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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/02 05:43:32
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot
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JohnnyHell wrote:Simply put, plastic is allegedly over capacity and resin is made to order with its own workforce.
It would make more financial sense to leverage resin production to increase revenues at a time of plastic capacity issues.
So, if we're looking at making money (greed is splitting the Necro rulebook into bits over a year) then selling more resin would be better right now. So why nerf units they want to sell?
All I'm saying is people are projecting what they want to see and drawing 'conclusions' that support their view of GW. I'm no white knight, I'm pissed they're gouging away on the Necromunda rules. Equally, I'm not an armchair expert who could miraculously write perfect balance if ONLY he was allowed into Nottingham, and I'm not ascribing incompetence or malice.
Maybe, just maybe, it's their best shot in the time they had before print with the info they had? I dunno. Maybe it's just the DakkaDakka NegaChamber in effect...
Plastic has a larger start up cost but once the molds are made its pennies on the dollar to make. Lets take a baneblade, I know those molds are a little more expensive then normal because they use slide cores on them for the gun barrels. They are milled from a piece of steel or aluminum ( guessing here) alloy. Before they use to have to make a 3-up model and use a pantograph machine to cut a negative onto the metal. Now before GW use to have to out souce all of this ( usually Renedra) but for atleast the last decade this is done all in house cutting down on costs drastically. It's all done on puters now a day. I think they also use 3D printers for rapid prototyping for some models now.
With resin it's a lot more labour intensive. Making the model. Making the Master Molds. Then they make 2-3 more molds, then from those they make the production molds. Resin is a lot more involved then HIPS once the molds are cut.
I have no interest in Necromunda other then ' Are they going to make Arbites and Spires again? If so when?'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/02 06:46:42
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Necromunda? I thought it was the Khorne cultists vs the Slaanesh cultists starter kit!
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warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 00:54:05
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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Did I see someone mention that power swords have gone up to 8pts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 00:58:27
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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They haven't. Force Swords went down to 8 pts.
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 01:21:40
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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Aaah okay. I was gunna say, 8pt power swords would’ve sucked. Thanks for clearing that up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 01:34:55
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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The force weapon reduction is my personal favorite change in the book. Most of the units that use force weapons aren't particularly good with them, and as a Thousand Sons player it felt like a serious tax to take one in each Rubric squad. Much less of a burden now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/05 17:37:49
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Especially for whoever has staves modeled.
They are still not as good as swords, but at least don't cost more.
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can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/05 21:28:50
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Regular Dakkanaut
Cividale del Friuli (UD) Italy
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Silly question but....
Do they update the pdf codex that you buy on the online store?
Or they are just hopeless and you need to go back and forth among the various faqs, chapter approved and stuff?
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Professional armourer, artist, blacksmith.
http://www.magisterarmorum.com
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/05 21:54:47
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Fixture of Dakka
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Vintersorg wrote:Silly question but....
Do they update the pdf codex that you buy on the online store?
Or they are just hopeless and you need to go back and forth among the various faqs, chapter approved and stuff?
I can't say for sure, but I believe the case is you need to go back and forth among the various FAQs. Pretty sad but I am hoping I am wrong, so I can start buying digital again. No use buying digital since the same price as paper and them not updating the digital means there is no use really getting it anymore for me at least.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/05 23:26:01
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Terrifying Doombull
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Vintersorg wrote:Silly question but....
Do they update the pdf codex that you buy on the online store?
Or they are just hopeless and you need to go back and forth among the various faqs, chapter approved and stuff?
The 6th/7th digital books did integrate points and errata. (At least the iBooks version).
Whether the CA points updates will get integrated into the various Codex books... it would be interesting to know.
Codex SM is on version 1.1, but the web page doesn't give a date for the update.
has anyone with a digital version noticed changes?
Davor wrote:
I can't say for sure, but I believe the case is you need to go back and forth among the various FAQs. Pretty sad but I am hoping I am wrong, so I can start buying digital again. No use buying digital since the same price as paper and them not updating the digital means there is no use really getting it anymore for me at least.
I actually found the format clunky for referencing material. With the 8th edition approach, it seems even worse, as you can't exactly stick fingers and sticky notes in the 4-5 pages you need at the same time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/05 23:26:50
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Tzeentch's Fan Girl
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I could be wrong, but since the book is out now, wouldn't this be a good time to (finally) close this thread?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/06 01:15:41
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Fixture of Dakka
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Manfred von Drakken wrote:I could be wrong, but since the book is out now, wouldn't this be a good time to (finally) close this thread?
Book is out now? I thought it came out this Saturday. If I am mistaken, I wonder how come my FLGS didn't inform me my order is in, unless he didn't get the order in and got it late again.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/06 01:20:22
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Dakka Veteran
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Davor wrote: Manfred von Drakken wrote:I could be wrong, but since the book is out now, wouldn't this be a good time to (finally) close this thread?
Book is out now? I thought it came out this Saturday. If I am mistaken, I wonder how come my FLGS didn't inform me my order is in, unless he didn't get the order in and got it late again.
It's out, my late as sin pre-order was available yesterday at my local store.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/06 01:29:08
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Fixture of Dakka
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YeOldSaltPotato wrote:Davor wrote: Manfred von Drakken wrote:I could be wrong, but since the book is out now, wouldn't this be a good time to (finally) close this thread?
Book is out now? I thought it came out this Saturday. If I am mistaken, I wonder how come my FLGS didn't inform me my order is in, unless he didn't get the order in and got it late again.
It's out, my late as sin pre-order was available yesterday at my local store.
Thank you, will call my FLGS tomorrow and see if he got it in and forgot to notify me.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/06 17:50:04
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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I have my CA, the store got it mid-week.
The reason I like paper codexes is they are Sooooo easy to update. I scratch out the old number and write in the new one. Done. No waiting fow GW, no worries that the update may have bugs or errors.
EZPZ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/06 22:49:13
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Gargantuan Gargant
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The rules update for any particular army, basically fit on one page. I'm going to just scan the page, print it out, and shove the printout in the index/codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/06 22:56:56
Subject: Rumored point changes in Chapter approved 2017
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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JimOnMars wrote:I have my CA, the store got it mid-week.
The reason I like paper codexes is they are Sooooo easy to update. I scratch out the old number and write in the new one. Done. No waiting fow GW, no worries that the update may have bugs or errors.
EZPZ.
I am putting point changes on sticky notes and putting them on the pages with changes. I don't like writing in books. Especially if GW goes ahead and changes the points again.
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K 2500 pts |
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