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It's sad when everyone around - wolfies/Dark angels and even sisters have their leaks/rumors and BA have nothing to talk about.
I guess it would be that much bland release for Blood angels.
I had some hopes for new miniatures, but with this Angels of death style release apparently nothing more than upgrade sprue is coming.
Another year *sigh*
Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
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Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
I'm with you, the constant whining about multiple SM codices is getting annoying.
And I second the Primaris cc unit, hell, I'd even go so far as to say Death Company Primaris - those guys would wreak havoc.
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Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
I'm with you, the constant whining about multiple SM codices is getting annoying.
And I second the Primaris cc unit, hell, I'd even go so far as to say Death Company Primaris - those guys would wreak havoc.
Death Company Primaris would be AMAZING! Bring a unit of them out of a Black Repulsor with a red "X" on it. That would be the best.
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Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
I'm with you, the constant whining about multiple SM codices is getting annoying.
And I second the Primaris cc unit, hell, I'd even go so far as to say Death Company Primaris - those guys would wreak havoc.
Death Company Primaris would be AMAZING! Bring a unit of them out of a Black Repulsor with a red "X" on it. That would be the best.
*vomits uncontrollably*
To be honest, if we manage to only receive a couple of nerfs I'll take that, but only because we're used to so much worse.
I'm 100% faithful our chapter tactic is gonna be about as cool as sweaty joggers socks.
Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
I'm with you, the constant whining about multiple SM codices is getting annoying.
And I second the Primaris cc unit, hell, I'd even go so far as to say Death Company Primaris - those guys would wreak havoc.
Death Company Primaris would be AMAZING! Bring a unit of them out of a Black Repulsor with a red "X" on it. That would be the best.
Apparently Primaris do not suffer from the Black Rage or Red Thirst, so can't be Death Company.
It was apparently asked in regards to Flesh Tearers having Primaris and that was the answer given.
Doesn't mean there won't be a CC Primaris unit mind you, just throwing that part out there.
Truthfully if I had to wishlist things, I think a Primaris "Legionnaire" styled unit of Primaris wearing Gravis Armor and rocking tower shields with pikes and short swords could be pretty cool.
Bremon wrote: So if they have jump packs they can shoot the plasma pistols they’d be able to shoot in combat anyway, and if they have anything besides pistols the only thing falling back and charging affects is a potential bonus attack on the charge, or zig zagging to different enemy units?
Slinky wrote: If you can fall back and charge then you can shoot at the enemy unit with the whole rest of your army, then charge in again to "lock" them in combat, so they have to fall back in their turn.
OK, so that is 3 potential benefit situations. We can sling-shot from one combat to the next. This makes out elite CC squads almost impossible to tarpit and means that screens or bubble-wrap will slow us down for only 1 turn at worst.
Any squads armed with non-pistol weapons get a boost to firepower. Even something simple like SB/CS Veterans become quite a blender unit.
DC obviously get charge bonuses which is nice but even non-DC will get to strike first against most opponents.
If we are really lucky, maybe Death Masks will do something useful like negate Overwatch (OK, wishful thinking, I admit ).
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Kanluwen wrote: Apparently Primaris do not suffer from the Black Rage or Red Thirst, so can't be Death Company.
It was apparently asked in regards to Flesh Tearers having Primaris and that was the answer given.
Doesn't mean there won't be a CC Primaris unit mind you, just throwing that part out there.
Truthfully if I had to wishlist things, I think a Primaris "Legionnaire" styled unit of Primaris wearing Gravis Armor and rocking tower shields with pikes and short swords could be pretty cool.
You got a source/quote for that bit about the Black Rage and Red Thirst, Kan?
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
I would like to see the Primaris 'not suffering' from Black Rage/Red Thirst turns out to be a delayed onset--Cawl's attempts to fix the gene seed only turned out to result in a temporary 'cure'. Goes well with the grimdark and would show that Cawl isn't able to magically fix everything.
But who am I kidding...
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Kanluwen wrote: Apparently Primaris do not suffer from the Black Rage or Red Thirst, so can't be Death Company.
It was apparently asked in regards to Flesh Tearers having Primaris and that was the answer given.
Doesn't mean there won't be a CC Primaris unit mind you, just throwing that part out there.
Truthfully if I had to wishlist things, I think a Primaris "Legionnaire" styled unit of Primaris wearing Gravis Armor and rocking tower shields with pikes and short swords could be pretty cool.
You got a source/quote for that bit about the Black Rage and Red Thirst, Kan?
The Legionnaire idea is an interesting one, btw.
I wish I could remember exactly where I'd read it; I want to say it was second hand commentary of something that Andy Smillie had said at an event when he got asked if he was going to write about Primaris Flesh Tearers sometime soon?
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NinthMusketeer wrote: I would like to see the Primaris 'not suffering' from Black Rage/Red Thirst turns out to be a delayed onset--Cawl's attempts to fix the gene seed only turned out to result in a temporary 'cure'. Goes well with the grimdark and would show that Cawl isn't able to magically fix everything.
But who am I kidding...
I like the idea of them being free from it and the Sons of Sanguinius eventually becoming the whole "noble hero" trope again...only for everything to go horribly awry when they get accused of something that their non-Primaris brethren did way back in the day.
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NinthMusketeer wrote: I would like to see the Primaris 'not suffering' from Black Rage/Red Thirst turns out to be a delayed onset--Cawl's attempts to fix the gene seed only turned out to result in a temporary 'cure'. Goes well with the grimdark and would show that Cawl isn't able to magically fix everything.
But who am I kidding...
In the Dark Imperium novel, there is specific reference to Cawl opting to not trying to fix some Legion-specific geneseed flaws, believing they were there for a purpose or doing so would counteract some other aspect of that geneseed lineages design. So it's more like Cawl restored missing organs and such, but things like the BA flaws and the Canis Helix were left alone.
Alendrel wrote: In the Dark Imperium novel, there is specific reference to Cawl opting to not trying to fix some Legion-specific geneseed flaws, believing they were there for a purpose or doing so would counteract some other aspect of that geneseed lineages design. So it's more like Cawl restored missing organs and such, but things like the BA flaws and the Canis Helix were left alone.
That exchange is a little ambiguous. Cawl seemed to be implying that he had fixed the flaws in the 6th and 9th Legion geneseed without eradicating their character entirely. Taken at face value, Space Wolves would retain their heightened senses but would no longer risk their recruits turning into werewolves. Similarly I would assume the BAs retain their speed and hunger for combat without the risk of vamping out or going mad.
Of course whether Cawl has been as successful as he thinks remains to be seen. If Dark Imperium showed anything, it is that his intellect is exceeded only by his arrogance.
I stand between the darkness and the light. Between the candle and the star.
Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
I'm with you, the constant whining about multiple SM codices is getting annoying.
And I second the Primaris cc unit, hell, I'd even go so far as to say Death Company Primaris - those guys would wreak havoc.
Codex bloat IS a thing and both the Angels chapters don't have enough unique items that it warrants a codex each.
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vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
As much as Death Company Primaris would be amazing I don't think it's ever going to happen, or if it does it'll be years from now. I heard that Primaris were cured too, though I can't remember where from. But even without that there are too many other things that need new models, and don't forget GW doesn't seem to like Blood Angels anymore looking at how they've been going rules wise lately.
I'm clearly a little salty haha, but only because I've been hearing all the cool things Dark Angels are getting again while Blood Angels sit in the corner as usual.
Anyhow, that's my whinge.
Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
I'm with you, the constant whining about multiple SM codices is getting annoying.
And I second the Primaris cc unit, hell, I'd even go so far as to say Death Company Primaris - those guys would wreak havoc.
Codex bloat IS a thing and both the Angels chapters don't have enough unique items that it warrants a codex each.
You're completely right, having roughly the same amount of special units as the Space Wolves certainly doesn't warrant it's own book. Thank you for such an insightful response.
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I just want to complain that the new blood angels dex is (will be) underpowered. Also i want to (re)add the rumour that the blood angels will get a frankenstein techmarine with an ogryn servitor. Put me on the rumour tracker?
Frankenberry wrote: You're completely right, having roughly the same amount of special units as the Space Wolves certainly doesn't warrant it's own book. Thank you for such an insightful response.
It's slayer-fan. He's second only to Martel with salt and vitriol along with his way is the only view that matters or is correct.
Check his post history if you don't believe me.
Still anxiously anticipating something cool or interesting next week after the Tyranids codex drops.
Take it easy for now.
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Frankenberry wrote: You're completely right, having roughly the same amount of special units as the Space Wolves certainly doesn't warrant it's own book. Thank you for such an insightful response.
It's slayer-fan. He's second only to Martel with salt and vitriol along with his way is the only view that matters or is correct.
Check his post history if you don't believe me.
Still anxiously anticipating something cool or interesting next week after the Tyranids codex drops.
Take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
I don't play Blood Angels. I'm just saying they've sucked for most of their existence simply because of the insistence to keep them as a separate codex. Or would you like to argue in their favor in tournaments?
Frankenberry wrote: Gotta love the trolls that think BA and DA are basically different colored Ultramarines, they always decide to appear in threads like these.
Nobody thinks that but question is are they distinct enough for own codex rather than being in main codex. Or do YOU think white scars are just different coloured Ultramarines?
Like it or not though force of tradition protects them from being joined to regular marine codex for better or worse. It has bad habit of leaving those chapters vastly different power levels. DA in particular has several times been basically testbed and outpowered by later released marine codex. Sometimes with totally weird stuff like stormshields that had 4++ rather than 3++ other chapters got. This would be avoided if they were in same codex.
Do you play any of the armies discussed here?
Let's see. Space wolves, IG, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Orks. Think that covers my 40k armies.
Can you answer the question? Are white scars different coloured ultramarines? If not then clearly you can have chapters that aren't different coloured ultramarines in same codex as ultramarines so it would technically be feasible to have DA/BA there as well which would ensure they would be roughly similar in power levels and work on same logic more likely than now ensuring you don't end up with dark angel storm shields with 4++ rather than 3++ "just for reasons".
Only Space Wolves and Grey Knights have any excuse for being in a ddifferent codex.
You could make the argument on Deathwatch being rolled on in but nah.
Don't hate. BA was one of the first chapters that got its own look and feel. It does deserve it's own codex. And really, does it matter? If you don't play BA then don't worry.
This. Let's give the doesn't need a Codex crap a rest. Since 8th dropped they have been updating points and such across all books and we have Chapter Approved once a year now to. The whole 4++/3++ Storm Shields issue won't happen again.
Back to Blood Angels, I'm hoping for more than just an upgrade kit, but I won't hold my breath. There really needs to be a Primaris close combat unit. That's just what I need to be coaxed into picking up a Repulsor.
I'm with you, the constant whining about multiple SM codices is getting annoying.
And I second the Primaris cc unit, hell, I'd even go so far as to say Death Company Primaris - those guys would wreak havoc.
Codex bloat IS a thing and both the Angels chapters don't have enough unique items that it warrants a codex each.
You're completely right, having roughly the same amount of special units as the Space Wolves certainly doesn't warrant it's own book. Thank you for such an insightful response.
Honestly now that the Apothecary has its own Character entry, you've got Death Company (which is a unique unit to totally keep) and then Honour Guard with Jump Packs. It's not a lot. Is having your own codex really worth not functioning in the game?
Also Space Wolves have an entirely more unique unit selection. I don't know what codex you're looking at.
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CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Well, I am hoping that Blood Angels don't end up being crap like 3/7(Imperial Fists, White Scars, and Black Templars) of the Chapters in Codex Space Marines. I do think that they still have enough unique units and characters to warrant their own Codex, but I would like to see some unique Primaris units. A Furioso Redemptor Dreadnought, a Librarian Redemptor Dreadnought, Death Company Reivers, etc. Most of these things can be accomplished with an additional Sprue or some unique rules. Give us back our Lucifer Pattern Engines and make sure they do something useful (perhaps make it so BA tanks can advance and shoot Heavy Weapons and Rapid Fire Weapons, and don't take a penalty for firing Assault Weapons after advancing).
I also REALLY want to see Dante as more than just a beatstick. The dude is supposed to be the most capable Commander in the entire Imperium.
Again a small minor conversion.
The backpack, left shoulder pad and the helmet is from the Death Company box. I also painted him in DC colours.
While Primaris are not effected by the Black Curse of the Blood Angels I decided that some Reivers will paint their armour as DC to honour their brothers.
Where the Intercessors are the battle line heavy infantry of the Primaris Astartes, the Reivers are elite assault specialists given special training and wargear.
Reivers are masters of terror tactics, breaking from stealth in a cacophony of Bolter fire, grenade detonations and guttural, Vox-amplified roars.
The description its to DCIMO too! For transfers I used Forge World BA.
I also REALLY want to see Dante as more than just a beatstick. The dude is supposed to be the most capable Commander in the entire Imperium.
And Shrike is supposed to be one of the most capable guerilla warfare specialists the Imperium has at their disposal, yet he and his Chapter of guerilla warriors have been reduced to "jump packs and hard to hit".
Again a small minor conversion.
The backpack, left shoulder pad and the helmet is from the Death Company box. I also painted him in DC colours.
While Primaris are not effected by the Black Curse of the Blood Angels I decided that some Reivers will paint their armour as DC to honour their brothers.
Where the Intercessors are the battle line heavy infantry of the Primaris Astartes, the Reivers are elite assault specialists given special training and wargear.
Reivers are masters of terror tactics, breaking from stealth in a cacophony of Bolter fire, grenade detonations and guttural, Vox-amplified roars.
The description its to DCIMO too! For transfers I used Forge World BA.
Great conversion and story, but Reivers do not cut it as a dedicated CC unit. We need a proper Assault Primaris squad with power weapon options and assault weapons, and jump pack maneuverability.
Skullhammer wrote: You forgot furioso dreads, dc dreads, libby dreads and baal preds all are unique units plus 3 named characters.
Which could be put in same book though. They are on own book due to force of history ensuring they never will be aboup same power level to other marines but marines+-1
Lord Dante, commander of the Host Mephiston, the Lord of Death Lemartes, Guardian of the Lost The Sanguinor Astorath the Grim High Priest Corbulo Librarian Dreadnoughts Death Company Dreadnoughts Furioso Dreadnoughts Baal Predators Death Company Sanguinary Guard Unique wargear for Tactical Squads & Devastator Squads (Hand Flamers, Inferno Pistols, Heavy Flamers) Unique wargear for Assault Squads (Meltaguns and Plasma Guns, plus Hand Flamers and Inferno Pistols) Unique options for Apothecary/Sanguinary High Priests & Company Champions (Jump Packs) Unique wargear and options for Company Veteran Squads (Jump Packs, Hand Flamers and Inferno Pistols) Unique wargear for all non named characters (Inferno Pistols & Hand Flamers), plus an extra piece of wargear available to some specific characters (Death Masks)
No access to a lot of other units that standard space marines have access to.
I think that's enough different to justify having their own book, not to mention they've always had their own book, and unless something drastic happens, always will be in their own book.
Asking for or claiming they should be rolled into the standard marine codex with Dark Angels or any other chapter is simply not going to happen, and frankly ignorant on the part of the people asking.
Seriously, grow up and find something else to gripe / moan / whinge / about. This crap got old 10+ years ago, and the fact that you're STILL beating this dead horse now that it's down to a skeleton says something, don't you think?
Take it easy.
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You don't know me son, so I'll explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.
Maybe you guys should make a separate thread about BA not deserving a codex... I came here for rumors and/or more information about the codex coming out, which I think is the purpose of this thread... I don't know maybe I'm wrong?
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about. This crap got old 10+ years ago, and the fact that you're STILL beating this dead horse now that it's down to a skeleton says something, don't you think?