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Cephalobeard wrote: I will continue to pray for Valdor as a HQ until the day I die.
In general I'm excited to see more models, especially Dreads.
I doubt Valdor will ever be usable for 40k, but with the Horus Heresy/Necromunda Weekender at the beginning of February I see a good chance to finally get that Valdor model from FW.
It coincides well with the GW Custodes release anticipated at the same time.
Crimson wrote: Weren't there FW supposed to do a Valdor model?
What happened to it? The preview looked really nice.
the model will come out according to the guy who posted his video about the Open Day on this board ... FW did say the model is nearly finished but not when the release will happen
This model will take bling bling to another level ....
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For whatever it is worth, provided that a specific projected release date hasn’t been announced/rumored by anyone yet, Custodes appear to have a preorder date of LVO weekend and release date for first week in February for a February release.
I know this is a joke, but if the Gnarlmaws are any indication I'd be 100% down with armies getting Scenery kits. The rules on them are fun, powerful, and makes for a great addition to a hobby display.
I spent some (rather a lot) of time staring at the images we have so far, as well as looking at existing armies to try and eke out some expectations of what to expect from GW in terms of what the Custodes will be bringing to the game with their new book. This is complete speculation as I don't have their codex, but I feel most of this can have some kind of basis in fact by looking at what GW has done with other armies (particularly Imperium ones).
General Expect a Deep Strike Strategem. It's in our fluff, and it's something we've seen in other books. This will be our non-Terminator armor method of dropping models on the table.
With two sub orders of Custodes mentioned (one who handles things like relics and the other more clandestine missions (to possibly include assassinations of key threats)) I'd expect to seem some new rules breaking up how the Custodes play, with color coding in terms of armour for each ruleset. Gold will likely remain the basic default for those who like the traditional look.
Psychic defense will likely remain the realm of a relic and/or strategem. Lorewise the Custodes work with the Sisters of Silence to combat the effects of the Warp, so I don't see any major changes here.
Relics will likely range from a couple of weapon swaps (money on one of them being a power knife just to choose the most underwhelming option you can give a model), to a set of armour, to an aura bubble increase and a special Vexilla.
HQs We all know we're getting a named character from GW, and eventually another from FW, but I feel that we should be seeing at least two more HQ choices: Shield-Captains, both in regular, and in Terminator armour. This allows our boxes to serve double purpose: basic units as well as HQs/elites.
Part of my belief for this is the reduction of the units from 5 models to 3 models minimum. This means a Custodian Guard Box could build a unit and an HQ to get people started, or build a full sized unit of 5 out of a box.
This would also bring our HQ count from 0 up to 4 (two of which could be run as those alternate Custodian orders that we learned about from the Studio Open information), with three of them being available upon release.
Definitely expect some kind of aura (likely tied to re-rolls).
Elites Contemptor Dreads aren't likely going anywhere, nor are they likely seeing any wargear options beyond what we currently see until FW releases their rules. Likely the Melta option will remain one of our few ways to crack armour until FW drops its rules as well. Sadly though, I still find the Kheres patter Assault Cannon a better option since with a 2+ to hit those 6 shots are more likely to hit, and have more chances to wound things than a single melta shot will on a given turn, even if you're shooting a tank, just because Melta doesn't get a bonus to it's wounding rolls at half range. Since the melta really only wounds more effectively against T4 or T15+ over the Assault Cannon, the Assaut cannon will likely remain our mainstay on these guys and any heavy tank hunting will remain more the realm of the Land Raider (for now).
For Terminators I expect a pistol weapon profile for the gauntlet weapon while the axe will have the same bolter profile as the spear, but follow the melee profile we see for power axes (+2S, -1 to hit), perhaps with a straight 3 damage to compensate for the odd place S7 sits at (only being better than S6 versus anything T13-14 and being worse than S8 versus T4 and T15). I expect to see +1 Attack/Wound/Leadership over basic Custodian Guards along with Deep Strike as a unit rule with access to Teleport Homers as well. Possibly a 4++ as well (though without being slow since Custodes already have basic Terminator saves without being slowed).
Vexillas I fully expect to follow the trend set by Space Marines, Sisters of Battle by becoming their own unit changing them to be an aura. I'd expect 6 wounds on them if this is the case, but that's a guess. If this doesn't happen then I'm going to guess on them being less restricted in the army and only the inevitable Relic one being the one that gives extra attacks while the basic ones give rerolls to morale.
The axe custodes with the cloth (since no idea on their proper name as of yet) are likely a Veteran unit (considering their ability to bring spears, mix power knives/swords with axes and spears and them showing a Vexilla model with a spear) so I'm expecting +1 base attack and leadership to go with their wargear options. Wargear options seem to be for them to have both spears and swords, or axes.
-Troops-
I don't expect any changes here honestly, beyond perhaps the unit comp changing to replace the Shield-Captain with a generic Custodian and the movement of either the vexilla being a stand alone unit, or perhaps becoming a more generic upgrade (like it only providing re-rolls to Morale and not the bonus attacks).
-Fast Attack-
Jetbikes are definitely the only option we know is coming in plastic right now, and come with two options: a hurricane bolter (likely with Custodes ammo, so -1AP and D2) or missiles (likely S6, Assault 2 to give the unit light anti-tank options and preventing it from being a dedicated anti-tank option since we've heard that Custodes will have anti-horde abilities (likely their weight of attacks and decent shooting combined with their ability to deny saves to models who have weaker saves) but will not be geared up for breaking heavy armor). Otherwise it'll be a stock missile launcher which means movement penalties unless GW gives them a rule about not suffering penalties for moving and shooting (doubtful). Spears will likely see a charge bonus (like mortal wounds for charging) and the unit likely has fly. They likely have 14" movement like Sammael, and enjoy and extra point of toughness for being bikes. I'm guessing 3-6 models a unit for unit size as well.
-Heavy Support-
Godhammer Pattern Land Raider (get your Repulsor conversions ready kids!). Not much to say, but it's unlikely GW is giving the Custodes a Repulsor since they didn't show any images of it, or have any in gold at the event last weekend. Currently the only long range anti-tank option we have available until FW's rules drop and bring us some more (or we take allies). Carries 5 Custodes models, and with reduced unit sizes we should be able to get a Bananastar going with an HQ and a unit of guys. Always throw a Hunter-killer onto these guys just to give your first turn tank busting a little more teeth.
Sadly they probably didn't decide to give the other Land Raider variants to the Custodes, but of you're into Open Play, then building one of those custom jobs from Chapter Approved out of a Repulsor for your army could be fun (Custodes with a hover version of a Terminus Ultra pattern Land Raider for example).
Final Thoughts Custodes may see a points drop with the release, but if they don't it'll likely be at a later date like when the mid-year FAQ drops. I say this because if a unit is too expensive it wont see well and we'll see a base cost drop on the unit just so GW can get the unit to actually sell.
Final Thoughts Hopefully the FW release will follow up pretty quickly, but with how things have been going there so far, who knows exactly when we see the FW updates get released. The FW release will be the thing that really makes or breaks the Custodes ability to have more unique army builds going forward, but with us getting options for every FOC we should at least be able to meet some FOC requirements and bring armies with some CP, though we're definitely going to be seeing less CP than other armies unless there are some bonuses built into the army itself (like with our new character, kind of like how Bjorn gives Space Wolves a CP just for being in the army).
You theoretically could jam a trinket or something under the right pauldron next to the eagle on top of the lighting bolts on top of whatever the embossed crest was before it was obliterated. You know, something to match the cross under the cloth on the left side
And his left temple is pretty bare- has room to take some service studs.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2018/01/12 20:40:37
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
The release definitely needs FW to hopefully work in tandem, imo.
Unless they release another GW vehicle or two, dread, something.
The plastic contemptor is balls and might as well not exist, and land raiders dont make sense next to custodes, standing out like a sore thumb next to their detail.
I'm really hoping they have something like plastic Comtemptor-Galatus and Comtemptor-Achillus Dreadnoughts instead of the boring regular Contemptors but I feel like Dreadnoughts other than the vanilla Contemptor is going to be FW only. Hopefully they get some plastic vehicles as well so they have some kind of ranged anti-armor firepower.
2018/01/12 21:24:11
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
I was thinking of that art image with the "gryphon" in the background. I am 95% sure that it is supposed to be a statue. However, what if it isn't? I doubt that there would be a unit for such a monstrosity, but perhaps an HQ option, or a special character?
If it is indeed a thing (unlikely) it would be a flying custodes thunderwolf. Something with flight, toughness 6, 7 attacks, and strength 8 sounds harsh.
2018/01/12 21:26:15
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
Cephalobeard wrote: The release definitely needs FW to hopefully work in tandem, imo.
Unless they release another GW vehicle or two, dread, something.
The plastic contemptor is balls and might as well not exist, and land raiders dont make sense next to custodes, standing out like a sore thumb next to their detail.
The other problem with the Land Raider is that it doesn't fit the lore of the Custodes. They have grav tanks, so let's give them a tracked one?
the Contemptor is pretty bare bones too and lacks the level of bling a Custodes one should have.
2018/01/12 21:29:40
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
Cephalobeard wrote: Very low chance they lose the Land Raider, as unfortunate as that is, since they packaged it in the Talons box.
Oh I agree, but I still wanted to point out that it was an...odd choice to give them. About the only thing it adds is ranged anti-heavy tank/high toughness models, but there were better methods to add that to the army.
2018/01/12 22:00:55
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
ClockworkZion wrote: Hopefully the FW release will follow up pretty quickly, but with how things have been going there so far, who knows exactly when we see the FW updates get released. The FW release will be the thing that really makes or breaks the Custodes ability to have more unique army builds going forward, but with us getting options for every FOC we should at least be able to meet some FOC requirements and bring armies with some CP, though we're definitely going to be seeing less CP than other armies unless there are some bonuses built into the army itself (like with our new character, kind of like how Bjorn gives Space Wolves a CP just for being in the army).
I think what we've seen with FW is that if they're left on their own, they'll get to it when they get to it. Examples are...well, just pick your favorite because there are many.
However, if their corporate masters tell them to do something, it gets done. The FW indices are an example. Rush jobs, perhaps...but they actually hit their deadline. Hopefully this is the case for the Custodes.
ClockworkZion wrote: Hopefully the FW release will follow up pretty quickly, but with how things have been going there so far, who knows exactly when we see the FW updates get released. The FW release will be the thing that really makes or breaks the Custodes ability to have more unique army builds going forward, but with us getting options for every FOC we should at least be able to meet some FOC requirements and bring armies with some CP, though we're definitely going to be seeing less CP than other armies unless there are some bonuses built into the army itself (like with our new character, kind of like how Bjorn gives Space Wolves a CP just for being in the army).
I think what we've seen with FW is that if they're left on their own, they'll get to it when they get to it. Examples are...well, just pick your favorite because there are many.
However, if their corporate masters tell them to do something, it gets done. The FW indices are an example. Rush jobs, perhaps...but they actually hit their deadline. Hopefully this is the case for the Custodes.
You make a fair point but I'll keep my hopes high while my expectations are low.
2018/01/12 22:11:04
Subject: Re:The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
Some one might have a massive collection of supercars, but have a minivan for everyday use. That's kinda how I see the Custodes LR
While there is always a small chance there is more in the book then was shown in the preview video and at WHW. I don't think the Custodes are going to get anymore non FW models until they have either a main role in a campaign book or another codex.
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2018/01/12 22:37:13
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
I was assuming initial release custodes represented the most basic of their wargear. The basic idea being they were still reluctant to bring out all the big guns after so long holding back, Robby G's orders being the only reasno they'd do even that. Thus they kinda brought out the standard rifle spear and sword and board combo (their "basic" weaponry), the Land Raider their most conventional and subdued tank, and basic dreadnought without the fancy custodes weapons mounted on it.
I figure the codex marks the start of us seeing the serious custodes gear.
2018/01/12 22:41:04
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
I wonder if GW would try to cut corners again by shoehorning in another Marine vehicle. I'd hate to see it, but including most of the Repulser kit with some Custodes upgrade sprue/weapons doesn't exactly sound out of the question.
2018/01/12 22:52:42
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
cuda1179 wrote: I wonder if GW would try to cut corners again by shoehorning in another Marine vehicle. I'd hate to see it, but including most of the Repulser kit with some Custodes upgrade sprue/weapons doesn't exactly sound out of the question.
At least the Repulsor would be relatively on point for Custodes (and it is built for bigger bodies than normal Marines too) over the Land Raider. That said, it doesn't really fit with the hover tanks FW has brought us so far.
2018/01/12 23:03:54
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
Brining land raiders out also makes some sense as they're proably easier to maintain given the space marine chapters all deploy them. the custodes may thus prefer them for "field work" choosing to keep the more exotic stuff with the palace defences on terra where they don't need to worry about supply lines etc
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/01/13 01:48:53
Subject: The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread
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