyran wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
If the leaks are legit my army just saved 144 points on Venom Cannons. Another 20 on HQs.

Which is a bit weird. Venom Cannons stat-out like Impaler Cannons, the only difference being Ignoring LOS and Cover, and Impalers are Heavy instead of Assault. Those are big, but not 18 points big, imo.

Not like I'm complaining though.

Impaler Cannons also are native BS3+.

It's a little controversial whether the cost is in the gun or the guy, but sure. My VCs are always Primed for a 3+, anyways. Still, you have a 30 point gun vs.a 12 point gun doing much the same task, essentially.

Being able to shoot without LOS and ignore cover is easily worth double points on a weapon if it has a range of 24" or higher.

WIth primes now being our cheapest HQ, the warriors being 91 for a min squad with swords deathspitters glands and venom cannons doesn't look so bad for a troop.

How does Warriors look with a Trygon entrance? Not for charging as everyone expects, but to drop a flanking shooting blob with some serious wounds and shooting....not to mention synapsis.

Has anyone had any luck ?

Take as Behemoth with AG's and why not also charge? 8" charge re-rolling isnt that bad of chances, and for 9pts (1per guy) I think its worth the chance.

Im excited, i want to try Warriors again, but the SoB beta is coming out so idk what i will be playing lol

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Take as Behemoth with AG's and why not also charge? 8" charge re-rolling isnt that bad of chances, and for 9pts (1per guy) I think its worth the chance.

Im excited, i want to try Warriors again, but the SoB beta is coming out so idk what i will be playing lol

Also look at Jormangandr Ravager+ Warriors with Adrenals. Leviathan Warriors are feeling the love as well.

I think a big thing is between buffs to Trygons, Tyrannofexen, Harpies, and even Exocrine, while also receiving the addition of Abominants lately (even for people who don't want to paint up a Neophyte battalion, 3 Abominants alone is enough for a SupCom detachment is probably strong), AT is no longer tight for Nids, and we may no longer be forced into Hive Guard every game, and as such can use SMA on something else for more Dakka. Double shooting Devilgants is the obvious choice especially since delivering them is getting the most out of one of the aforementioned units (150 pt Trygons).

Red Terror is now just 50 points. Can you use him in jormungandr to deliver stuff? He has the Ravener Keyword.

As a person who has been running double Tyrannofex, a Trygon, and the Swarmlord I couldn't be happier with these point drops.

 SHUPPET wrote:
I think a big thing is between buffs to Trygons, Tyrannofexen, Harpies, and even Exocrine, while also receiving the addition of Abominants lately (even for people who don't want to paint up a Neophyte battalion, 3 Abominants alone is enough for a SupCom detachment is probably strong), AT is no longer tight for Nids, and we may no longer be forced into Hive Guard every game, and as such can use SMA on something else for more Dakka. Double shooting Devilgants is the obvious choice especially since delivering them is getting the most out of one of the aforementioned units (150 pt Trygons).

Don't forget the huge drop on the broodlord. At 115 he is a serious beatstick, it can open a dreadnaught in a single fight or die and kill it anyway for 2 CP.
All this while also providing synapse, psy support and buffs to stealers.

What i'm also really excited for are the lictors and deathleaper. At that cost you can have a vanguard detachment of DL + 5 lictors at 234 points.
That's quite cheap for the absurd amount of disruption it generates!

Whats the point of that Vanguard tho? Lictors still are only 3 attacks. They dont do anything but get in the way for 1/10 a turn. Even if you can charge a T3, 5+ save character with 5wounds, you cant kill it in 1 turn of combat, it will take 2 turns. Without anything stopping them being allow to fall back its nothing to walk away and shoot you, as you only have 4wounds 5+sv.

Now, if you wanted a Brigade, i can understand having them for +7CP, they can be used to charge tanks, and now they are somewhat "ok" but Pryvores would be better IMO, as they can counter Hordes a bit and you save 15pts for a Brigade.

Spoletta wrote:


What i'm also really excited for are the lictors and deathleaper. At that cost you can have a vanguard detachment of DL + 5 lictors at 234 points.
That's quite cheap for the absurd amount of disruption it generates!

Yeah these guys are looking extremely fun right now. Especially the deathleaper.

Spoletta wrote:

What i'm also really excited for are the lictors and deathleaper. At that cost you can have a vanguard detachment of DL + 5 lictors at 234 points.
That's quite cheap for the absurd amount of disruption it generates!

Rule of 3 means 5 lictors aren't really going to make it into matched play. They're cheaper, but still 1 per slot.

Arson Fire wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

What i'm also really excited for are the lictors and deathleaper. At that cost you can have a vanguard detachment of DL + 5 lictors at 234 points.
That's quite cheap for the absurd amount of disruption it generates!

Rule of 3 means 5 lictors aren't really going to make it into matched play. They're cheaper, but still 1 per slot.

...You are right

Too bad, i wanted to reenact our old formations

I was gonna take custodes, but decided to take nids to LVO instead. Pyrovores really need a box kit with biovores like hive guard get. spent way too much on the ones I bought.