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 Voidwraith wrote:
FWIW, the guys at Frontlinegaming, who are tournament minded folks, have seen the codex and say BA players will be happy. I'm unsure how exactly to take that, but I'm overall optimistic.

Yeah, but their Chapter Approved review (which they have, given they are part of GWs playtesters specifically brought in to cover the tournament crowd for which GW has little to no in-house expertise) also says the Dakka Dakka Stratagem for Orks is the bee’s knees.

Back in their Space Marine Codex review, which again they had a hand in playtesting, they were pretty excited about how crushingly good White Scars are (which is a cc-focussed Chapter Tactic to boot).

FLG’s opinion means nothing to me. In fact, I’d have an easier time believing the opposite of what they say; they sang the praises of index BA. Simply ridiculous.

 Voidwraith wrote:
FWIW, the guys at Frontlinegaming, who are tournament minded folks, have seen the codex and say BA players will be happy. I'm unsure how exactly to take that, but I'm overall optimistic.

I love what those guys do for the community, don't get me wrong, but they have been hit or miss especially when concerning Blood Angels. I've talked to some people that have seen the dex. We'll be back to being the best close combat marine army and have a unique play style which I'm excited for.

I really thought we would see a Blood Angels article on the community page today. Guess it isn't happening. :(

 Voidwraith wrote:
FWIW, the guys at Frontlinegaming, who are tournament minded folks, have seen the codex and say BA players will be happy. I'm unsure how exactly to take that, but I'm overall optimistic.

Yeah, those guys are idiots. From their review of 8th and on they are nothing but GW sycophants. I like a lot of what GW has been doing with 8th BUT it's certainly not perfect in any way, shape, or form and it's ok to say that, but those guys's business is totally based on GW sales so of course they will say nothing but positives which just makes them lack any credibility in my opinion.

But back to the blood angels topic, I really think they need some heavy duty CC help in the form of rules. From decent of angels, their CT, and red thirst, and some changes to units wargear, prices, and maybe even stats.

I don't know if this has been said or not, but on a positive note, in the leaked chapter approved, inferno pistols, and hand flamers came way down in price. 20 to 11, and 8 to 3. So i think with that we can expect angelus boltguns and encarmine weapons to come way down too which is big. Hopefully Blood Talons are fixed to actually do something better or different than Fists too...

The only reason I woke up today was the though of me reading Blood angels faction focus.
And now the day ruined.
Whyyyyyyyyyyy GW whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/27/chapter-focus-blood-angels/

You’ll now be able to escort your flyers into battle alongside the Stormhawk Interceptor, transport scouts into the heart of battle aboard Land Speeder Storms, or unleash the might of ancient technologies from the Horus Heresy, like the Contemptor Dreadnought as well as Cataphractii and Tartaros pattern Terminators.

That 5+ cp relic is pretty tastey, its one of the main reasons i run my custom chapter as ultramarines...

might consider a switch now.

I like what I'm seeing.

Of course I'm sure one of you will tell me I'm wrong.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
I like what I'm seeing.

Of course I'm sure one of you will tell me I'm wrong.

Power Armoured bodys suck at meele! Assault Marines can't assault things and kill them in one turn! Plasma spam makes Terminators suck ass! Yadda yadda!

Thank you. It simply isn't a Blood Angel thread without Dark Angel levels of angst.

Man, Red thirst is legit.

+1 to wound roll is way better than +1S

And works on charge or BEING charged.

Nice.

Was hoping Wings would be more like warptime but I like what I see so far.

As someone mainly interested in Blood Angels for their variant Dreadnoughts, I'm already impressed.

The Red Thirst - I thought the new Primaris had removed the flaws in the gene seed?

 Mr Morden wrote:
The Red Thirst - I thought the new Primaris had removed the flaws in the gene seed?

Is just that they are trying really hard to fit with the rest.

Seems they never fall to the rage but do have the red thirst.

Bremon wrote:
Was hoping Wings would be more like warptime but I like what I see so far.

Erm, what are you talking about? Wings is massively better than warptime. As a chaos player I'm jealous.

Edit: Oops, misread and didn't realize that it's self-cast only. Still pretty damn good on a librarian dread.

So, maybe I missed it...what is the Chapter Trait? Is it just the Red Thirst?

 Elbows wrote:
So, maybe I missed it...what is the Chapter Trait? Is it just the Red Thirst?

Red Thirst is a special rule, like Disgusting Resilient (That basically everything will have, I assume, barring vehicles and flyers and maybe thinks like Centurions). It is not their Chapter Trait.

 Galas wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
So, maybe I missed it...what is the Chapter Trait? Is it just the Red Thirst?

Red Thirst is a special rule, like Disgusting Resilient (That basically everything will have, I assume, barring vehicles and flyers and maybe thinks like Centurions). It is not their Chapter Trait.

The article says:

"The Red Thirst gives all Blood Angels units +1 to wound when they charge, are charged or make a Heroic Intervention." (emphasis added)

Obviously that could be wrong, but as written it suggests that Blood Angels tanks are unusually good at running people over too.

So, did they not leak the Chapter Trait?

What would actually be pretty cool is if the Blood Angels codex had a different Chapter Trait for the Blood Angels themselves, and then a couple listed for their successor chapters.

 Asmodai wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
So, maybe I missed it...what is the Chapter Trait? Is it just the Red Thirst?

Red Thirst is a special rule, like Disgusting Resilient (That basically everything will have, I assume, barring vehicles and flyers and maybe thinks like Centurions). It is not their Chapter Trait.

The article says:

"The Red Thirst gives all Blood Angels units +1 to wound when they charge, are charged or make a Heroic Intervention." (emphasis added)

Obviously that could be wrong, but as written it suggests that Blood Angels tanks are unusually good at running people over too.

It will give "All blood angels units" that have that rule. I doubt Tanks and Flyers will have that rule. Disgusting Resilient gives too "All Death Guard Units a +5 FNP". But not every Death Guard unit has that rule. Of course I can be totally wrong and as you said, Blood Angels Tanks are good at rolling people over

 Arachnofiend wrote:

Bremon wrote:
Was hoping Wings would be more like warptime but I like what I see so far.

Erm, what are you talking about? Wings is massively better than warptime. As a chaos player I'm jealous.

Edit: Oops, misread and didn't realize that it's self-cast only. Still pretty damn good on a librarian dread.

Yeah, the self-cast is what I’m talking about. Sort of pigeon holes it into specific uses.

 Elbows wrote:
So, did they not leake the Chapter Trait?

What would actually be pretty cool is if the Blood Angels codex had a different Chapter Trait for the Blood Angels themselves, and then a couple listed for their successor chapters.

They don't get a "Chapter Trait" in the sense you seem to be wanting. They have special rules. This is the army-wide one:

Black Rage is a separate ability that we haven't seen yet, exactly, but it gets called out 2 times.
Here

 Ghaz wrote:

You’ll now be able to escort your flyers into battle alongside the Stormhawk Interceptor, transport scouts into the heart of battle aboard Land Speeder Storms, or unleash the might of ancient technologies from the Horus Heresy, like the Contemptor Dreadnought as well as Cataphractii and Tartaros pattern Terminators.

If BA keep stealing all the unique Codex SM stuff, can we at least get heavy flamers in tactical squads and melta/plasma in assault squads in return?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

You’ll now be able to escort your flyers into battle alongside the Stormhawk Interceptor, transport scouts into the heart of battle aboard Land Speeder Storms, or unleash the might of ancient technologies from the Horus Heresy, like the Contemptor Dreadnought as well as Cataphractii and Tartaros pattern Terminators.

If BA keep stealing all the unique Codex SM stuff, can we at least get heavy flamers in tactical squads and melta/plasma in assault squads in return?

Sure. Provided you give the Storm Raven back.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

You’ll now be able to escort your flyers into battle alongside the Stormhawk Interceptor, transport scouts into the heart of battle aboard Land Speeder Storms, or unleash the might of ancient technologies from the Horus Heresy, like the Contemptor Dreadnought as well as Cataphractii and Tartaros pattern Terminators.

If BA keep stealing all the unique Codex SM stuff, can we at least get heavy flamers in tactical squads and melta/plasma in assault squads in return?

sorry.. had to.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

You’ll now be able to escort your flyers into battle alongside the Stormhawk Interceptor, transport scouts into the heart of battle aboard Land Speeder Storms, or unleash the might of ancient technologies from the Horus Heresy, like the Contemptor Dreadnought as well as Cataphractii and Tartaros pattern Terminators.

If BA keep stealing all the unique Codex SM stuff, can we at least get heavy flamers in tactical squads and melta/plasma in assault squads in return?

Keep stealing?This was the debt for ripping off the stormravens and "ironclad" dredanoughts.
It is the BA that are one step back of a vanila SM.

 Elbows wrote:
So, did they not leak the Chapter Trait?

What would actually be pretty cool is if the Blood Angels codex had a different Chapter Trait for the Blood Angels themselves, and then a couple listed for their successor chapters.

Pretty sure it is the chapter trait, even if it isn't explicitly labelled that anywhere.

But the preview article also goes on to say that successors use Red Thirst and the other BA rules as well.


It certainly ranks up well against other chapter traits. Usable on attack and defense is good, and adjusting the S vs T comparison is a big deal.


From the shown stratagem, I'd guess that Black Rage is a 6++ save, like disgustingly resilient. Maybe also a combat bonus of some sort.