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Canoness Veridyan is a new SOB model.

Greyfag is also a SOB before she become Inquisitor.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's quite the overreaction to a Fakeit rumor.

I was bored at work had nothing else to do.


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 Lance845 wrote:
4/36 chance, with reasonable simplified math, is a 1/9 chance. Calling it 4/36 to make it seem worse than it is is like calling it a 12/108 chance. "96 out of 108 times it will fail!" Also... 8 out of 9. Not the worst.

How many Tson units in a list can cast powers? How many powers do you think your generally casting a turn? A game?

Take a stats class and they will explain to you why you dont say 4/36 is the same as 1/9. Mostly because it isn't.

What? They are literally the same.

No they aren't the probablity of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 1 in 9 is different then the probably of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 4 in 36.






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Bremon wrote:
...take a stats class...to better understand why certain rules don’t favour someone else’s army in a tabletop war game? Truly compelling discourse in favour of a buff to Magnus’ dust pharaohs.

Where did I say "boof muh armi"? I said the stuff was crap cause it is, but thats not asking for a buff. If I did ask for something it would be an actual Legion Trait since we are the only ones left without one.

 Galas wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I think its more likely that Custodes, Sister of Silence, Ministorum, Sisters of Battle, Assassins and Inquisition will all be one book.

Knight I could see as staying their own.

Can I dream about SoB being the last Codex released for 8th, with a new nice plastic range to go with it?

Can I?

Plastic sisters in 2025, that is the estimated sales time to clear the amount of metal sisters still in gw were house

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
No they aren't the probablity of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 1 in 9 is different then the probably of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 4 in 36.

Are you saying a probability of 1/9 is different than a probability of 4/36?

- Khorne Daemonkin
- Crimson Slaughter
- hopefully another non-Heresy Chaos-variant (Red Corsairs?) to balance things out if/when they do Emperor's Children

fresus wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
No they aren't the probablity of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 1 in 9 is different then the probably of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 4 in 36.

Are you saying a probability of 1/9 is different than a probability of 4/36?

Looks like Mr. Maths Wizard here is gunning for the Abel Prize by showing you plebs that equivalent fractions are, in fact, unequivalent.

 Thud wrote:

fresus wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
No they aren't the probablity of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 1 in 9 is different then the probably of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 4 in 36.

Are you saying a probability of 1/9 is different than a probability of 4/36?

Looks like Mr. Maths Wizard here is gunning for the Abel Prize by showing you plebs that equivalent fractions are, in fact, unequivalent.

You're lying if you say you don't want to see the mental gymnastics there.

 Lance845 wrote:
4/36 chance, with reasonable simplified math, is a 1/9 chance. Calling it 4/36 to make it seem worse than it is is like calling it a 12/108 chance. "96 out of 108 times it will fail!" Also... 8 out of 9. Not the worst.

How many Tson units in a list can cast powers? How many powers do you think your generally casting a turn? A game?

Take a stats class and they will explain to you why you dont say 4/36 is the same as 1/9. Mostly because it isn't.

What? They are literally the same.

No they aren't the probablity of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 1 in 9 is different then the probably of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 4 in 36.

Which doesn’t apply in a dice game because there is no such thing as a fixed set of “successes”. 1/9 and 4/36 is relevant if your possible results are a closed set of possibilities such as a card game in which the deck is not reshuffled every play. Using dice which can give you any result any number of times in a row there is no difference between 1/9 and 4/36 because it resets every time you roll the dice. Only BAD gamblers think they’ll have an increased chance based on the # of failures in their previous rolls.

There is a reason why Magic the Gathering probability and 40k probability are different animals.

Wonderwolf wrote:
- Khorne Daemonkin
- Crimson Slaughter
- hopefully another non-Heresy Chaos-variant (Red Corsairs?) to balance things out if/when they do Emperor's Children

I can't see any of them getting a codex. Crimson Slaughter have never had a codex, they were a supplement and may turn up in a future campaign book but have no chance of being a codex, same goes for some other Heretic Astartes codex. Khorn Daemonkin came into being to support the plastic Bloodthirster, by accident it became a rather good and fun way to run a Khorn themed army. Unlike the other two, whilst I wouldn't say it was guaranteed they wont get a codex, I wouldn't bet on it.

Chopstick wrote:
Canoness Veridyan is a new SOB model.

Greyfag is also a SOB before she become Inquisitor.

Canoness Veridyan also has no rules, and unless I'm wrong is already no longer available?

Greyfax is an inquisitor. It doesn't matter what she used to be, it's kind of hilarious that you're going for the "Shut up, you got a lady miniature!" route here.

And Canoness Viridian is a Webstore Exclusive Resin model. Not a plastic model. We can only pray the fact this initially limited edition model is still available means GW will actually someday put out plastic sisters.

Oh look, another thread sabotaged by Sisters nonsense...

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
Where did I say "boof muh armi"? I said the stuff was crap cause it is, but thats not asking for a buff. If I did ask for something it would be an actual Legion Trait since we are the only ones left without one.

“This stuff is crap” is more equivalent to “I want better” than 4/36 is to 1/9

the_scotsman wrote:


Canoness Veridyan also has no rules, and unless I'm wrong is already no longer available?

Took me 5 second to type in the name on the webstore to answer that question
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan

Greyfax is an inquisitor. It doesn't matter what she used to be, it's kind of hilarious that you're going for the "Shut up, you got a lady miniature!" route here.

What I meant is you can literally use Greyfax as a canoness, she have the SOB armor, she have the SOB hair, she have the correct Canoness loadout. She is a canoness without any conversion required. And this is the only model with the Condemer Boltgun. I didn't tell you to "Shut up you got a female miniature" It's just you telling yourself that.

I could make a better complain about Eldar receive 0 new model and those from Gathering Storm do not fit to replace anything in an CWE/DE army, the aesthetic and armor do not match the army, the loadout is awful, the base of Yvraine is too big,... But I didn't. But I would be happy if GW make a not-Eldar character but with everything match an CWE/DE character, you know, like Greyfax.

I’ll say it. Except for the stratagem those are terrible for the thousand sons.

 Imateria wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
- Khorne Daemonkin
- Crimson Slaughter
- hopefully another non-Heresy Chaos-variant (Red Corsairs?) to balance things out if/when they do Emperor's Children

I can't see any of them getting a codex. Crimson Slaughter have never had a codex, they were a supplement and may turn up in a future campaign book but have no chance of being a codex, same goes for some other Heretic Astartes codex. Khorn Daemonkin came into being to support the plastic Bloodthirster, by accident it became a rather good and fun way to run a Khorn themed army. Unlike the other two, whilst I wouldn't say it was guaranteed they wont get a codex, I wouldn't bet on it.

Codexes dedicated to each Chaos Power would have been great - sigh - I guess they will just keep churning out the (different) Marines dexes instead.

What I meant is you can literally use Greyfax as a canoness, she have the SOB armor, she have the SOB hair, she have the correct Canoness loadout. She is a canoness without any conversion required. And this is the only model with the Condemer Boltgun. I didn't tell you to "Shut up you got a female miniature" It's just you telling yourself that.

Oh look, another thread sabotaged by Sisters nonsense...

Say the same for pretty much the entire Blood Angel army - why exactly do they need all those separate models again? Just paint them red with BA insignia.

As for the Thousand Sons, the rumored stuff we are getting doesn't seem that great, however it is better than nothing I guess. I sometimes have a few sorcerers near each other, so that stratagem will probably see some use for an attempt at a better smite. The staff is meeewa, but since I can't put any relics in my army right now, I guess it is ok, especially since it is essentially free. I actually like the warlord trait somewhat as that might be really helpful for shutting down other psyker heavy armies like Eldar, Nids, and Grey Knights. Again, right now my Warlord can only take the generic ones, which are not that great, so I could see taking this against certain armies. Also, we did not see a "legion tactic" yet, I am hoping we get the +1 to casting like Grey Knights,

However, what I am really hoping for is that the Chapter Approved says something that allows us to use CSM stratagems, warlord traits, etc. like we can use the new psyker powers. That would really be helpful and if we could use those then I would happily wait till the end of the codex cycle for my codex, assuming that would mean a needed model drop as well (we only have one fast attack right now). But I doubt this will happen.

Wonderwolf wrote:
- Khorne Daemonkin
- Crimson Slaughter
- hopefully another non-Heresy Chaos-variant (Red Corsairs?) to balance things out if/when they do Emperor's Children

I would guess that Khorne Deamonkin will be replaced with "Codex World Eaters"

And that the January Deamons codex will have base non-human deamon armies contained within it. Crimson Slaughter could get their own book, but that's assuming they go the rout of giving Loyalist chapters such as IF and SM their own books.

My suspicion is this.

Loyalist

Leman Russ and His Wolves
Sanguinius Reborn and His Angels
Roboute and His Ultramarines (Base SM Codex)
The Lion and His Angles

Chaos

Magnus and His Thousand Sons
Mortarion and His Death Guard
Angron and His World Eaters
Fulgrim and His Emperors Children

I could see them doing something like Guilliman and the Mechanicus turn off the throne. The Emperor dies, but reveals that he will be reborn. The Sanginor is a part of Sanguinius soul, and together the fragmented emperor and the Sanginor will from a new "Emperor Ascendant" Less powerful than the previous Emperor, and not entirely the same being, but still more powerful than a mere Primarch. This being will lead the Imperium into a new age.

This way, you get Sanguinus back "kind of" and you don't have to step out of established lore too much to do it.

 Togusa wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
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I could see them doing something like Guilliman and the Mechanicus turn off the throne. The Emperor dies, but reveals that he will be reborn. The Sanginor is a part of Sanguinius soul, and together the fragmented emperor and the Sanginor will from a new "Emperor Ascendant" Less powerful than the previous Emperor, and not entirely the same being, but still more powerful than a mere Primarch. This being will lead the Imperium into a new age.

This way, you get Sanguinus back "kind of" and you don't have to step out of established lore too much to do it.

Except you step out of all of the lore by having them do some dragonball fusion crap. Emp dies he just comes back, not weaker or stronger, just as he was. So no reason to have sang be a part of that

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Oh look, another thread sabotaged by Sisters nonsense...

How nice. Say you want plastic models and say nothing about anyone else not deserving new models and still get accused of ruining a tread. I know we Sisters players can't win, but really?

Any actual rumours left in here? Or just wish-listing debating?

 alextroy wrote:
And Canoness Viridian is a Webstore Exclusive Resin model. Not a plastic model. We can only pray the fact this initially limited edition model is still available means GW will actually someday put out plastic sisters.

They're coming. I do not believe GW would have made the comment in last years Magnus video and not have an intention of delivering on it. They're extremely busy with the new edition and the turn around of the company atm.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's quite the overreaction to a Fakeit rumor.

I was bored at work had nothing else to do.


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 Lance845 wrote:
4/36 chance, with reasonable simplified math, is a 1/9 chance. Calling it 4/36 to make it seem worse than it is is like calling it a 12/108 chance. "96 out of 108 times it will fail!" Also... 8 out of 9. Not the worst.

How many Tson units in a list can cast powers? How many powers do you think your generally casting a turn? A game?

Take a stats class and they will explain to you why you dont say 4/36 is the same as 1/9. Mostly because it isn't.

What? They are literally the same.

No they aren't the probablity of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 1 in 9 is different then the probably of having 1 success out of 10 iterations which have a success rate of 4 in 36.

No, they are not.

When I roll a 6 sided die the chance of me rolling a 6 is 4 in 24. or... you know... 1 in 6. It's the exact same probability. It's a basic tenant of all math you learn in elementary school called simplifying your math.

 Togusa wrote:


They're coming. I do not believe GW would have made the comment in last years Magnus video and not have an intention of delivering on it. They're extremely busy with the new edition and the turn around of the company atm.

Pretty sure that was a joke/preview of Celestine and her girls, who were released 6-8 weeks after Magnus.

GW has a pretty long development time, but actual plastic sprues are a very final, last part of that. A good part of 'Eavy Metal minis on box art, in the White Dwarf, even in the Codex (if it's new releases) etc.. are actually resin masters.

Chopstick wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:


Canoness Veridyan also has no rules, and unless I'm wrong is already no longer available?

Took me 5 second to type in the name on the webstore to answer that question
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan

Greyfax is an inquisitor. It doesn't matter what she used to be, it's kind of hilarious that you're going for the "Shut up, you got a lady miniature!" route here.

What I meant is you can literally use Greyfax as a canoness, she have the SOB armor, she have the SOB hair, she have the correct Canoness loadout. She is a canoness without any conversion required. And this is the only model with the Condemer Boltgun. I didn't tell you to "Shut up you got a female miniature" It's just you telling yourself that.

I could make a better complain about Eldar receive 0 new model and those from Gathering Storm do not fit to replace anything in an CWE/DE army, the aesthetic and armor do not match the army, the loadout is awful, the base of Yvraine is too big,... But I didn't. But I would be happy if GW make a not-Eldar character but with everything match an CWE/DE character, you know, like Greyfax.

Yeah if only GW had made a character with the correct armor and weapon design to match existing DE and CWE models

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Gvy4Ql6halQ/WKCx-mZmRlI/AAAAAAAAOe4/T1J82tZ2RWYgF_BO55EJTXTk6zlULO8eQCLcB/s640/Visarch-Sword-of-Ynnead.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/4b/Dark_Eldar_Archon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141003235114

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/2/2d/Autarch_pic.jpg/228px-Autarch_pic.jpg

I mean.... I know what I use as my Archon...

What do you mean they gonna list Aetaos'Rao'Keres around 1400 points? I have just barely finished painting him and at 700 He already weights heavily on my army and it feels his fair price is around 550-600 points. His wounds count barely justifies his points superiority over Magnus, who is reliable as AK-47.

 xeen wrote:
As for the Thousand Sons, the rumored stuff we are getting doesn't seem that great, however it is better than nothing I guess. I sometimes have a few sorcerers near each other, so that stratagem will probably see some use for an attempt at a better smite. The staff is meeewa, but since I can't put any relics in my army right now, I guess it is ok, especially since it is essentially free. I actually like the warlord trait somewhat as that might be really helpful for shutting down other psyker heavy armies like Eldar, Nids, and Grey Knights. Again, right now my Warlord can only take the generic ones, which are not that great, so I could see taking this against certain armies. Also, we did not see a "legion tactic" yet, I am hoping we get the +1 to casting like Grey Knights,

However, what I am really hoping for is that the Chapter Approved says something that allows us to use CSM stratagems, warlord traits, etc. like we can use the new psyker powers. That would really be helpful and if we could use those then I would happily wait till the end of the codex cycle for my codex, assuming that would mean a needed model drop as well (we only have one fast attack right now). But I doubt this will happen.

I kinda suspect our Legion Trait won't have anything to do with psychic powers, actually. I assume this because it'll have to apply to our infantry and helbrutes, which (unlike Grey Knights where literally every model can cast at least smite) largely includes units that don't have any psychic powers.

Personally I just hope they don't forget to include freaking cavalry.

 Arachnofiend wrote:


Personally I just hope they don't forget to include freaking cavalry.

Somebody needs to reach out to GW and make them do an errata for Rough Riders and Chaos Steed HQ's so that they aren't left out of any benefits.

 Ratius wrote:
Any actual rumours left in here? Or just wish-listing debating?

Well it was wishlisting at best from post 1 anyway

the_scotsman wrote:


Yeah if only GW had made a character with the correct armor and weapon design to match existing DE and CWE models

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Gvy4Ql6halQ/WKCx-mZmRlI/AAAAAAAAOe4/T1J82tZ2RWYgF_BO55EJTXTk6zlULO8eQCLcB/s640/Visarch-Sword-of-Ynnead.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/4b/Dark_Eldar_Archon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141003235114

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/2/2d/Autarch_pic.jpg/228px-Autarch_pic.jpg

I mean.... I know what I use as my Archon...

He had lot of uniqueness that prevent him from being substitute as other "Generic character" in a CWE or DE. He just kinda stuck in between.

-Straight PSword and Forceshield, Spiritstone armor is from CWE .

-Trophy rack on armor, pointy helmet is a DE design.

-Hanging Spiritstones on rack and cloak is straight up disturbing for CWE, You can say it is a DE/Harllie thing but it's in reality is unique to the Ynnari.

And the most important thing : The Visarch loadout from the box is straight up illegal in any codex, index for Archon, Autarch, and he had no gun. Ehh, I'd prefer something that save me of that trouble.