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 oni wrote:
Sigh... Cawl does not need to go up in points.

They're certainly also reducing points on other AdMech stuff, so you'll probably still net negative. Just makes Cawl (and Mars) less of an non-choice.

Saying that it's a plague marine going viral - appropriately.

Note that the rumours say plague marines are going down from 19 to 17 ppm.

 kronk wrote:

Dionysodorus wrote:
They also have this picture:

The left side are the three Imperium heroes going up in price. On the right, there's a Deathjester and two other things I don't recognize.

Top right is a chaos lord, i believe.

I've been corrected that it's a plague marine.

Bottom is a Morkanaught.

Top right is a plague marine. The one on the top left:

This all but confirms the Faeit rumours on points changes. However it's much more extensive than we'd heard. Forgeworld units and also stuff that's only in indexes are having their costs changed - not only armies with codexes.

 Galas wrote:


Top right is a plague marine. The one on the top left:

Spoiler:

Agreed. I had already corrected my post.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Liking the leaks so far. Looking forward to some new goodies for the Harlequins. Alternatively, not looking forward to the inevitable points increase for the Malanthrope. It looks like nothing is safe.

That would be dumb, you're paying 90 pts for -1 to Hit and nothing more

 kronk wrote:

 Galas wrote:


Top right is a plague marine. The one on the top left:

Spoiler:

Agreed. I had already corrected my post.

Yeah, sorry, I saw the 6 posts pointing it out after I posted mine

 xttz wrote:

Audustum wrote:

That is not true as I read the rule. I believe it says the character has to be closest, not closest visible. So they might tweak that.

My rulebook says:

" A CHARACTER can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting. "

Right, to target a character the character has to be closest and visible.

If I have a closer model that is not visible, however, then the character cannot be targeted because it is not the closest.

I also cannot Target the thing closer to me that the character, however, because it is not in line of sight. Plus I cannot shoot it either.

So yeah, I can see why GW might change this.

It is a Plaque Marine as they are mentioning in the article.

Audustum wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Audustum wrote:

That is not true as I read the rule. I believe it says the character has to be closest, not closest visible. So they might tweak that.

My rulebook says:

" A CHARACTER can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting. "

Right, to target a character the character has to be closest and visible.

If I have a closer model that is not visible, however, then the character cannot be targeted because it is not the closest.

I also cannot Target the thing closer to me that the character, however, because it is not in line of sight. Plus I cannot shoot it either.

So yeah, I can see why GW might change this.

You've inserted an "and" that isn't in the text. It's "closest visible unit", not "closest unit and visible".

Dionysodorus wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Audustum wrote:

That is not true as I read the rule. I believe it says the character has to be closest, not closest visible. So they might tweak that.

My rulebook says:

" A CHARACTER can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting. "

Right, to target a character the character has to be closest and visible.

If I have a closer model that is not visible, however, then the character cannot be targeted because it is not the closest.

I also cannot Target the thing closer to me that the character, however, because it is not in line of sight. Plus I cannot shoot it either.

So yeah, I can see why GW might change this.

You've inserted an "and" that isn't in the text. It's "closest visible unit", not "closest unit and visible".

I'm not inserting anything, that's two ways of saying the exact same thing. This is also how they played the rule at Nova. I'm not saying it's a good rule, I'm saying yeah I can see why GW might reword it.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
It is a Plaque Marine as they are mentioning in the article.

I feel like they should have posters of plaque marines in dental offices.

(Don't mean to poke too much fun, as your flag says you're german, and such English is probably a second language, and that could easily be a typo. But I still found it funny).

I wouldn't be surprised to see a tweak to stop characters hiding behind other characters (such as Culexus assassins). A couple of people have run all-character armies lately to exploit this and it's a bit silly.

I think the character targeting rule being changed is that other characters doesn't count as blocking other characters so no more culexus assassin tanking cheese.

 LunarSol wrote:
It sounds like their heart is in the right place. I'm not convinced they'll get it right, but at least it's clear they're listening and trying to adapt.

Agreed - perhaps the biggest and most welcome change in 8th ed.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Liking the leaks so far. Looking forward to some new goodies for the Harlequins. Alternatively, not looking forward to the inevitable points increase for the Malanthrope. It looks like nothing is safe.

That would be dumb, you're paying 90 pts for -1 to Hit and nothing more

90pts for an untargetable character (thast T5 with 9 wounds) that provides synapse and -1 buble that always works on everything, and should it kill something in combat (possible since it dishes out mortal wounds) it then gives the whole army re-roll 1's. I'd be happy to pay 120pts for a Malenthrope but wouldn't tkae more than 1 at that cost, at 90pts they're just too easy to spam.

Audustum wrote:

Dionysodorus wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Audustum wrote:

That is not true as I read the rule. I believe it says the character has to be closest, not closest visible. So they might tweak that.

My rulebook says:

" A CHARACTER can only be chosen as a target in the Shooting phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting. "

Right, to target a character the character has to be closest and visible.

If I have a closer model that is not visible, however, then the character cannot be targeted because it is not the closest.

I also cannot Target the thing closer to me that the character, however, because it is not in line of sight. Plus I cannot shoot it either.

So yeah, I can see why GW might change this.

You've inserted an "and" that isn't in the text. It's "closest visible unit", not "closest unit and visible".

I'm not inserting anything, that's two ways of saying the exact same thing. This is also how they played the rule at Nova. I'm not saying it's a good rule, I'm saying yeah I can see why GW might reword it.

I personally thought that GW released an FAQ or statement somewhere about it saying that even if the closet unit isn't visible, you still can't target the character... Can't find it atm though so might have been a "dodgey" facebook post...

As for Malefic Lords going up to 80 points... Had to stop in shock and laugh. 30 points was dumb, yes, but i'd have expected them to go to a max of 60 points (doubling up). It's a massive hit for Chaos armies now they will be 80 points. I was more expecting maybe 45-50 to keep it in line roughly with Primaris Psykers and the new Spiritseer.

Very excited to see the other FW point changes.

 Imateria wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Liking the leaks so far. Looking forward to some new goodies for the Harlequins. Alternatively, not looking forward to the inevitable points increase for the Malanthrope. It looks like nothing is safe.

That would be dumb, you're paying 90 pts for -1 to Hit and nothing more

90pts for an untargetable character (thast T5 with 9 wounds) that provides synapse and -1 buble that always works on everything, and should it kill something in combat (possible since it dishes out mortal wounds) it then gives the whole army re-roll 1's. I'd be happy to pay 120pts for a Malenthrope but wouldn't tkae more than 1 at that cost, at 90pts they're just too easy to spam.

Yeah not looking forward to the increase, but I think it's inevitable. If it doesn't happen I will be happy though. Compare to 3 Venomthropes for 90 pts. The Malanthrope is just way better.

 Imateria wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Liking the leaks so far. Looking forward to some new goodies for the Harlequins. Alternatively, not looking forward to the inevitable points increase for the Malanthrope. It looks like nothing is safe.

That would be dumb, you're paying 90 pts for -1 to Hit and nothing more

90pts for an untargetable character (thast T5 with 9 wounds) that provides synapse and -1 buble that always works on everything, and should it kill something in combat (possible since it dishes out mortal wounds) it then gives the whole army re-roll 1's. I'd be happy to pay 120pts for a Malenthrope but wouldn't tkae more than 1 at that cost, at 90pts they're just too easy to spam.

It will NEVER ever kill anything in combat considering how fragile and slow he is. Also keep in mind that for 70 pt you get a Neurothrope with a 3++ that rerolls Psychic Tests of 1, gains 1 Wound per Psychic Phase if you kill something with Smite, casts 2 Psychic Power (mostly double Smite), provides Synapse and Shadow in the Warp and is untargetable as well.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Liking the leaks so far. Looking forward to some new goodies for the Harlequins. Alternatively, not looking forward to the inevitable points increase for the Malanthrope. It looks like nothing is safe.

That would be dumb, you're paying 90 pts for -1 to Hit and nothing more

90pts for an untargetable character (thast T5 with 9 wounds) that provides synapse and -1 buble that always works on everything, and should it kill something in combat (possible since it dishes out mortal wounds) it then gives the whole army re-roll 1's. I'd be happy to pay 120pts for a Malenthrope but wouldn't tkae more than 1 at that cost, at 90pts they're just too easy to spam.

It will NEVER ever kill anything in combat considering how fragile and slow he is. Also keep in mind that for 70 pt you get a Neurothrope with a 3++ that rerolls Psychic Tests of 1, gains 1 Wound per Psychic Phase if you kill something with Smite, casts 2 Psychic Power (mostly double Smite), provides Synapse and Shadow in the Warp and is untargetable as well.

So what if the Malanthrope will never kill anything?

The point of Malanthropes, like Officers for Guard, is to be a buffing presence.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Liking the leaks so far. Looking forward to some new goodies for the Harlequins. Alternatively, not looking forward to the inevitable points increase for the Malanthrope. It looks like nothing is safe.

That would be dumb, you're paying 90 pts for -1 to Hit and nothing more

90pts for an untargetable character (thast T5 with 9 wounds) that provides synapse and -1 buble that always works on everything, and should it kill something in combat (possible since it dishes out mortal wounds) it then gives the whole army re-roll 1's. I'd be happy to pay 120pts for a Malenthrope but wouldn't tkae more than 1 at that cost, at 90pts they're just too easy to spam.

It will NEVER ever kill anything in combat considering how fragile and slow he is. Also keep in mind that for 70 pt you get a Neurothrope with a 3++ that rerolls Psychic Tests of 1, gains 1 Wound per Psychic Phase if you kill something with Smite, casts 2 Psychic Power (mostly double Smite), provides Synapse and Shadow in the Warp and is untargetable as well.

And yet I've seen it happen.

Also the Malanthrope doesn't have to kill anything, it just has to be there when something dies in order for its army-wide buff to go off. This is often a pretty big deal -- the Malanthrope is already making things near it very resistant to shooting, so you want to tie them up in CC, but then you're creating opportunities for the Tyranid player to get re-rolls on everything.

 Colpicklejar wrote:

pismakron wrote:
That Thousand Sons psychich power looks extremely good, honestly. I hope the rubrics get a bit cheaper, also.

Not to rain on your parade, but how is a psychic power that is harder to cast than smite and does less damage than smite good?

unrestricted targeting. Higher potential. i.e. character sniping

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
yes but are you really surprised that GW gave Sororitas crappy stratagems that had nothing to do with bolters, meltas, or flamers at all?
Edit: its just rumors at this point

Considering this is a tiny stop gap it isn't surprising at all.

Do you mean stopgap until 9th edition or do you know something that we don't know?

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/22/get-ready-for-chapter-approved-matched-play-updates-nov-22gw-homepage-post-3/

Matched Play Updates

SoB getting nerfed by increased cost of the only viable HQ. Great!

KurtAngle2 wrote:


It will NEVER ever kill anything in combat considering how fragile and slow he is. Also keep in mind that for 70 pt you get a Neurothrope with a 3++ that rerolls Psychic Tests of 1, gains 1 Wound per Psychic Phase if you kill something with Smite, casts 2 Psychic Power (mostly double Smite), provides Synapse and Shadow in the Warp and is untargetable as well.

You can cast smite once per caster. You can't double up on a caster. e.g. Magnus can't smite 3 times.

Celestine is very good - maybe there are some other pts drops for Sisters like the marines are getting

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

SoB getting nerfed by increased cost of the only viable HQ. Great!

Assuming they receive no other benefits and ignoring that she was practically only ever used in soup. Great!

Yeesh! I'm a Sisters player and I'll at least wait to see all the points changes before wailing. If we get enough breaks elsewhere, it could be a net gain.

Hell, they could increase Celestine to 200 Points but drop the Geminae to 25 each for no net gain if you bring both of them while needing the lone Saint and Saint + one at the same time.

 jhnbrg wrote:
I cant see how "dakka, dakka, dakka" will ever be worth spending a CP on, it might give one extra shot or two on a full loota squad but otherwise?

It would have been better if for spending the point each model in the unit would have had one more shot, or if it let a unit fire a second time.

 doctortom wrote:

 jhnbrg wrote:
I cant see how "dakka, dakka, dakka" will ever be worth spending a CP on, it might give one extra shot or two on a full loota squad but otherwise?

It would have been better if for spending the point each model in the unit would have had one more shot, or if it let a unit fire a second time.

Which would be bonkers for tank bustas or flash gitz.